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So what's the deal with the new "Flask of the North"?

Isn't this the answer to alchemy being helpful in arenas?

reply to Ghastlyone
Yup, the flask lasts forever, sort of like the endless healing pot and the buff lasts for 1 hour

reply to Ghastlyone
One flask to rule them all

reply to Ghastlyone
That's pretty cool then.

I saw the mat requirements, and it said it requires 4 Frost Lotus. I was like "wow"

reply to Ghastlyone
Yes, It's a buff for having this profession. You'll probably end up using a better flask in raid, but that's a nice little bonus to carry around and pretty cheap to make (4 frost lotuses and 1 enchanted vial I think). Make it once and keep it.

Where is the trainer for this potion?
Will be nice to have a static +47SP at all times.

reply to Ghastlyone
Anyone know or have access to the stats offhand?

reply to Ghastlyone
Think its 47 spell power, 60 attack power or 40 strength. I used mine on my mage and it automatically buffed the spell power, not all 3.

Flask of the North
Binds when picked up
Requires Alchemy (400)
Item Level 80
Use: Increases your spell power by 47, attack power by 80, or Strength by 40 for 1.00 hour. Counts as both a Battle and Guardian elixir. Effect persists through death.
"Can be used in arenas. This potent flask is not consumed when used, but is unaffected by Mixology."
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Thanks!

reply to Ghastlyone
so does the game pick a stat for you or can you pick it? don't have any high lvl alchemist toons yet so I haven't looked at it.

Think fish feast

reply to bTU
I think the stat depends on your class, but Im not sure... Strength would be great for a priest, amirite?

reply to Ghastlyone
Ok. So I made one of these a little bit ago and tried it out on my DK. It automatically gave me +40 strength for 1 hour, and the flask itself is never ending.

Here's the shitty part.

You can't stack another +strength elixir, AP elixir, etc. with this Flask of the North =/

If Blizz is trying to buff Alchemy users to bring them inline with Enchanters, JC's, etc. then why not make this Flask stack with others elixirs? Just doesn't make sense.

If an enchanter can have +AP enchants on their rings, "AND" have an elixir on at the same time, then I believe this Flask should stack with other elixirs. Just my 2 cents.

Yeah it's cool, it's a never ending Flask. But it just falls short of what Blizz seemed to try and do.

reply to Ghastlyone
A semi-static buff that you can use while questing/dailies? Nothing awesome, but handy.
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reply to Ghastlyone

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I apologize ahead of time for this wall of text, just want to clear up why this was made and why it does not get the Mixology buff to anyone who may not yet understand.

The idea behind this flask is to basically give alchemists the same bonus as every other profession gets as a passive.
For example, enchanters get Enchant Ring - Assault, and assuming they put it on both rings they get an 80 AP bonus all the time. This flask gives 80 AP and is never consumed so it is the same bonus and you only need to pay for it once. This flask is not affected by Mixology because that would break the balance greatly in the favor of the alchemist ( I am an alchemist for the record :P ) giving a greater advantage to us is the arena.

In raids and such clearly enchanters still have their ring enchants AND can drink flasks while we can't use both at the same time, which is why we have Mixology. Flask of Endless Rage gives 180 AP, and with Mixology in 3.2 the bonus becomes 260 AP. In short Mixology is our passive raid bonus, giving us the same increase in stats as the corresponding equivalent in other professions ( Assuming they have one, for example only jewelcrafting and alchemy have a spirit bonus item ) while allowing us to maintain flexibility. An enchanter can't enchant his rings with haste, and a leather worker doesn't have a fur lining for hit rating, an alchemist on the other hand can drink potions that give any range of these skills AND can mix combos for some interesting choices while retaining the option to change these bonuses at any time ( only downside is elixirs don't persist through death, but they are are quite inexpensive if you also have herbalism ).

Blizzard has been working to balance the primary professions as much as possible, and has come very close for most of them. In fact from my research the only professions that are not in line ( Jewelcrafting and Tailoring ) are actually more powerful when compared to the rest. I did not compare them to engineering however because the bonuses gained from it are of a much more subjective value and almost impossible to quantify directly. ( Also I want to tell all JC to stop complaining about the change in 3.2, gems losing prismatic quality is hardly reason to declare jewelcrafting as completely destroyed, your bonus is actually a little higher then most and is the highest of the fixed stat bonuses XD )

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Enchanting 40 AP Enchant Ring - Assault + 40 AP Enchant Ring - Assault + 180 AP Flask of Endless Rage = 260 AP
Enchanting (Arena): 40 AP Enchant Ring - Assault + 40 AP Enchant Ring - Assault = 80 AP

Blacksmithing: 40 AP Socket Bracer ( Bright Cardinal Ruby ) + 40 AP Socket Gloves ( Bright Cardinal Ruby ) + 180 AP Flask of Endless Rage = 260 AP
Blacksmithing (Arena): 40 AP Socket Bracer ( Bright Cardinal Ruby ) + 40 AP Socket Gloves ( Bright Cardinal Ruby ) = 80 AP

Inscription: 80 AP Master's Inscription of the Axe ( Note: Taking into account Greater Inscription of the Axe ) + 180 AP Flask of Endless Rage = 260 AP
Inscription (Arena): 80 AP Master's Inscription of the Axe = 80 AP

Leatherworking: 80 AP Fur Lining - Attack Power ( Note: Taking into account Enchant Bracers- Greater Assault ) + 180 AP Flask of Endless Rage = 260 AP
Leatherworking (Arena):80 AP Fur Lining - Attack Power = 80 AP

Jewelcrafting: 28 AP Bright Dragon's Eye ( Note: Taking into account Bright Cardinal Ruby ) + 28 AP Bright Dragon's Eye + 28 AP Bright Dragon's Eye +180 AP Flask of Endless Rage = 264
Jewelcrafting (Arena): 28 AP Bright Dragon's Eye + 28 AP Bright Dragon's Eye + 28 AP Bright Dragon's Eye = 84 AP

Tailoring: Equivalent Approx. 133 AP Swordguard Embroidery (Note: 25% proc rate, 45 second ICD) + 180 AP Flask of Endless Rage = Approx. 313 AP
Tailoring (Arena): Equivalent Approx. 133 AP Swordguard Embroidery = Approx. 133 AP

Tailoring Note: actual value may be lower depending on class and cloak enchant ( Example: 22 agility on rogue/shaman/cat druid = 22 AP )

Alchemy: 180 AP Flask of Endless Rage + 80 AP Mixology = 260 AP
Alchemy (Arena) 80 AP Flask of the North = 80 AP

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As you can see, the overall balance from profession only bonuses are actually quite balanced, I also have the numbers from many other stats ( SP, agility, strength, ect ), though it is mostly only the offensive based stats that are factored in on the profession balance, with things such as stamina stacking being more powerful in other professions. It is also important to note that this is just comparing the direct passive bonuses ( alchemy's isn't technically passive ). There are other bonuses to take into account such as the alchemists endless healing and mana potions which are also getting a nice 3.2 buff/nerf.

Endless Healing Potion

Old Value: 1680 - 2160 usable in arena
New Value: 1500 - 2500 not usable in arena

Endless Mana Potion

Old Value: 400 - 600 usable in arena
New Value: 1800 - 3000 not usable in arena

Blizzard has balanced pretty good in my opinion, and I think I am just about at my 7500 character limit for one post >.>

Once again sorry for the wall

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reply to Ghastlyone
To sum up the above:

Mixology is your raid buff, that gives you a stat edge roughly equivalent to what other professions get. This flask was designed solely so that you could choose to have the bonus in situations where you don't usually use flasks (questing) or can't use flasks (arena). If you could stack this WITH mixology, it would be overpowered compared to other profs.

reply to loli
Thanks for that post. That makes things much clearer now regarding this new Flask.

By the way...I do think, quite a bit, when it comes to my Warlock main.

My Alchemy is on my Alt DK, which I don't play as much, and the only thing I've been using this profession for lately is Frostwrym Flasks. And I completely didn't know about this Mixology bonus.