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MADx

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Google's OS

I'm not sure if this has been posted yet, but it seems that Google wants to take on Microsoft in the OS department.

»tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20090708/···g_system


Cudni
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Cabal
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Introducing the Google Chrome OS
quote:
Speed, simplicity and security are the key aspects of Google Chrome OS.
Sounds like a nice change from the status quo.
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SmackWeasel

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said by Cabal See Profile :

quote:
Speed, simplicity and security are the key aspects of Google Chrome OS.
Sounds like a nice change from the status quo.
Security? So Google (Big brother) will protect you? Man that's a line right out of Orwell's 1984. Once Google integrates it's self into your personal life, who's going to protect you from google?

Let me ask you a question pertaining to where you would draw the line; If google offered you free web cams with their spankin new OS, that they would monitor as a free home security service, would you take them up on their offer?
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JohnInSJ
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said by SmackWeasel See Profile :

If google offered you free web cams with their spankin new OS, that they would monitor as a free home security service, would you take them up on their offer?
Can I wrap them in tinfoil first?

Hint... it's just linux. We already trust Linux. And Windows. And our food. And our water. And our air. And, well, *hopefully* you get the idea. If you're on the grid posting to a forum, you're fully jacked into the matrix already.

I personally welcome our new Search Overlords.
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SUMware
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Interesting...

From TechRadar
8 July 2009 -
quote:
10 things to know about Google Chrome OS
What we can glean from the early info


Google has confirmed that it will be making code available to developers later this year and predicts that we will be buying the first Chrome OS powered netbooks by the second half of next year.

"Later this year we will open-source its code, and netbooks running Google Chrome OS will be available for consumers in the second half of 2010," said Sundar Pichai, VP Product Management and Linus Upson, Engineering Director on the Google blog.

"Because we're already talking to partners about the project, and we'll soon be working with the open source community, we wanted to share our vision now so everyone understands what we are trying to achieve."

Google Chrome OS is a first foray from Google into a more powerful operating system, and by 'initially' targeting netbooks it is immediately going to be treading on Windows 7's toes. Microsoft designed Windows 7 to be scaleable – useable on everything from netbooks and high end desktops – and Google not only has the financial clout to compete with the Redmond software giant, it is also likely to gain favour by its cloud approach.

With people increasingly used to having their information and tools online, from webmail to docs, from calendars to chat, Google appears to be asking if we really need an OS that deals with our desktop, and not simply an interface for the web.

Plus, should it prove to be a success, you can guarantee that more powerful computers will begin to look at Chrome OS as a viable alternative to Windows 7. By using the word 'initially', Google is making a statement of serious intent in the OS arena.

"Google Chrome OS will run on both x86 as well as ARM chips and we are working with multiple OEMs to bring a number of netbooks to market next year," says Google.

Compatibility is a big thing for Google, but by using a Linux kernel with a windowing system, and working with powerful partners, Chrome OS will be able to run on most PC platforms.

Security is what many would term a 'hygiene' problem. You expect your computer to be secure and you notice, and notice hard, when it isn't.

"...as we did for the Google Chrome browser, we are going back to the basics and completely redesigning the underlying security architecture of the OS so that users don't have to deal with viruses, malware and security updates. It should just work," says Google.

Google has already appealed to the open source community to get behind the project – which is built on the open Linux kernel.

"We have a lot of work to do, and we're definitely going to need a lot of help from the open source community to accomplish this vision."

By making the browser the central component to the OS, Google is extending an already huge platform - the web - meaning that anyone designing for web standards will be well catered for.

"Speed, simplicity and security are the key aspects of Google Chrome OS," says Google. "We're designing the OS to be fast and lightweight, to start up and get you onto the web in a few seconds."

So what is the functionality that Chrome hopes to bring?

"People want to get to their email instantly, without wasting time waiting for their computers to boot and browsers to start up," says Google.

"They want their computers to always run as fast as when they first bought them. They want their data to be accessible to them wherever they are and not have to worry about losing their computer or forgetting to back up files.

"Even more importantly, they don't want to spend hours configuring their computers to work with every new piece of hardware, or have to worry about constant software updates."

"Google Chrome OS is being created for people who spend most of their time on the web, and is being designed to power computers ranging from small netbooks to full-size desktop systems.

"While there are areas where Google Chrome OS and Android overlap, we believe choice will drive innovation for the benefit of everyone, including Google."

Google making its own Linux based OS will certainly be a major 'competitor' for other flavours of Linux, like Ubuntu, with the powerful company likely to attract a big swathe of developers into the Chrome OS camp.

More importantly will be the reaction of the consumers; netbooks have helped fuel a boost for several Linux flavours – gaining entry into homes that may never have considered an open-source OS, but Chrome OS will, no doubt, capture a large share of that particular market on reputation alone.

Saying that, the open source ethos of Linux will hopefully be retained in the Chrome OS project and that's a good thing for everyone.

It's Linux based, it's open-source; it will almost certainly be free. Of course Google may make money with corporate support, should it become competitive for enterprise.
[some emphasis added]

SUMware
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reply to SmackWeasel
said by SmackWeasel See Profile :

Security? So Google (Big brother) will protect you? Man that's a line right out of Orwell's 1984. Once Google integrates it's self into your personal life, who's going to protect you from google?
Since the OS will be open source thousands (millions?) of eyes will be examining the code. And since it is Linux based the code will be user modifiable. So any code that's seemingly 'undesirable' can be removed or changed. Unlike with MS, where you cannot even view the code and must rely completely on trust of MS.

So, as is now the case with Google's browser 'Chrome', independently modded versions are also available with Google's "monitoring" code completely removed.


SmackWeasel

join:2008-01-02

reply to JohnInSJ
said by JohnInSJ See Profile :

said by SmackWeasel See Profile :

If google offered you free web cams with their spankin new OS, that they would monitor as a free home security service, would you take them up on their offer?
Can I wrap them in tinfoil first?

Hint... it's just linux. We already trust Linux. And Windows. And our food. And our water. And our air. And, well, *hopefully* you get the idea. If you're on the grid posting to a forum, you're fully jacked into the matrix already.

I personally welcome our new Search Overlords.
Lol...I knew I would draw the "tin foil hat" wearer badge. No Bro it's not so much a paranoia issue with me, it's a People's Power issue. I would hate to think we've lost control over not only our search but total computer operations. After all Google has complied with China over search results. What's next? Google limiting the software and hardware we install?

Yea I get what your saying. And I hope that was "dry humor" about our trusted food and water.

Though it may be the Linux kernel, and open source, but might not be fully x86 native licensed and protected.

Not to be impertinent john, but the German's welcomed their Nazi Overlords as well.
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FunnyBones
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reply to JohnInSJ
said by JohnInSJ See Profile :

said by SmackWeasel See Profile :

If google offered you free web cams with their spankin new OS, that they would monitor as a free home security service, would you take them up on their offer?
Can I wrap them in tinfoil first?

Hint... it's just linux. We already trust Linux. And Windows. And our food. And our water. And our air. And, well, *hopefully* you get the idea. If you're on the grid posting to a forum, you're fully jacked into the matrix already.

I personally welcome our new Search Overlords.
You should watch the movie tron because when people are forced into tyranny their will be people who will try to free the system or manipulate it to keep certain areas still free.

Its not that we trust any of it but are forced to drink, eat, use, but then maybe 2012 will be the kill shot that will destroy what we know as cell phones and the internet.

Either way you will see some devine intervention...

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SUMware
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reply to JohnInSJ
said by JohnInSJ See Profile :

it's just linux
No, it's not.
said by SmackWeasel See Profile :

might not be fully x86 native licensed and protected
What? Google Chrome OS will run on both x86 as well as ARM chips (so far).


SmackWeasel

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said by SUMware See Profile :

said by JohnInSJ See Profile :

it's just linux
No, it's not.
said by SmackWeasel See Profile :

might not be fully x86 native licensed and protected
What? Google Chrome OS will run on both x86 as well as ARM chips (so far).
My exact point; it's not fully x86 native, the "juicy" parts might not be conventionally available for your "viewing pleasure". Or in fact trying to crack the code might be a violation of Google's Universal users agreement, banishing you to an Internet gulag of sorts.
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SUMware
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Ummm... you don't know what you are talking about. Nor do you understand open source/Linux licenses.
said by SmackWeasel See Profile :

it's not fully x86 native
Please kindly explain to us what 'fully x86 native' means.

BTW (hint): The generic term x86 refers to the most commercially successful instruction set architecture in the history of personal computing. It derived from the model numbers, ending in "86", of the first few processor generations backward compatible with the original Intel 8086. Since then, many additions and extensions have been added to the x86 instruction set, almost consistently with full backwards compatibility. The architecture has been implemented in processors from Intel, Cyrix, AMD, VIA, and many others.

As the x86 term became common after the introduction of the 80386, it usually implies a binary compatibility with the 32-bit instruction set of the 80386. This may sometimes be emphasized as x86-32 to distinguish it either from the original 16-bit x86-16 or from the newer 64-bit x86-64 (also called x64). Although most x86 processors used in new personal computers and servers have 64-bit capabilities, to avoid compatibility problems with older computers or systems, the term x86-64 is often used to denote 64-bit software, with the term x86 implying only 32-bit.

Today, the x86 architecture is ubiquitous among desktop and notebook computers, as well as a growing majority among servers and workstations. A large amount of software supports the platform, including OSs such as MS-DOS, Windows, Linux, BSD, Solaris, and Mac OS X. The architecture is relatively uncommon in embedded systems and low-cost niches such as home appliances and toys lack any significant x86 presence. Simpler 16-bit x86 chips are more common here, but AMD's Geode and the new Intel Atom are examples of 32- and 64-bit designs used in this segment.


SmackWeasel

join:2008-01-02

said by SUMware See Profile :

Ummm... you don't know what you are talking about. Nor do you understand open source/Linux licenses.
General Public License (GPL), under which the Linux kernel is licensed, is that software is free and can be modified, copied, and redistributed.

Although Google has an explicit right to protect it's own intellectual property, as well as it's own integrated software or code.
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voip_user

join:2006-06-14
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reply to MADx
Hey !!!!!
Yet another Linux Distro

SUMware
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said by SmackWeasel See Profile :

Although Google has an explicit right to protect it's own intellectual property, as well as it's own integrated software or code.
Oh well, some people just don't understand FOSS licensing, even when explained. Believe as you wish.
said by voip_user See Profile :

Hey !!!!! Yet another Linux Distro
No, it's not. As was clearly stated it is a Google Operating System, not a Linux distribution.


Millenniumle

join:2007-11-11
Fredonia, NY

reply to MADx
I think the only way Google could achieve the goals they outline, "no security updates, no software or hardware configuration problems," is to make the netbook into a virtual read-only environment where all dynamics, including drivers for hardware add-ons, are performed in the cloud - Google's cloud.

Maybe I'm reading more into it than there really is? Perhaps Google just wants us to believe that they can create the miracle OS with no exploits. Software and hardware vendors will all make perfectly functioning, exploit free, products for the Google OS?

SUMware
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Your's is but one method. Locking down the core OS is just basic and obvious security. There can be numerous ways to achieve this. It will be interesting to see what Google does.

As far as software, Google has a wide array of self-developed FOSS apps & platforms that they can use, as well as the already existing enormous FOSS software base that they will also have at their disposal.


Millenniumle

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Fredonia, NY
I'm not really sure what to make of it. Is it unrealistic hype, or are they intent on a read-only appliance to the cloud? Remains to be seen, I guess.

SUMware
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Yep, we'll see.

SUMware
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Google Drops A Nuclear Bomb On MS And It's Made of Chrome

From TechCrunch
July 7, 2009 -
quote:
But let’s be clear on what this really is. This is Google dropping the mother of bombs on its chief rival, Microsoft. It even says as much in the first paragraph of its post, “However, the operating systems that browsers run on were designed in an era where there was no web.” Yeah, who do you think they mean by that?

And it’s a genius play. So many people are buying netbooks right now, but are running Windows XP on them. Windows XP is 8 years old. It was built to run on Pentium IIIs and Pentium 4s. Google Chrome OS is built to run on both x86 architecture chips and ARM chips, like the ones increasingly found in netbooks. It is also working with multiple OEMs to get the new OS up and running next year.

Obviously, this Chrome OS will be lightweight and fast just like the browser itself. But also just like the browser, it will be open-sourced. Think Microsoft will be open-sourcing Windows anytime soon?

Chrome OS will be all about the web apps. And no doubt HTML 5 is going to be a huge part of all of this. A lot of people are still wary about running web apps for when their computer isn’t connected to the web. But HTML 5 has the potential to change that, as you’ll be able to work in the browser even when not connected, and upload when you are again.

Google plans to release the open source code for Chrome OS later this year ahead of the launch next year. Don’t be surprised if this code drops around the same time as Windows 7. Can’t wait to hear what Microsoft will have to say about all of this.
[some emphasis added]

BTW - Internet Explorer does not support HTML 5.

From BBC News
8 July 2009 -
quote:
Google to launch operating system

The announcement could dramatically change the market for operating systems, especially for Microsoft, the biggest player with around 90% share.

"This announcement is huge," said Rob Enderle, industry watcher and president of the Enderle Group.

"This is the first time we have had a truly competitive OS on the market in years. This is potentially disruptive and is the first real attempt by anyone to go after Microsoft.

"Google is coming at this fresh and, because it is based on a set of services that reside on the web, it is the first really post-web operating system, designed from the ground up, and reconceived for a web world," Mr Enderle told the BBC.

"One of Google's major goals is to take Microsoft out, to systematically destroy their hold on the market," said Mr Enderle.

"Google wants to eliminate Microsoft and it's a unique battle. The strategy is good. The big question is, will it work?"
From The New York Times
July 8, 2009 -
quote:
Would You Miss Windows With a Google Operating System?

The main advantage of Chrome OS is that it is free. Microsoft’s Windows 7 is reported to cost netbook makers at least $45 per computer. Even if Microsoft is forced to cut the price to the $25 level that it has been charging netbook makers for its ancient Windows XP system, a Chrome netbook may well be in stores for $30 to $50 less than an equivalent Windows machine.
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