 DKSDamn Kidney StonesPremium,ExMod 2002 join:2001-03-22 Owen Sound, ON kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Fire at Peer 1/151 Front St Last Night Apparently a UPS decided to burp last night and caught fire. Power to the 7th and 8th floors went down. Situation is in hand.
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 DKSDamn Kidney StonesPremium,ExMod 2002 join:2001-03-22 Owen Sound, ON kudos:2 | Teksavvy went down. See their forums for more. Would not have affected Bell or Rogers (I don't believe) as they don't use Peer 1. -- Need-based health care not greed-based health care. |
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 zincPremium join:2004-02-17 Kitchener, ON | Bell/Rogers might have lost some routes that went through 151, but they stayed up. A bunch of us were using Rogers (cell/tether) or backup Bell logins. |
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 DKSDamn Kidney StonesPremium,ExMod 2002 join:2001-03-22 Owen Sound, ON kudos:2 | reply to DKS Apparently it was a battery that caught fire. Some sysadmins of other ISP's are saying that the Peer 1 UPS in Suite 802 has smelled like burnt wiring for a couple of years. -- Need-based health care not greed-based health care. |
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 jfmezeiPremium join:2007-01-03 Pointe-Claire, QC kudos:22 Reviews:
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| Does anyone know if any of the automated CO2 or Halon systems got discharged ? Or did they use actual fire extinguishers to focus the gases only to the fire ?
These types of buildings are quite different from a bank data centre for instance because they have multiple tennants and it is much harder to coordinate post event recovery.
In a bank data centre for instance, the bank *should* have a number of staff specially trained by the fire department so that they can re-integrate the building (with firemen) quickly after the event in order to perform certain critical activities (such as triggering shutdowns so production can go to backup centre for systems that don't have remote management ability, recover iomportant data tapes for systems whose disaster recovery consists of taking the laters batch tapes and loading them on the offside place etc etc. |
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 | reply to DKS 151 Front Street is a disaster waiting to happen. With so much critical infrastructure of multiple communications providers concentrated there, its only a matter of time before Canada suffers a wide scale communications outage. |
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 DKSDamn Kidney StonesPremium,ExMod 2002 join:2001-03-22 Owen Sound, ON kudos:2 Reviews:
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| reply to jfmezei said by jfmezei:Does anyone know if any of the automated CO2 or Halon systems got discharged ? Or did they use actual fire extinguishers to focus the gases only to the fire ? See the Peer 1 forum above, but apparently only CO2/dry chemical was used. -- Need-based health care not greed-based health care. |
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 DKSDamn Kidney StonesPremium,ExMod 2002 join:2001-03-22 Owen Sound, ON kudos:2 Reviews:
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to HeadSpinning said by HeadSpinning:151 Front Street is a disaster waiting to happen. With so much critical infrastructure of multiple communications providers concentrated there, its only a matter of time before Canada suffers a wide scale communications outage. Same with 1 Yonge. -- Need-based health care not greed-based health care. |
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 | reply to DKS said by DKS:said by jfmezei:Does anyone know if any of the automated CO2 or Halon systems got discharged ? Or did they use actual fire extinguishers to focus the gases only to the fire ? See the Peer 1 forum above, but apparently only CO2/dry chemical was used. Dry chemical is dangerous for servers. The powder gets sucked in and clogs everything up.
In our new data centre, we use FM-200 gas for all the server areas, and only use dry chemical in the generator room - with interlocks to shut down the generator and combustion air intakes before the system discharges. |
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 jfmezeiPremium join:2007-01-03 Pointe-Claire, QC kudos:22 Reviews:
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| Re: 151 being single point of failure.
If you are Bell, Videotron, Rogers, 151 isn't a single point of failure.
A building that is mission critical as is 151 should have a lot of safety built in.
It is possible to build a fault tolerant building. And within the building, one could ensure that sufficient equipmeent is located at one end while the rest is at the other end on different floors.
Perhaps 151 should have some fireproof divisions within floors. |
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 pstewartPremium,VIP join:2005-10-12 Peterborough, ON kudos:1 | said by jfmezei:Re: 151 being single point of failure. If you are Bell, Videotron, Rogers, 151 isn't a single point of failure. A building that is mission critical as is 151 should have a lot of safety built in. It is possible to build a fault tolerant building. And within the building, one could ensure that sufficient equipmeent is located at one end while the rest is at the other end on different floors. Perhaps 151 should have some fireproof divisions within floors. 151 Front does have fire containment between floors - the building was designed with fault tolerance in mind, but it's up to the occupants whether or not they wish to utilize these options (which most do not). It's not a perfect building by any means though.... but then again, neither is 60 hudson or 25 broadway neither  -- Nexicom High Speed Internet - »www.nexicom.net/ |
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 | The old Molson brewery on Lakeshore was, at one point, going to be turned into a carrier 'hotel'.
BMO got a good deal on the old IBM data center at 401/DVP years ago. That's was a well designed facility in its day. When I used to go there regularly it was quite well protected and had huge backup power generation too.
I imagine the new BMO facility in south Barrie is 1st rate. |
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 | reply to DKS Dear Valued Customer,
As you are aware, over the weekend the 8th floor of PEER 1s Toronto data center located at 151 Front Street experienced a fire with a UPS cabinet that set off a chain of events that resulted in power outages in multiple suites and network outages in others. I have detailed the events below.
PEER 1 is extremely thankful that no one was injured during the fire. The fire itself was contained within a single UPS cabinet and the Toronto fire department was able to extinguish it with the use of dry chemicals. No water was used, which significantly reduced the damage and aided in our ability to restore services to all data centers as quickly as possible.
I was personally involved in PEER 1s response to the situation, and would like to take a moment to apologize to you for the information contained within our first few email alerts regarding the outage. When we were first organizing the team, we received an early report from our on-site staff that all power was out at 151 Front Street. That was not accurate. The fire caused a power outage in PEER 1s suite 802. The local fire department cut power to PEER 1s suite 709 as a preventative and safety measure to contain and extinguish the fire. The network gear providing connectivity for Suite 816 are kept in a cage in Suite 802. As a result, Suite 816 suffered a network outage. Power in the rest of the building was unaffected throughout the incident. There is a fine balance to providing information during a crisis, and we do our best to make sure updates to our customers are, quick, transparent, and accurate. In no way would we try to misrepresent the situation.
PEER 1 manages all of the equipment it provides to customers with safety and performance in mind. The UPS mentioned above has been in service for approximately four years. Its last service inspection was on July 2nd and it was only at 65% load. We do not yet have the root cause, but there was nothing in the units maintenance record to indicate there was potential for a problem. Our service contractor and manufacturer are both involved in the investigation.
As part of the process to restore power quickly, we had to bypass the affected UPS. This means that suite 802 is running without UPS power until we can schedule delivery and replacement. We will expedite the process and keep customers in this suite up-to-date with the latest information on the timeline.
Outage Details: (Timelines represent impact to most clients. Some specific network devices failed due to power loss and restore took longer.) · Suite 802 Power and network outage. Start 23:32PT End 03:10PT · Suite 816 Network outage. Start 23:32PT End 03:10PT · Suite 709 Power and network outage. Start 23:32PT End 00:50PT · Suite 402 Limited network outage (some latency/packet loss issues). Start 23:32PT End 00:50PT · Firewall Clients. Network outage. Start 23:32PT End 03:10PT
Ted Smith SVP, Operations
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 DKSDamn Kidney StonesPremium,ExMod 2002 join:2001-03-22 Owen Sound, ON kudos:2 | Beat me to it. Just saw that letter this morning. |
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 LazManPremium join:2003-03-26 canada | reply to DKS 151 was not built as a carrier hotel; rather it's was built as more traditional office space (initially as a teletype office for the railway) - and has been converted over time.
There are some very good rules in place, regarding fire stopping, cable routing, double-walled pipe for fuel lines, etc - and the building operators are VERY active in ensuring the rules are followed.
Batteries and UPS's have traditionally been a weak spot in network infrastructure... Anyone else remember the Simcoe St "event" back in 98?  |
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 pstewartPremium,VIP join:2005-10-12 Peterborough, ON kudos:1 | Simcoe St.... yeah...
I was at the convention center that day (Comdex) and everyone's Internet, cell phones and even the pay phones just halted. A bit of kaos because everyone starting buzzing about this and at the same time the fire trucks and police cars were going by the front of the center... it set off a bit of a "oh my god, end of the world" for some folks..... -- Nexicom High Speed Internet - »www.nexicom.net/ |
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 DKSDamn Kidney StonesPremium,ExMod 2002 join:2001-03-22 Owen Sound, ON kudos:2 Reviews:
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| reply to LazMan said by LazMan:151 was not built as a carrier hotel; rather it's was built as more traditional office space (initially as a teletype office for the railway) - and has been converted over time. Actually the building was overbuilt to house heavy telegraph and teletype equipment by CNCP Telecommunications in 1954.
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 LazManPremium join:2003-03-26 canada | said by DKS:said by LazMan:151 was not built as a carrier hotel; rather it's was built as more traditional office space (initially as a teletype office for the railway) - and has been converted over time. Actually the building was overbuilt to house heavy telegraph and teletype equipment by CNCP Telecommunications in 1954. » www.151frontstreet.com/151history.html The floor loads the building were designed for, are well short of datacentre/CO standards. Even with the structural work that Trizec and Northam did, there are still serious issues...
Floor loads limited to 450# per rack, battery installs that deflect the slab/floor by a 1/4" or more, a penthouse superstructure that was 300% over design load.
I've worked in the building on and off for 10 years; on many floors, for many companies... Now, that's not to say it's any different then 60 Hud, 111 8th, or 101 Wilshire - every hotel I've worked in, has some "unique" issues...
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 LazManPremium join:2003-03-26 canada | reply to pstewart said by pstewart:Simcoe St.... yeah... it set off a bit of a "oh my god, end of the world" for some folks..... Bell's union allowed thier people into the building for limited amounts of time - Nortel's union had no such issues... So in we went (I was working in the area that day) - we tried to recover as much equipment as possible, with the limited power that was available within the building... To stand in a transport lineup, and watch the lights go out, one rack after another, was the most bizarre sight.
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