FunnyBones
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Re: NSA plans massive, 65MW, $2bn data center in Utah
said by MIRV  :I don't want to alarm you, but the nsa eavesdropping on everything isn't a recent phenomenon. I know but this wasn't my question directed at you. Sure they have been spying for years without warrant and violating our constitutional rights and other various illegal activities and know all about your phone sex calls so can you honestly say your in full support?
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Link Logger
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No calls from anyone yet, but maybe I'll get the chance to design and build some of the software for this center and get another picture of whoever the president is at the time standing in front of our 'big board'.
Now do I care what they have in this data center about me, nope as I was always surprised how much I was able to 'tour' the internet before and not get 'noticed', perhaps they really do a need a bigger better center, but the problem was always two fold, first data collection (and that doesn't necessarily mean gathering it, but gathering valid data which isn't going to screw up the analysis) and second processing what you have. If there ever was a system that was prone to counter intelligence this is it.
Blake
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plute
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Damn imagine the kind of ddos you can pull if you had admin control over all those pc's in this "Supposedly DATA CENTER" |
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MIRV
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Louisville, KY | reply to FunnyBones
Yes. It's a national security apparatus. We (as a nation) need it. It doesn't bother me that they monitor everything. It's just the cost of doing business as a nation state. |
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no_one
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| said by MIRV :Yes. It's a national security apparatus. We (as a nation) need it. It doesn't bother me that they monitor everything. It's just the cost of doing business as a nation state. Just like Santa Claus. Knows when you've been bad or good. |
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FunnyBones
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| said by no_one :said by MIRV :Yes. It's a national security apparatus. We (as a nation) need it. It doesn't bother me that they monitor everything. It's just the cost of doing business as a nation state. Just like Santa Claus. Knows when you've been bad or good. You better watch out
You better not cry
Better not pout
I'm telling you why
Big brother is coming to town
He's making a list
And checking it twice;
Gonna find out Who's naughty and nice
Big brother is coming to town
He sees you when you're sleeping
He knows when you're awake
He knows if you've been home or gone
So be hidden for goodness sake!
O! You better watch out!
You better not cry
Better not pout
I'm telling you why
Big brother is coming to town
Big brother is coming to town
LOL no_one 
We as a nation may need certain security against other governments and terrorist's but I don't agree when comes down to them violating the law MIRV.
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Juggernaut
join:2006-09-05
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said by MIRV :It's just the cost of doing business as a nation state. Does the "cost of doing business" include violating your human and constitutional rights?
If it does, be careful of what you wish for, because in this case, you'll get it. Funny, I don't see a revocation clause in there anywhere.  |
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SUMware
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Bruce Schneier discussed the issue on his site. The following from one of his links:
From The Desert News
July 3, 2009 - quote:
The super-secretive National Security Agency is about to build a huge, $1.9 billion data center at Camp Williams, Utah, to help spy on communications worldwide.
The planned work there is so sensitive and classified that Utah's congressional delegation is declining to talk about it, saying it doesn't want to accidentally step over any lines about what can and cannot be disclosed.
But some interesting details are revealed in unclassified budget-request documents that the NSA sent to Congress.
... the center's mission will be to deliver "responsive, reliable, effective and expert signals-intelligence and information-assurance products and services" to enable "network-warfare operations to gain a decisive information advantage for the nation and our allies under all circumstances."
In other words, it will help with spying on communications.
Next item from the page comments:
Why Salt Lake City?
See this map: »www.neweconomyindex.org/metro/pa···ge5.html
SLC is one of the places with the most internet backbone capacity relative to demand, and functions as a choke-point for internet traffic across the nation.
This seems like an internet project, but not one aimed at defending the nation's internet from without (those international access points are not in SLC), but from within. It might be similar to the now retired FBI Carnivore program.
Posted by: SAP at July 10, 2009 7:20 AM |
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