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Re: NSA plans massive, 65MW, $2bn data center in Utah
Bruce Schneier discussed the issue on his site. The following from one of his links:
From The Desert News
July 3, 2009 - quote:
The super-secretive National Security Agency is about to build a huge, $1.9 billion data center at Camp Williams, Utah, to help spy on communications worldwide.
The planned work there is so sensitive and classified that Utah's congressional delegation is declining to talk about it, saying it doesn't want to accidentally step over any lines about what can and cannot be disclosed.
But some interesting details are revealed in unclassified budget-request documents that the NSA sent to Congress.
... the center's mission will be to deliver "responsive, reliable, effective and expert signals-intelligence and information-assurance products and services" to enable "network-warfare operations to gain a decisive information advantage for the nation and our allies under all circumstances."
In other words, it will help with spying on communications.
Next item from the page comments:
Why Salt Lake City?
See this map: »www.neweconomyindex.org/metro/pa···ge5.html
SLC is one of the places with the most internet backbone capacity relative to demand, and functions as a choke-point for internet traffic across the nation.
This seems like an internet project, but not one aimed at defending the nation's internet from without (those international access points are not in SLC), but from within. It might be similar to the now retired FBI Carnivore program.
Posted by: SAP at July 10, 2009 7:20 AM |
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Juggernaut
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said by MIRV  :It's just the cost of doing business as a nation state. Does the "cost of doing business" include violating your human and constitutional rights?
If it does, be careful of what you wish for, because in this case, you'll get it. Funny, I don't see a revocation clause in there anywhere.  |
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FunnyBones
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said by no_one :said by MIRV :Yes. It's a national security apparatus. We (as a nation) need it. It doesn't bother me that they monitor everything. It's just the cost of doing business as a nation state. Just like Santa Claus. Knows when you've been bad or good. You better watch out
You better not cry
Better not pout
I'm telling you why
Big brother is coming to town
He's making a list
And checking it twice;
Gonna find out Who's naughty and nice
Big brother is coming to town
He sees you when you're sleeping
He knows when you're awake
He knows if you've been home or gone
So be hidden for goodness sake!
O! You better watch out!
You better not cry
Better not pout
I'm telling you why
Big brother is coming to town
Big brother is coming to town
LOL no_one 
We as a nation may need certain security against other governments and terrorist's but I don't agree when comes down to them violating the law MIRV.
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said by MIRV :Yes. It's a national security apparatus. We (as a nation) need it. It doesn't bother me that they monitor everything. It's just the cost of doing business as a nation state. Just like Santa Claus. Knows when you've been bad or good. |
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MIRV
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Louisville, KY | reply to FunnyBones
Yes. It's a national security apparatus. We (as a nation) need it. It doesn't bother me that they monitor everything. It's just the cost of doing business as a nation state. |
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plute
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Damn imagine the kind of ddos you can pull if you had admin control over all those pc's in this "Supposedly DATA CENTER" |
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Link Logger
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No calls from anyone yet, but maybe I'll get the chance to design and build some of the software for this center and get another picture of whoever the president is at the time standing in front of our 'big board'.
Now do I care what they have in this data center about me, nope as I was always surprised how much I was able to 'tour' the internet before and not get 'noticed', perhaps they really do a need a bigger better center, but the problem was always two fold, first data collection (and that doesn't necessarily mean gathering it, but gathering valid data which isn't going to screw up the analysis) and second processing what you have. If there ever was a system that was prone to counter intelligence this is it.
Blake
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FunnyBones
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said by MIRV :I don't want to alarm you, but the nsa eavesdropping on everything isn't a recent phenomenon. I know but this wasn't my question directed at you. Sure they have been spying for years without warrant and violating our constitutional rights and other various illegal activities and know all about your phone sex calls so can you honestly say your in full support?
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Shriyash
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said by Rocky67 : I'm sure we're all regarded as potential threats, even the "go ahead, I have nothing to hide" retards. lol |
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MIRV
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Louisville, KY |  reply to FunnyBones
I don't want to alarm you, but the nsa eavesdropping on everything isn't a recent phenomenon. |
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PolarBear
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said by ztmike :Terrorists are bad! Even if it means taking away Americans rights! After all..Uncle Sam has to protect you from yourself.  said by Benjamin Franklin :
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I'm one of those people you can't take out of context. You have to see the whole me before I begin to make any sense. |
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ztmike
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Michigan City, IN | reply to FunnyBones
This whole thread reminds me of the movie "Eagle Eye" |
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Rocky67
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said by FunnyBones : Would this mean your in full support of government spying on your phone, email etc or just when they use it on real terrorist? The government's definition of a real terrorist gets more broad based with every passing year. Today's model citizen could be tomorrows poster boy for terrorism. I'm sure we're all regarded as potential threats, even the "go ahead, I have nothing to hide" retards.
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FunnyBones
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said by MIRV :It's about damn time. The Ft. Detrick facility is too cramped and exposed. Seems like an ideal site for a secure facility to do what they do. Would this mean your in full support of government spying on your phone, email etc or just when they use it on real terrorist?
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MIRV
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Louisville, KY | reply to FunnyBones
It's about damn time. The Ft. Detrick facility is too cramped and exposed. Seems like an ideal site for a secure facility to do what they do. |
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The Snowman
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As to the present topic.......what completely baffles me is all this Storage business has been happening for no less than twenty years an people did not seem to even notice........how is that possible ?
Which reminds me of an old saying :
" When an Angel asked God where to hide "knowledge" from Mankind.........God replied: "lets put it right under their nose". |
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FunnyBones
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said by mikepd :"tracking system with behavioral monitoring' Is that the NSA or advertising companies, you are talking about?  LOL how about both..
Systems are not the problem but its more the people who run them.
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Good link.
( So just what will be going on inside the NSA’s new San Antonio facility? Bamford describes former NSA Director Mike Hayden’s goals for the data-mining center as knowing “exactly what Americans were doing day by day, hour by hour, and second by second. He wanted to know where they shopped, what they bought, what movies they saw, what books they read, the toll booths they went through, the plane tickets they purchased, the hotels they stayed in… In other words, Total Information Awareness, the same Orwellian concept that John Poindexter had tried to develop while working for the Pentagon’s [Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency].
Don't use a credit card etc, cash is king !
MS and NSA closer than ever !
( Bamford writes about how NSA and Microsoft had both been eyeing San Antonio for years because it has the cheapest electricity in Texas, and the state has its own power grid, making it less vulnerable to power outages on the national grid. He notes that it seemed the NSA wanted assurance Microsoft would be here, too, before making a final commitment, due to the advantages of “having their miners virtually next door to the mother lode of data centers.” The new NSA facility is just a few miles from Microsoft’s data center of the same size. Bamford says that under current law, NSA could gain access to Microsoft’s stored data without even a warrant, but merely a fiber-optic cable.
“What the Microsoft people will have will be just storage of a lot of the email that is being sent. They keep this email — I don’t know why — and there should be some legislation saying how long it should be kept,” said Bamford in a phone interview last week. “The post office doesn’t keep copies of our letters when we mail letters; why should the telecom companies or the internet providers keep copies of our email? It doesn’t make sense to me. But there’s no legislation. So they need a place to store it, and that’s where they’re storing all this stuff.”
(Microsoft did not return a call for comment before press deadline.)
»www.sacurrent.com/news/story.asp?id=69607 |
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mikepd
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"tracking system with behavioral monitoring'
Is that the NSA or advertising companies, you are talking about?
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slajoh01
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I believe that this is the one here, but will be located in San Antonio, TX.
»www.sacurrent.com/news/story.asp?id=69607
This will be their main snooping hub according to this article. |
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