[General] Test your phone carrier. in VOIP Tech Chat http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22653822 en Sat, 28 Nov 2009 20:50:40 EDT Sat, 28 Nov 2009 20:50:40 EDT Re: [General] Test your phone carrier. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22660030 lolwhat : #3 with ATT cell phone.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22660030 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 09:22:21 EDT Re: [General] Test your phone carrier. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22659272 userofdsl : After I dial, my Boston-area Verizon land line plays the word "bye," then a busy tone.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22659272 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:31:22 EDT Re: [General] Test your phone carrier. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22658621 MartyT : I've noticed the same annoying call progress tones on Future Nine that I experienced during the test. Never knew what to make of them. Now I'd like to know how to get rid of them.

Anything I can do on my ATA? It is a PAP2T-NA.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22658621 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:16:01 EDT Re: [General] Test your phone carrier. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22657668 garys_2k : I googled that when I saw the command, it looks like one of the optional flags that asterisk2billing uses for how it handles ringback.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22657668 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:31:07 EDT Re: [General] Test your phone carrier. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22657641 PX Eliezer :
said by nitzan See Profile :

"r" is not on there..
The*e’s no “r” in June o* July eithe*.

But fo* us *egula* people can you indust*y titans explain what you a*e talking about?

This th*ead has become *athe* esote*ic.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22657641 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:26:21 EDT Re: [General] Test your phone carrier. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22657018 nitzan : "r" is not on there..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22657018 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 13:01:12 EDT Re: [General] Test your phone carrier. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22656985 sokhapkin :
said by MartyT See Profile :

#2 with Future Nine.
Wow... Nitzan, remove "r" option from dialcommand_param! Let callers hear real call progress audio!
--
»www.callwithus.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22656985 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 12:46:46 EDT Re: [General] Test your phone carrier. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22656953 MartyT : #2 with Future Nine.

Ok with Vitelity.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22656953 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 12:33:40 EDT Re: [General] Test your phone carrier. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22656509 dJON : #3 on VOIPo
Same with PhonePower]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22656509 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:17:10 EDT Re: [General] Test your phone carrier. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655523 Mango :
said by sdfasltty :

I tried it with callcentric and voip.ms, each using its own ata, and got the repeating request for a pin.
I got it to work with VoIP.ms. However, I had to enter the digits very very slowly. If I entered them at my usual speed I got "Invalid digits."

m.
--
Mango's recommended PAP2T settings: »www.toao.net/25/linksys-pap2t-vo···-review/
Linksys/Cisco dial plan tips and tricks: »www.toao.net/108/cisco-dial-plan···-tricks/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655523 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:50:32 EDT Re: [General] Test your phone carrier. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655308 emoci :
said by garys_2k See Profile :

I suspect that the issue is that some information can be conveyed prior to the start of billing. If there's a way to make calls via the PSTN that don't ever start the billing process then that could be expanded to connecting the actual call without the CLEC even being aware that a connection was started.

Maybe I'm wrong (the above is a guess) but I can see how a RBOC or CLEC would be pretty touchy about how call progress data could be used to spoof PSTN calls.
From what I understand...only DTMF can pass through in response to Early Media...not actual audio...so there is no risk of the CLEC being phased out that way...

However this would be ideal in a situation where:
-You call an access number
-Enter your Pin and the Number you'd like to be called back
-Hang up
-A callback arrives

I kinda like the sound of Dynamic Call Back

Keep in mind that both CWU and Future-Nine can already read out your acct. balance to you as you call the callback number without actually picking up the call ...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655308 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 21:32:07 EDT Re: [General] Test your phone carrier. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655193 garys_2k : I suspect that the issue is that some information can be conveyed prior to the start of billing. If there's a way to make calls via the PSTN that don't ever start the billing process then that could be expanded to connecting the actual call without the CLEC even being aware that a connection was started.

Maybe I'm wrong (the above is a guess) but I can see how a RBOC or CLEC would be pretty touchy about how call progress data could be used to spoof PSTN calls.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655193 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:52:34 EDT Re: [General] Test your phone carrier. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655139 anon :
said by sokhapkin See Profile :

3) - You hear IVR, but "Enter your complete PIN number" prompt repeats again and again. Your phone provider doesn't support DTMF tones during early media stage.
OptimumVoice produced error number 3.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655139 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:43:39 EDT Re: [General] Test your phone carrier. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654500 sokhapkin : I like your domain too :-) Why you're anonymous? Do you have something to hide?
--
»www.callwithus.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654500 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 16:53:26 EDT Re: [General] Test your phone carrier. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654453 anon :
said by sokhapkin See Profile :

I like your domain name too :-)
What about mine? :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654453 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 16:42:24 EDT Re: [General] Test your phone carrier. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654439 sokhapkin : I like your domain name too :-)
--
»www.callwithus.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654439 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 16:37:28 EDT Re: [General] Test your phone carrier. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654374 anon : Well isn't lowering a phone bill sort of questionable? Was this really meant for that or for another purpose. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654374 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 16:26:57 EDT Re: [General] Test your phone carrier. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654303 sokhapkin : Yup, I wonder too - how this test could be considered as a scam? Let me know a potential reason, and I will halt the test immediately.

DoNotParticipate's domain name says a lot...

--
»www.callwithus.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654303 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:55:40 EDT Re: [General] Test your phone carrier. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654247 anon : Can you spell it out how the scam works a little more clearly?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654247 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:36:48 EDT Re: [General] Test your phone carrier. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654026 anon : Guys - please! Stop this very well formatted social engineering SCAM. At the very best - you're going to conduct so called "reverse engineering" which is strictly forbidden by most T&Cs.

Just as a side notice - yes, early media is allowed to be transmitted prior to answer supervision signal from called to calling party, but any opposite side (from calling to called party) signal transmittal and conduction is a VIOLATION of protocols and billing terms.

Anyway, please do NOT participate in this test as it's targeted to collecting the information which may [later on] be used in denial of service attacks or defrauding [of those who allow bi-directional signal conduct without the answer supervision signal ] service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654026 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:21:14 EDT Re: [General] Test your phone carrier. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654050 sokhapkin : I just wanted to provide an example that not all phone carriers are bad :) We have negative examples already, let's see for more...
--
»www.callwithus.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654050 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 14:32:28 EDT Re: [General] Test your phone carrier. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654042 usa2k :
said by sokhapkin See Profile :

T-mobile prepaid (area code 1848) passes the test OK.

You ended your post with a positive result example :hmm:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654042 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 14:29:52 EDT Re: [General] Test your phone carrier. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653915 sokhapkin : Please post NEGATIVE results only.
--
»www.callwithus.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653915 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:47:21 EDT Re: [General] Test your phone carrier. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653903 anon : I tried it with callcentric and voip.ms, each using its own ata, and got the repeating request for a pin.

Then I tried it using the landline, calling onesuite's calling card number, and got the same result.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653903 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:46:39 EDT Re: [General] Test your phone carrier. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653911 Good Ol Dan : VoIPo works fine...

Dan]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653911 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:46:21 EDT [General] Test your phone carrier. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653822 sokhapkin : Some phone services recently employ "early media" (or call progress audio) method to minimize phone bill - IVR is played WITHOUT answering the call, as call progress audio. DTMF from the caller works during call progress stage. But not all local phone carriers handle early media right. Doesn't matter who is your phone carrier, VoIP, land line or cell carriers could have a bug.

We at callwithus.com decided to provide a free test to check how your phone carrier handles call progress audio.

Call 1-213-550-4027, on IVR prompt "Enter your complete PIN number" enter 1234567890. You'll get "zero balance" message and the call will be disconnected. 1-213-550-4027 ANSWERS the call before playing IVR.

Now call 1-419-301-6832. The number plays the same IVR, but DOES NOT ANSWER the call, early media method is being used. If you get the same result like with 1213 number - your phone provider is OK. But you could get the following problems:

1) - You hear only long rings, nothing else. Your phone provider emits false rings and blocks real call progress audio.
2) - You hear funny sounds. Your phone provider sends false rings to the caller, but mixes ring tones with call progress audio.
3) - You hear IVR, but "Enter your complete PIN number" prompt repeats again and again. Your phone provider doesn't support DTMF tones during early media stage.

Please post your test results to this thread if your phone carrier doesn't pass "early media" test, please specify who is your phone carrier and which problem you got when call 1-419-301-6832.

T-mobile prepaid (area code 1848) passes the test OK.

--
»www.callwithus.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653822 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:22:35 EDT