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Re: Show Us Your Papers
said by dirtyjeffer  :hehehe...you misunderstood my post Snick...i am not the one who is saying the "kids didn't know any better"...i was using "your" argument from earlier threads. Haha, touche 
Still, it's a bad argument. True, children lack the same mental capacity and ability to grasp consequences as adults, but that doesn't mean that they should be locked away and not allowed to explore their ability to make choices and decisions. If we did that, we'd end up with some very fucked up and naive children who wouldn't know how to function as adults. We already have them, they're called children who grew up in fundamentalist Christian homes, but I digress...
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1 edit | said by Snickerdo : If we did that, we'd end up with some very fucked up and naive children who wouldn't know how to function as adults. Uh, dude... we already have them. Welcome to the 'new thought' version of parenting, a massive fail. You don't even need to add the Christian crapola...
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dirtyjeffer
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well snick, i learned something from your post...how to write really, really, really, really small.  |
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1 edit | said by dirtyjeffer :well snick, i learned something from your post...how to write really, really, really, really small. That's so that his religious hate speech would be relatively hidden.
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Snickerdo
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| said by TKJunkMail :That's so that his religious hate speech would be relatively hidden. Hate speech? No. It's called personal experience. |
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dirtyjeffer
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that wasn't hate speech. |
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Snickerdo
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| said by dirtyjeffer :that wasn't hate speech. Yeah, but in Junkmail's world, I must be one of those self-hating Christians.
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But, we're back on topic now...  |
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said by Snickerdo :said by dirtyjeffer :that wasn't hate speech. Yeah, but in Junkmail's world, I must be one of those self-hating Christians. yea, but watch what you say, you aren't protected by the YJA anymore.
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| Nope, but I'll always be protected by the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.  |
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said by Snickerdo :True, children lack the same mental capacity and ability to grasp consequences as adults, but that doesn't mean that they should be locked away and not allowed to explore their ability to make choices and decisions. If we did that, we'd end up with some very fucked up and naive children who wouldn't know how to function as adults. But don't we have that problem now? With every generation it seems the age of 'adult' is going up, and this isn't the fault of each latest generation. |
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| said by urbanriot :But don't we have that problem now? With every generation it seems the age of 'adult' is going up, and this isn't the fault of each latest generation. That's more a result of the job market and cost of education and living than social values, though. If kids could still go out and get a life-long job that can buy a house and feed a wife and kids at 18, I'm sure it would still be happening.
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| "life-long job?" Both my parents and grandparents often go on about how many jobs they had while trying to raise their families. Hell, my Dad's mentioned so many different jobs that he had that it sounds like he's been alive 200 years, rather than 60 or so. I don't know that job stability or the job market has anything to do with it... well, or the cost of education... My grandparents were involved in various aspects of wars, so I don't know what education would have cost then. My father... hmm, he worked a full time, evening job while going to school to feed the family, so I don't know about that one either...
You might be right about social values though. I don't know that people have any less capabilities or options now than generations prior, but something's definitely changing. I don't believe bubble wrapping children and locking down teenagers is helping... |
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| My dad had (to the best of my knowledge) 3 jobs in his life (not including the farm work he had to do when he immigrated here).
I on the other hand (and it's partly me because I get bored after a couple of years) since I was a kid well over a dozen different jobs. The longest I stayed anywhere was 7yrs, on average its 2-3yrs (man it's tough to keep to 2 pages on my resume with my history)
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said by urbanriot :"life-long job?" Both my parents and grandparents often go on about how many jobs they had while trying to raise their families. Hell, my Dad's mentioned so many different jobs that he had that it sounds like he's been alive 200 years, rather than 60 or so. I don't know that job stability or the job market has anything to do with it... well, or the cost of education... My grandparents were involved in various aspects of wars, so I don't know what education would have cost then. My father... hmm, he worked a full time, evening job while going to school to feed the family, so I don't know about that one either... My father has had precisely two major jobs during his life - Hayes Dana (where he was laid off), and General Motors (where he took a buyout that he now won't be getting because of Chapter 11, but he's still got his pension). His father was a boiler engineer when they lived in Venezula, then he worked at a mine in Timmins, then when they moved to St. Catharines he worked for Ferranti-Packard, and then he retired. My mom's dad came to Canada in 1952, got a job with Otis in Hamilton, drove from St. Catharines to Hamilton for over 30 years, and had that job until he retired. I have a hard time believing that everyone who raised me was the exception to the rule.
said by urbanriot :You might be right about social values though. I don't know that people have any less capabilities or options now than generations prior, but something's definitely changing. I don't believe bubble wrapping children and locking down teenagers is helping... My father bought his first home when he was 22. How many 22 year olds today can afford to do that? Hell, I'm 26 and I've got a ways to go, and I live on my own and take care of myself otherwise.
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said by urbanriot : I don't believe bubble wrapping children and locking down teenagers is helping... Right on! |
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said by Snickerdo :My father bought his first home when he was 22. How many 22 year olds today can afford to do that? Hell, I'm 26 and I've got a ways to go, and I live on my own and take care of myself otherwise. How many 22 year olds today have the work ethic to do that today? If I wasn't a complete fuckup when I was 22, I could have easily picked up a mortgage and bought a house with a healthy down payment. If my parents raised me the same way their parents raised them, I probably would have. |
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| said by urbanriot :How many 22 year olds today have the work ethic to do that today? If I wasn't a complete fuckup when I was 22, I could have easily picked up a mortgage and bought a house with a healthy down payment. If my parents raised me the same way their parents raised them, I probably would have. It's not so much about work ethic as it is being able to get a good high-paying job right out of high school where you can afford to blow your money on all sorts of useless stuff, AND buy a house.
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| said by Snickerdo : It's not so much about work ethic as it is being able to get a good high-paying job right out of high school where you can afford to blow your money on all sorts of useless stuff, AND buy a house. That's what the marketer's tell you, and is not the reality of life.
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