Bell Landline to go up by $2, will this apply to TSI as well in TekSavvy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22650502 en Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:56:01 EDT Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:56:01 EDT Re: Bell Landline to go up by $2, will this apply to TSI as well http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655488 anon :
said by SuperCM See Profile :

Guess this means my savings over Bell Canada just increased by $2.
+1]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655488 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:45:43 EDT Re: Bell Landline to go up by $2, will this apply to TSI as well http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655176 mazhurg : Thanks Bell!

You are saving me, starting in Aug a good 7.00 a month (Cost of call display - 2.00 increase) once call display is disabled.

CD is overrated anyway!

:)
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said by Terri Bell :

One simple solution that took 0 time and no effort to implement was boycott. I stopped using bell long-distance and use a 1010 voip service instead. The call quality is just as good as bell and bell now collects only a tiny, tiny fraction of what they would have form me before in charges
Maybe TSI can send out a mass email to their internet subscribers suggesting that Bell Home Phone users switch to TekSavvy's long distance services or switch completely to their home phone services.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654861 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:50:57 EDT Re: FTW??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654816 anon : Seems like Bell is dying to switch everyone and every of their "services" to long term lock in contracts and string all kinds of fees and penalty clauses.

They must be using Monty Python's Argument script as their operating procedure and scripts for their customer service. »www.davidpbrown.co.uk/jokes/mont···ent.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654816 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:34:28 EDT Hit back immdiately - boycott bell long-distance http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654747 anon : Over the last 2-3 years, I have gone from a decades-long satisfied customer of multiple bell services who thought highly of them to one that hopes for its earliest possible demise. My attitude changed for usual reasons: numerous instances where this once venerable telecom outfit has demonstrated newly found arrogance, ineptness, and incompetence to me, my family and friends.

On top of that, my bills have steadily risen while service and performance has declined. I have watched charges for line items like "last call return" go from just merely outrageous to extortionate. And I have watched bell adopt the process of price-obfuscation at every twist and turn (buck your fundles, bell!). And I have been outright lied to by bell reps about certain charges.

I am in the process of re-assessing all services and will be cutting bell out of the picture in every way possible (I have been watching this forum for some time and Teksavvy is at the top of my list for some services).

But I felt the need to deprive bell sooner of any revenue that I could.

One simple solution that took 0 time and no effort to implement was boycott. I stopped using bell long-distance and use a 1010 voip service instead. The call quality is just as good as bell and bell now collects only a tiny, tiny fraction of what they would have form me before in charges

If every person using bell long-distance were to do this immediately, I'm sure bell would experience a sufficient drop in revenue to tell them that the customer is still in charge, no matter what bell's delusions of grandeur.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654747 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:12:40 EDT FTW??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654592 anon :
said by An_Onymous :

Bell thinks their services are not regulated as soon as customers subscribe to their expensive add-on services such as caller ID, call waiting call answer etc.
I left my lawyer in my other pants, but I read this the same way.

Someone help me out here: is bell really saying "if you do more business with us, then we promise to f*** you" or is there ma nuance that I missed?

What am I missing? I know bell is brain-damaged, but are they suicidal, too?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654592 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:40:44 EDT Re: Bell Landline to go up by $2, will this apply to TSI as well http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654573 Goggles9 : I will most likley go TSI with my home phone, I just wish TSI were in the wireless business.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654573 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:17:12 EDT Re: Bell Landline to go up by $2, will this apply to TSI as well http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654368 anon : My guess is that TSI would not be affected under this as they're using the regulated/tariffed rates, so Bell would have to argue to the CRTC for any increase, and that's not what happened here.

Obviously, Bell wants to get as many people off of these regulated/tariffed rates and onto their unregulated ToS so they can do whatever they want in an organized manner against millions of relatively unorganized people.

This type of action on their part is basically a creative way to get all those grandmas and grandpas that just faithfully pay their Bell bill every month onto these higher-price line cards for the same services. Actually, it's less service, since you won't be able to complain to the CRTC if you're not getting the service you received before.

I'll bet that this type of creativity will _not_ be well liked by the CRTC and Bell will get its wrist slapped, but the minions in the creative department will get an A+ from upper management for effort. At least that's what happened when Telus implemented its bunk network charge.

Telecom is supposed to be boring, like banking. If things get exciting, there's a problem. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654368 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 16:26:11 EDT Re: Bell Landline to go up by $2, will this apply to TSI as well http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654249 noyb : and any applicable administrative charges ????

well if any company chargers you this fee you can sue them it is illegal to check with revenue canada it is illegal to charge an Adminstrative charge for making out a bill you dont have to pay it ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654249 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:36:10 EDT Re: Bell Landline to go up by $2, will this apply to TSI as well http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653800 bjlockie : Will this apply to dry loop rates?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653800 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:15:18 EDT Re: Bell Landline to go up by $2, will this apply to TSI as well http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653702 sbrook : Bell just completed ALL of the purchase of Virgin.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653702 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:44:34 EDT Re: Bell Landline to go up by $2, will this apply to TSI as well http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653518 ohmer :
said by tor :

Bell owns half of Virgin Mobile. I am wondering if they are going to screw that up too!

»www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2009···ile.html
No they now own 100%. They already owned 51%.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653518 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 11:43:04 EDT Re: Bell Landline to go up by $2, will this apply to TSI as well http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653278 anon : Bell owns half of Virgin Mobile. I am wondering if they are going to screw that up too!

»www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2009···ile.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653278 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:27:46 EDT Re: Bell Landline to go up by $2, will this apply to TSI as well http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653239 petah :
This is one of the reasons I moved the land line service to Teksavvy. First reason was the LD "access fee" Bell charged us since 2002 that my parents never bothered to check on the bill.

We have never used Bell's LD. My mom uses a calling card and I have the $4/month LD number that I dial. We were never notified of such fee (apparently since 2000) and I have never bothered to check my parents' Bell bill until about 3 weeks ago.

We were paying $42/month after taxes and switching to Teksavvy resulted in $14/month savings ($28/month after taxes)

Bell tried to talk my mom into signing a 2 year contract and give us some discounts on the phone service, I did some quick math and told Bell to take a hike. I am not about to sign another 2 year contract if I can still be on monthly and pay less.

Teksavvy 2 : Bell 0 in my house.

Next will be TV, when is Teksavvy going to offer TV service? :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653239 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:05:53 EDT Re: Bell Landline to go up by $2, will this apply to TSI as well http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653219 anon : 'tor

Heck maybe I'll end up going with Rogers, I don't know right now.'

From frying pan to fire........trust me!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653219 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:03:54 EDT Re: Bell Landline to go up by $2, will this apply to TSI as well http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653193 VenusFlytrap : 1) I hate Bell

2) The CRTC is a disgraceful rubber-stamping agency, gleefully rubber-stamping approvals for the greedy Bell and Rogers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653193 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 09:44:42 EDT Re: Bell Landline to go up by $2, will this apply to TSI as well http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653152 nigrunze : I'm surprised none of us (myself included) saw this coming. It's here a year after Bell increased the price of "Call Waiting Unblocking" from $5.50 to $6.95 (wtf!).

If TekSavvy's phone service isn't affected by the price raise, they may just get some new (phone) customers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653152 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 09:25:45 EDT Re: Bell Landline to go up by $2, will this apply to TSI as well http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651626 Martian3 : Bell is attempting to migrate as many customers as possible into their home phone packages, which they're interpreting as unregulated services. The price increase only applies to residential access lines -- if those go up $2 but the home phone packages stay at the same price, the home phone packages become much more attractive in terms of pricing.

I'm interpreting the change to the UToS in mostly the same vein. If I sign up for a home phone package from Bell and later decide that I want to go back to a (regulated) access line, I'll be hit with a $35 downgrade fee. While the UToC change doesn't specifically mention home phone packages and therefore could apply to anyone with extra features on their line, I suspect that's who it's targeting.

One change encourages migration, the other discourages going back.

Notable is that Bell charges substantially more than the regulated price for their home phone lite package (which comes with no features), but applies bundle discounts to it and all home phone packages. The whole thing seems like a way to get more customers into Bell bundles by making a basic home phone line too expensive to have without other services. None of it applies to wholesalers in any way that I'm aware of.

I too am curious as to whether this price increase is going to hit TSI lines as well. I'm assuming I'll receive an email before such a thing occurs.

slow joe - I'm guessing you have something other than an access line, and so the $2 price hike doesn't apply to you. If you have a home phone package then this won't affect you.

Don't ask me for my sources, I'm not telling. :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651626 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:26:02 EDT Re: Bell Landline to go up by $2, will this apply to TSI as well http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651580 BurnHavoc : Gah. I already have enough bills to pay x_X]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651580 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:13:02 EDT Re: Bell Landline to go up by $2, will this apply to TSI as well http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651578 HeadSpinning :
said by An_Onymous :

His line is not basic service under the new rule. He has $1.30 for message waiting and call blocking(???)
Call Forward Busy / Message Waiting Indication - AKA 3rd party Voice Mail.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651578 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:12:13 EDT Re: Bell Landline to go up by $2, will this apply to TSI as well http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651571 HeadSpinning : It looks to me like Bell is about to start hitting people with all sorts of punitive charges if they switch any of their services to other providers.

Its just their little way of showing how much they really care.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651571 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:10:30 EDT Re: Bell Landline to go up by $2, will this apply to TSI as well http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651500 anon : His line is not basic service under the new rule. He has $1.30 for message waiting and call blocking(???)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651500 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:00:17 EDT Re: Bell Landline to go up by $2, will this apply to TSI as well http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651402 slow joe : Strange. I have the second paragraph (effective June 1 ...)

I don't have the first one (effective August 1 ....)

I wonder if this would be in selected areas.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651402 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 19:25:00 EDT Re: Bell Landline to go up by $2, will this apply to TSI as well http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650924 El Quintron :
said by emoci See Profile :

My questions:

1. Will TSI Home Phone prices see a $2 increase in August?
2. Does TSI qualify as an "Affiliated Company" as per TOS (I sure hope not)....?
@ #2 I doubt TSI qualifies as an affiliated company due to the fact that they're a reseller. They buy the service wholesale, and don't fall under this pricing structure. (they would fall under some type of wholesale Tariff)

It may be time for another batch of letters to the CRTC.
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Can anyone clarify that statement from their TOS?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650920 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:42:25 EDT Re: Bell Landline to go up by $2, will this apply to TSI as well http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650841 Fireblade : »www.acanac.ca/Phones.htm probably has the best price for VOIP service I've ever seen at $9.95 / month, only drawback is you'll need to provide your own VTA ($30-$60+)
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Heck maybe I'll end up going with Rogers, I don't know right now.

This is nuts!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650752 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:09:45 EDT Re: Bell Landline to go up by $2, will this apply to TSI as well http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650614 DJMASACRE : what the heck

and i never bothered getting a land line or cell phone ( not in a million years ) .. because a) i barely use a phone -- only to talk to the gf or family and 2) i dont want to spend 20$ for using a phone maybe 20 times a month

now it goes up in price ? thats it, im finding my fathers shotgun and putting it in my mouth, LOL

*dramatic*]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650614 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:36:32 EDT Re: Bell Landline to go up by $2, will this apply to TSI as well http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650610 shepd : Well, at least it shouldn't apply to me (apart from maybe the $2) because I refuse to give bell $8 a month to turn OFF the caller ID blocking. :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650610 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:35:55 EDT Re: Bell Landline to go up by $2, will this apply to TSI as well http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650565 anon : Bell thinks their services are not regulated as soon as customers subscribe to their expensive add-on services such as caller ID, call waiting call answer etc.

Have they got CRTC's rubber stamp approval already?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650565 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:29:16 EDT Re: Bell Landline to go up by $2, will this apply to TSI as well http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650559 l0thar : OMG, what a loser company BCE has turned out into. :(

And our inept federal government doesn't help either.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650559 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:24:20 EDT Bell Landline to go up by $2, will this apply to TSI as well http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650502 emoci : Got my bell bill today....found out two things:

1. Basic landline cost will go up by $2 starting August 1
2. Bell has changed their TOS to add the following:

quote:
Customers subscribing solely to Bell’s residential local telephone service who purchase any additional product(s) or service(s) from Bell and/ or its affiliated companies will:
(i) no longer be eligible for the then
applicable CRTC approved maximum price for residential stand-alone
primary exchange local telephone service;
(ii) be subject to any future
price increases for such residential local telephone service; and
(iii) be required to pay the then applicable downgrade fees (currently $35, subject to change), and any applicable administrative charges and/or early termination fees, if they cancel all of the additional product(s) or
service(s) in order to be eligible for the then applicable CRTC approved maximum price for residential stand-alone primary exchange local telephone service (the “Downgrade Option”).

Customers who exercise the Downgrade Option at any time prior to December 31, 2009 will not be required to pay the applicable downgrade fees but will be required to pay any applicable administrative charges and/or early termination fees.

From »www.bell.ca/web/all_languages/al···s_en.pdf


My questions:

1. Will TSI Home Phone prices see a $2 increase in August?
2. Does TSI qualify as an "Affiliated Company" as per TOS (I sure hope not)....?
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