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Kilroy
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Ann Arbor, MI | Re: Those Who Rented A Car From Enterprise GPS/Blackboxes, whatever you want to call them. Some companies charge you more if you were speeding.
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1 edit | Re: Those Who Rented A Car From Enterprise said by Kilroy  :GPS/Blackboxes, whatever you want to call them. Some companies charge you more if you were speeding. Speeding tracking been ruled illegal. I know there been also ruling on tracking if you leave the state but i don't' remember what court made the ruling.
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| Re: Those Who Rented A Car From Enterprise said by 81399672 :said by Kilroy :GPS/Blackboxes, whatever you want to call them. Some companies charge you more if you were speeding. Speeding tracking been ruled illegal. I know there been also ruling on tracking if you leave the state but i don't' remember what court made the ruling. Not really. A Connecticut case said the fees associated with the GPS tracking were excessive AND it was not properly disclosed on the contract. A similar California case stated the same thing about proper disclosure.
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runnoft
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4 edits | They do not require you to check in until the date you told them you would return the car. I don't think Enterprise has GPS inside the works of the cars where you can't detect them, but they might. Anyway, what you're contemplating is a bad idea even in the likely case that they don't. Here's why.
When you rent the car, Enterprise almost always asks where you're going, and they enter that information on your rental form. If you are pulled over by the police and for some traffic infraction, and are outside the area you told Enterprise you were going, the police will see it on your contract (because your copy of the contract is, in effect, your registration). The police may treat you briefly, at least, as if the car was stolen, and Enterprise is likely to find out about it. You will then be in breach of your agreement with Enterprise. Your rental car contract will specify serious financial penalties for this, well in excess of 25 cents per mile. And if you've had an accident in Florida when you told them you were staying in New England, even if the accident wasn't your fault, they will eat you alive financially.
You want to find an unlimited mileage deal. Keep looking.
If you can't find one, New England rental car companies at airports often restrict driving to New England and New York state. If you can get to the mid-Atlantic states, you may be able to rent an unlimited mileage car to Florida and back. | |
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mech1164
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join:2001-11-19
Lodi, NJ
| Well had to rent a car this week with them. Not sure about other but the people they have near me are great. I to was restricted to NJ NY CT region. I asked if i could go into PA they asked me where in PA. Was going to the Sands in Bethlehem PA. They said that would be ok. Not that far in PA as it was. If this is a long distance drive then you need to make arrangements ahead of time. | |
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jester121
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| Enterprise sucks. On the rare occasions I rent from them, they still give me the bullshit lines about really needing their supplemental insurance (I don't), and that my Amex doesn't provide rental car coverage (it does). I don't expect much from a rental car, but is it too much to have a full god damned gas tank when I start out? | |
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| Re: Those Who Rented A Car From Enterprise said by jester121 :Enterprise sucks. On the rare occasions I rent from them, they still give me the bullshit lines about really needing their supplemental insurance (I don't), and that my Amex doesn't provide rental car coverage (it does). I don't expect much from a rental car, but is it too much to have a full god damned gas tank when I start out? AMEX may pay for the damage but may not pay for the "loss of use" charges.
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| Re: Those Who Rented A Car From Enterprise I've submitted Amex damage claims twice in the past ten years for rental cars (both parking lot scrape types) and my involvement consisted of (a) a phone call, (b) mailing in the paperwork to Amex, and (c) getting a letter 2 months later saying it was all taken care of.
Then again, I don't rent cards from Billy Bob's Shitbox Rental like the guy in your quoted article. | |
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| Re: Those Who Rented A Car From Enterprise said by jester121 :I've submitted Amex damage claims twice in the past ten years for rental cars (both parking lot scrape types) and my involvement consisted of (a) a phone call, (b) mailing in the paperwork to Amex, and (c) getting a letter 2 months later saying it was all taken care of. Then again, I don't rent cards from Billy Bob's Shitbox Rental like the guy in your quoted article. You are assuming that they tried to charge AMEX for loss of use. They might not have since AMEX is a pretty big account to lose.
And if you read what I wrote, I said they "may not" not that they wouldn't. | |
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Bobcat
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1 edit | If you drive out of the area and get in an accident, you will be royally screwed.
I've found that Avis is cheaper than Enterprise. Enterprise's scam is they rate the cars differently. What they call a mid-size, other companies call a compact. So when you compare rates, you're getting a smaller car than you think.
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SparkChaser
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| Re: Those Who Rented A Car From Enterprise said by Bobcat :If you drive out of the area and get in an accident, you will be royally screwed. I've found that Avis is cheaper than Enterprise. Enterprise's scam is they rate the cars differently. What they call a mid-size, other companies call a compact. So when you compare rates, you're getting a smaller car than you think. I agree, I've always felt enterprise was a bit of a scam. We used them at work for a long time and every time I'd get a car to go to DC it would have the states listed (or not listed) that would not allow me to go to DC. We always wound up writing it in the agreement.
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| said by Bobcat :If you drive out of the area and get in an accident, you will be royally screwed. I've found that Avis is cheaper than Enterprise. Enterprise's scam is they rate the cars differently. What they call a mid-size, other companies call a compact. So when you compare rates, you're getting a smaller car than you think. Funny... I was renting an intermediate, which should have been something like a G5, Corolla, or Cobalt. Instead, they gave me a Dodge Caliber, which was much bigger (and a much bigger gas-sucker) than I was expecting.
Though, considering that the Enterprise I did rent from rents an office inside a Ford dealership, I was surprised that there weren't more Fords on the lot for them.
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| Here is where it is interesting. If I rent from the airport location and not the stand alone stores, the wording changes to below:
MILEAGE IS UNLIMITED WHEN THE VEHICLE REMAINS IN MA, RI CT, NH, VT AND ME. IF TRAVELLING OUTSIDE OF THESE STATES, MILEAGE IS CHARGED AT 200 MILES FREE PER DAY AND 1000 FREE PER WEEK, $0.25 PER MILE OVERMILEAGE, FOR THE ENTIRE RENTAL.
So I have to believe there is some sort of GPS or "black box" type thing as that would be the only real way to enforce such a rule as above, right? If I dipped into NJ for an hour or two...this would be the only way they would know it. Not to mention, being in Maine...I could drive into canada and back very easily, which they do not allow, the only way they would know is by GPS correct?
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Kilroy
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join:2002-11-21
Ann Arbor, MI | Re: Those Who Rented A Car From Enterprise You might have issues crossing the border. Customs might ask who owns the car and that little sticker on it would be hard to lie about.
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Kilroy
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Ann Arbor, MI | Re: Those Who Rented A Car From Enterprise Something like this.
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Fubar
join:2001-02-20
Phoenix, AZ
| I used to manage a Car Rental office....
Unless they have Gps (Highly Unlikely) they won't know where you go (Or really care) unless your car breaks down, you get a flat tire, a ticket, or in an accident.
If any of those things happen you will be screwed! If you go out of the are and the car breaks down be expected to be abandoned by the company. Plus they will charge you with all kinds of fee's. They will need to bring the car back to them. Will they cover that? No. You will....
These offices are likely franchises and not corporate stores so they are responsible for their own cars so they don't want them all over the country in case something like this does happen!
If you want to risk it go ahead.... I know a guy that was paying $300 month for 10 years to pay for an accident he got into out of out authorized area.... | |
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Fubar
join:2001-02-20
Phoenix, AZ | Re: Those Who Rented A Car From Enterprise If they are a Franchisee, I highly doubt they will allow you to go to Florida with their car with unlimited mileages...
Too much of a risk to them.
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81399672
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| said by Fubar :If you want to risk it go ahead.... I know a guy that was paying $300 month for 10 years to pay for an accident he got into out of out authorized area.... I am going to call bs on that.
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join:2001-02-20
Phoenix, AZ
| Re: Those Who Rented A Car From Enterprise said by 81399672 :said by Fubar :If you want to risk it go ahead.... I know a guy that was paying $300 month for 10 years to pay for an accident he got into out of out authorized area.... I am going to call bs on that. Why? He wrecked a brand new minivan... 30000 for the van, plus interest and the cost to get the van back and admin costs etc..... | |
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| Re: Those Who Rented A Car From Enterprise said by Fubar :said by 81399672 :said by Fubar :If you want to risk it go ahead.... I know a guy that was paying $300 month for 10 years to pay for an accident he got into out of out authorized area.... I am going to call bs on that. Why? He wrecked a brand new minivan... 30000 for the van, plus interest and the cost to get the van back and admin costs etc..... Because cc have insurances which cover such stuff. To rent a car, cc is required.
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clubs: | Re: Those Who Rented A Car From Enterprise I doubt that any CC coverage will cover an accident outside the terms of the lending contract.
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Fubar
join:2001-02-20
Phoenix, AZ
| said by 81399672 :Because cc have insurances which cover such stuff. To rent a car, cc is required. Again, violate contract terms, void all coverage... | |
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81399672
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Los Angeles, CA
| Re: Those Who Rented A Car From Enterprise said by Fubar :said by 81399672 :Because cc have insurances which cover such stuff. To rent a car, cc is required. Again, violate contract terms, void all coverage... I would not be so sure, the insurance on cc is not based on car rental agreement.
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Fubar
join:2001-02-20
Phoenix, AZ
| Re: Those Who Rented A Car From Enterprise said by 81399672 :said by Fubar :said by 81399672 :Because cc have insurances which cover such stuff. To rent a car, cc is required. Again, violate contract terms, void all coverage... I would not be so sure, the insurance on cc is not based on car rental agreement. Wanna bet? Read a CC Car rental collision coverage addendum... There are sever terms and conditions that must be met...
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What is not covered?
* Any obligation you assume under any agreement (other than the deductible under your personal auto policy).
* Any violation of the auto rental agreement or this benefit.
* Injury of anyone or damage to anything inside or outside the rental vehicle.
* Loss or theft of personal belongings.
* Personal liability.
* Expenses assumed, waived, or paid by the rental agency or its insurer.
* Cost of any insurance or collision damage waiver offered by or purchased through the auto rental company.
* Depreciation of the rental vehicle caused by loss or damage including, but not limited to "diminished value."
* Expenses reimbursable by your insurer, employer, or employer’s insurance.
It does say any violation of the rental agreement.
Also, He would be paying with Gift Certificates/Gift Cards. For coverage you have to pay with your CC...
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runnoft
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Deerfield, IL
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2 edits | Re: Those Who Rented A Car From Enterprise said by Fubar :Wanna bet? Read a CC Car rental collision coverage addendum... There are sever terms and conditions that must be met... Also note some of the terms: It does say any violation of the rental agreement. Also, He would be paying with Gift Certificates/Gift Cards. For coverage you have to pay with your CC... Source: » usa.visa.com/personal/cards/bene···nal.html Say for example you choose to take your rented Ford Focus off-road, and you bust an axle on a rut the size of a Utah canyon. Or you're driving drunk and crack up the rental car in an accident that was otherwise not your fault, but the cops Breathalyze you, and you fail. You paid the $13 a day or whatever to take out the extra insurance from the car rental company. And you used a credit card, not gift certificates. You still pay for the damage. Both policies are void because breached your contract with the car rental company.
Similarly, you go beyond the area you are authorized to go, the risk is greater, and you broke your contract. You have an accident, you pay. (You can try filing a claim with your own auto insurance company, but just like the other two, they will do anything they can to get out of paying the claim. And you gave them an opening by breaching your contract. They are certainly not going to pay all the charges that the rental company will level at you for going out of the authorized area.) | |
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joako
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| said by Fubar :you get a flat tire Rental cars don't have spare tires and jacks in the trunk?
a ticket Those are issued to the driver, not the car. Parking ticket? Don't get one in a rental they will rape you with fees.
If you want to risk it go ahead.... I know a guy that was paying $300 month for 10 years to pay for an accident he got into out of out authorized area.... I don't know what else to expect if you total a $30,000 car and don't have valid insurance to cover it.
said by Bobcat :If you drive out of the area and get in an accident, you will be royally screwed. I've found that Avis is cheaper than Enterprise. Enterprise's scam is they rate the cars differently. What they call a mid-size, other companies call a compact. So when you compare rates, you're getting a smaller car than you think. If you are using your own insurance, how would that be? I could understand if you use their insurance and it is not covered.
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Fubar
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| Re: Those Who Rented A Car From Enterprise said by joako :said by Fubar :you get a flat tire Rental cars don't have spare tires and jacks in the trunk? Ya they do, Do you want to travel back from Florida on a spare? Are you going to pay to repair it?
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| Re: Those Who Rented A Car From Enterprise quote:
Ya they do, Do you want to travel back from Florida on a spare? Are you going to pay to repair it?
What if the tire is ruined? Are you going to but a replacement for the car?
Your best bet is to pay to repair it. I had a flat in a rental once. When I took the car back they told me if they could patch it, it was OK. If not, I was on the hook for the cost of the tire.
Luckilly I was on company business so they would have paid, but I could almost bet they would charge an arm & leg for a truly busted tire. | |
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Fubar
join:2001-02-20
Phoenix, AZ
| said by joako :If you are using your own insurance, how would that be? I could understand if you use their insurance and it is not covered. Most Insurance co's won;t cover if you void a contract on a rental car.... | |
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craig70130
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New Orleans, LA | You do know that while you may be able to use the gift certificates to pay for the vehicle when you return it, they'll still require a credit card and they will do a pre-approval for the entire expected amount on the card. | |
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Anonuser
join:2003-01-03
Milwaukee, WI
| I use Enterprise quite regulary. I've driven from Milwaukee, Wi to Gearing, Nebraska a few times, thats 1,000 miles each way. And i've done that drive 5 times, each time, round trip was 2 days. So 2,000 miles in 2 days on their cars, they did not care one bit that I put that much mileage on it. So 2,000 miles in 2 days cost me $40 in rental.
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bkjohnson
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Birmingham, AL
| The last time I rented from Enterprise I mentioned that I might take a day trip a little further south than my destination. The rental person entered that info and told me that the car had a GPS and that I would have been charged a higher rate if I went out of the area that I had originally specified. I would ask Enterprise to clarify restrictions. | |
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joako
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| Also try to ask the franchise itself not the 800 #.
When I had an Enterprise rental I wanted to return it somewhere else. On the 800# they told me something like $400 extra. At the franchise I called and it was $80 extra.
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| I have used Enterprise many times. The restrictions vary with the location. Often different terms at different locations in the same general area. What you have to ask your self is whether is is worth it to risk possibly thousands of dollars in over mileage fees, or the value of the car if their insurance is not valid outside the agreed area and you wreck it, to save $400 on the front end (value of your gift certificates). I would attempt to negotiate the trip with Enterprise and get it in writing. If the first branch said no, I would check one or two more. Without getting approval, I would not risk it, but that is me. | |
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| In particular, in case of an accident you will have no insurance. Every insurance policy (including coverage provided by your own car insurance) says that there's no coverage if you're in violation of your rental contract. As mentioned above, you will be screwed. | |
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stev32k
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Mobile, AL | Car rental is a very competitive business and if you look around you can nearly always find a better deal. Check out the coupons and specials at all the car rental places here: »www.rentalcodes.com/ | |
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runnoft
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| Re: Those Who Rented A Car From Enterprise said by swintec :said by stev32k :Car rental is a very competitive business and if you look around you can nearly always find a better deal. Check out the coupons and specials at all the car rental places here: » www.rentalcodes.com/ I wouldnt have a problem renting from someone else...but I have $400 in gift certificates I need to use. The thing I need to do is go by the local franchise next week and talk to them. See what they have for options. I think that is your best option, and it may work out fine for you if you do just that. I just don't recommend renting it "for New England only" and then drive it to Florida and back. The downside is too nasty if you get caught. | |
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| Re: Those Who Rented A Car From Enterprise said by swintec :said by runnoft :I just don't recommend renting it "for New England only" and then drive it to Florida and back. The downside is too nasty if you get caught. Oh i wouldnt do that. Worse came to worse, I would sell the $400 in certificates for like $350 and use the cash towards a different company. Yup. That works.
And thumbs up to Trunk Monkey. That's how I would do it if I were a car rental company. Who needs hidden GPS trackers? People need immediate feedback to correct their behavior. | |
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Those Who Rented A Car From Enterprise
I may stop by there shop soon and see what they can do.
