fcisler
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Re: MCMVII: Liberty 20 Dollar Coin
NEVER CLEAN A COIN!
Any numismatist will tell you such, and if you told them you cleaned it then it's now worth -0-. |
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They actually were struck without the motto.
"In God We Trust" Coin Inscription
Although the newly minted $20 Saint-Gaudens coin was ready for circulation in 1907, an important inscription was omitted: "In God We Trust" (hence the name "No Motto"). Although our country's motto had appeared on almost every gold coin minted for the previous 100 years, President Roosevelt felt that the Lord's name should not appear on coins that could be used in transactions in brothels, saloons, and gambling halls, making them "close to sacrilege".
At first, the President's order was followed: none of the 1907 and only a small portion of the rare 1908 $20 St. Gaudens gold coins included the motto. Despite his motivations, the public - and Congress - construed the omission of this motto as an attack on religion. The resulting uprorar quickly led to a Congressional Act restoring the inscription of "In God We Trust" in mid-1908. The motto remained until the government stopped striking gold coins for circulation in 1933. »www.goldline.com/coins/product/s···ens.html |
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| said by fourboxers  :They actually were struck without the motto. "In God We Trust" Coin Inscription
Although the newly minted $20 Saint-Gaudens coin was ready for circulation in 1907, an important inscription was omitted: "In God We Trust" (hence the name "No Motto"). Although our country's motto had appeared on almost every gold coin minted for the previous 100 years, President Roosevelt felt that the Lord's name should not appear on coins that could be used in transactions in brothels, saloons, and gambling halls, making them "close to sacrilege".
At first, the President's order was followed: none of the 1907 and only a small portion of the rare 1908 $20 St. Gaudens gold coins included the motto. Despite his motivations, the public - and Congress - construed the omission of this motto as an attack on religion. The resulting uprorar quickly led to a Congressional Act restoring the inscription of "In God We Trust" in mid-1908. The motto remained until the government stopped striking gold coins for circulation in 1933. » www.goldline.com/coins/product/s···ens.html Thanks for that info!  |
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I think it's fake.
Gold pieces don't tarnish like silver.
It doesn't even say "IN GOD WE TRUST".
Seam? Even more proof.
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| said by Gbcue :I think it's fake. ... It doesn't even say "IN GOD WE TRUST". You posted that an hour and a quarter after another post explained why TR ordered these coins struck without that motto. While your other points (tarnish, seam) suggest a badly done counterfeit, the missing motto is not a part of that equation.
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| said by NormanS :said by Gbcue :I think it's fake. ... It doesn't even say "IN GOD WE TRUST". You posted that an hour and a quarter after another post explained why TR ordered these coins struck without that motto. While your other points (tarnish, seam) suggest a badly done counterfeit, the missing motto is not a part of that equation. Somebody must have posted that while I was composing my post.
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»www.coinfacts.com/double_eagles/···_rim.htm
»www.coinfacts.com/double_eagles/···lief.htm |
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Tirael
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It is possible it is real. Try a local coin dealer to be certain.
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DrStrange
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MCMVII = 1907
»www.coinfacts.com/double_eagles/···dens.htm |
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M A R K
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Lets just say this one more time, FAKE!
I have seen many coins in my day, you can just look at it and instantly know its not gold and its fake. And if it was cleaned its worthless.
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said by fcisler :NEVER CLEAN A COIN! Any numismatist will tell you such, and if you told them you cleaned it then it's now worth -0-. A fake is worth zero regardless.
If it were real, it still wouldn't drop below gold value, cleaned or otherwise. |
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Jim Gurd
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The easiest way to determine if it's genuine or not is to weigh it. The real deal will weigh about 33.4 grams. A fake will be underweight. |
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stev32k
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It seems to be a poorly made counterfeit. Gold coins do not turn silver looking unless the electroplate wears off. I've asked others that are real experts in this series to take a look and we'll wait for their response. |
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stev32k
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Here are two responses from two well known and real experts on gold coins.
»boards.collectors-society.com/ub···1#UNREAD |
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Late night TV has adds for replicas of the Liberty 20 dollar gold coin and it is electro plated. |
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joetaxpayer; I wouldn't 100% guarantee that fakes are worthless.
For example the first Nigerian Scam letters a few years ago had badly printed fake stamps on them. They are now collectible if still on the original envelope.
Likewise I'm sure there are fake coins that are collectors items.
Quote from a fake coin web site "Ironically, there is actually a market for fake coins and some people will collect known fakes for the fun, prestige, and possible increase in valuation. These coins are famous fakes if you will." |
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| said by bombadill :joetaxpayer; I wouldn't 100% guarantee that fakes are worthless. For example the first Nigerian Scam letters a few years ago had badly printed fake stamps on them. They are now collectible if still on the original envelope. Likewise I'm sure there are fake coins that are collectors items. Quote from a fake coin web site "Ironically, there is actually a market for fake coins and some people will collect known fakes for the fun, prestige, and possible increase in valuation. These coins are famous fakes if you will." Yes, some ancient Roman counterfeit coins are worthwhile collecting. »esty.ancients.info/imit/
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Why don't you just try using it at a store? |
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