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Re: MCMVII: Liberty 20 Dollar Coin
1907 it runs from $9,500 to $13,000 from the picture I'd say your closer to the $13,000 mark If it was in mint condition it would run about $26,000
Great find dude!
The "In God We trust" motto don't happen on them until 1908
I tried to take a picture of my price guide but it keeps coming out blurry!
If you doubt it go to a store (Walmart) that sell coin price guides and look it up. |
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llancer2004
join:2009-08-29
Escondido, CA | reply to Dustyn
Re: MCMVII: Liberty 20 Dollar Coin
I think I have that same coin. If you find out anything useful let me know. I'm pretty sure its fake. |
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Dustyn
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Ontario, CAN
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If you guys need more photos or info on it, let me know.
I'm in the process of gathering more info on the coin when it's available to me. You guys have provided me with a lot of information thus far. I will measure, weigh it and post back. I will get in contact with a coin dealer as well even though I'm now certain it's a fake! I'm delightfully surprised by all the interest in this thread however.  Thanks for everyone's thoughts and comments on this. |
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pcernech
join:2009-06-29
Independence, MO | reply to Dustyn
Late to the party, but I have one of those (real) and that is a fake by my estimation. |
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burner50
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said by Hayward  :OOPS.... well them MIGHT be real... that was about when we quit the gold standard..... Gave up silver in 1964, now we are just on smoke and mirros standad  its not real.
That coin is one of the most counterfeited coins in american history.
There are several compelling reasons that have been referenced in this thread, all accurate. It could not POSSIBLY be real. Its a fake... not even a good fake. Read the thread.
I'm not saying its worthless, but its not legal tender in the US
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M A R K
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said by Hayward :OOPS.... well then MIGHT be real... that was about when we quit the gold standard..... Gave up silver in 1964, now we are just on smoke and mirros standad Lol, no its still fake.. and not just the coin.. !
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Hayward
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OOPS.... well then MIGHT be real... that was about when we quit the gold standard.....
Gave up silver in 1964, now we are just on smoke and mirros standad
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M A R K
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said by Hayward :MCMVII:= 1997.... M=1000
CM = 100 before 1000 (900)
VII = 7
1907
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1997 would be MCMXCVII
M=1000
CM=900
XC= 10 before 100 (90)
VII=7
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Hayward
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said by Jim Gurd :The easiest way to determine if it's genuine or not is to weigh it. The real deal will weigh about 33.4 grams. A fake will be underweight. Ever heard of lead??? Likely just plated, but might have high lead content to make it seem hefty. Forget the density dif between lead and gold but they are close.
No matter what though it is not a legitimate US Mint Coin , and very doubtful it is more than gold plated.
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Hayward
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MCMVII:= 1997..... there has not been legal gold currency since the very early 1900's. This is a "commeritave" type coin, not US mint legal tender.
Therefore it value is very variable.... beyond the actual metal value.
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57721182
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it was a joke  |
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M A R K
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said by 57721182 :Why don't you just try using it at a store? Seems like he lives in Ontario, so they will spit in his face twice, once for the fake coin and second for trying use USD
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57721182
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Why don't you just try using it at a store? |
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tim_k
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said by bombadill :joetaxpayer; I wouldn't 100% guarantee that fakes are worthless. For example the first Nigerian Scam letters a few years ago had badly printed fake stamps on them. They are now collectible if still on the original envelope. Likewise I'm sure there are fake coins that are collectors items. Quote from a fake coin web site "Ironically, there is actually a market for fake coins and some people will collect known fakes for the fun, prestige, and possible increase in valuation. These coins are famous fakes if you will." Yes, some ancient Roman counterfeit coins are worthwhile collecting. »esty.ancients.info/imit/
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bombadill
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joetaxpayer; I wouldn't 100% guarantee that fakes are worthless.
For example the first Nigerian Scam letters a few years ago had badly printed fake stamps on them. They are now collectible if still on the original envelope.
Likewise I'm sure there are fake coins that are collectors items.
Quote from a fake coin web site "Ironically, there is actually a market for fake coins and some people will collect known fakes for the fun, prestige, and possible increase in valuation. These coins are famous fakes if you will." |
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HFB1217
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Late night TV has adds for replicas of the Liberty 20 dollar gold coin and it is electro plated. |
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stev32k
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Here are two responses from two well known and real experts on gold coins.
»boards.collectors-society.com/ub···1#UNREAD |
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stev32k
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Mobile, AL | reply to Dustyn
It seems to be a poorly made counterfeit. Gold coins do not turn silver looking unless the electroplate wears off. I've asked others that are real experts in this series to take a look and we'll wait for their response. |
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Jim Gurd
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Plymouth, MI | reply to Dustyn
The easiest way to determine if it's genuine or not is to weigh it. The real deal will weigh about 33.4 grams. A fake will be underweight. |
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