mrmegadeth99
@verizon.net
| Cablevision has STARZ HD West! how come Cablevision just recently added STARZ HD West and fios still does not have it when they agreed to carry all available channels from STARZ? it is the only premium movie channel offered in HD that fios does not carry. any idea when it is coming? | |
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 ravensfan55
join:2008-06-16
Severna Park, MD | Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! Is it really necessary for Verizon to carry it for "bragging rights". The channel is just a 3 hour time delay of the East feed, shows all the same movies. | |
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 | rifleman69
join:2006-04-12
Beaverton, OR
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| Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! said by ravensfan55  :Is it really necessary for Verizon to carry it for "bragging rights". The channel is just a 3 hour time delay of the East feed, shows all the same movies. Exactly, it's not like it's a totally different channel. | |
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skottey_
@rr.com
| said by ravensfan55 :Is it really necessary for Verizon to carry it for "bragging rights". The channel is just a 3 hour time delay of the East feed, shows all the same movies. Every week or so this thread is started and somebody says "it is just delayed 3 hours."
I'll give the same broken record response I always do....
1- It is an annoyance that we have EVERY OTHER PREMIUM except that one. It just doesn't make sense that we don't have it. They have the rights to carry it.
2- I largely use the premiums as "flip and watch," meaning, if I am in the mood to watch a hidden gem, I flip through the premiums and find undiscovered movies that I never knew about. Things I wouldn't buy on DVD or Bluray, often things I have never heard of. If I am flipping, 50 choices are better than 49 choices. It doesn't matter if it is 3 hours behind. When I sit down at 5:47PM I am watching what is currently on. Yes, if I am planning my recordings it isn't a big deal, but if I am just flipping, it is a big deal. Again, bandwidth is NOT an issue.
Why do you even care if other people want it? Why not just say "the more HD the better!"? | |
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chitchatjf
join:2008-07-13
Lawrence, MA | How about BOTH?  | |
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icemannyr1
join:2001-04-11
Township Of Washington, NJ | Let's remember FiOS had the extra HD Movie Channels of HBO, Cinemax, Showtime and The Move Channel for much longer then Cablevision.
I'll give them slack on not having Starz HD West. | |
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appleman102
join:2002-07-23
Morristown, NJ | this bothers me too...they have the bandwith and they could add it for free moreorless....just dooo it!! I like west channels!! | |
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Myron4
join:2008-03-08
Dallas, TX
| I disagree that this channel isn't necessary, it's very necessary, compared to what's offered for HBO/Cinemax/Showtime, Starz needs every possible channel added as well.
Especially now that they have their own series. It's much easier to DVR True Blood or Weeds from the HD West channel, once all of the broadcast network shows are over. Perhaps that's only relevant for eastern/central timezone people?
Of course Starz doesn't provide as many HD & West channels as HBO/Cinemax but what they do offer should be on FiOS. Also not sure why MoviePlex isn't on FiOS but not too concerned with SD channels... | |
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Greg2600
join:2008-05-20
Belleville, NJ | I'd rather have any number of regular cable channels in HD than Starz West. Especially since Starz has such a minute movie library, you've probably seen whatever is on Starz 50 times already in the last week. | |
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| VZ Mark
join:2009-06-22
Basking Ridge, NJ | Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! DTV and other MSO's carry the East and West feeds to artificially inflate their number of HD services. As was previously stated, the content is the same with a three hour time shift. Wouldn't you rather have another unique HD service instead? | |
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matcarl
join:2007-03-09
Franklin Square, NY
1 edit | Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! Verizon carries all the west coast feeds of HBO & Cinemax and used those numbers to reach the 100 mark last year. Why leave one out? | |
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join:2009-06-22
Basking Ridge, NJ | Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! True! I guess everyone uses 'fuzzy math'? But still tough to compare HBO and even Skinemax to Starz... | |
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FiOSinVA
@verizon.net
| said by VZ Mark :DTV and other MSO's carry the East and West feeds to artificially inflate their number of HD services. As was previously stated, the content is the same with a three hour time shift. Wouldn't you rather have another unique HD service instead? By my count, DirecTV carries 4 west feeds. Verizon carries 17, without which they never would've been able to claim "100 HD channels." Who's inflating their numbers?
It sounds to me like Verizon is running out of bandwidth. I'm so glad we reserved bandwidth for garbage like MavTV ahead of time! | |
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skottey_
@rr.com
| Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! said by FiOSinVA :said by VZ Mark :DTV and other MSO's carry the East and West feeds to artificially inflate their number of HD services. As was previously stated, the content is the same with a three hour time shift. Wouldn't you rather have another unique HD service instead? By my count, DirecTV carries 4 west feeds. Verizon carries 17, without which they never would've been able to claim "100 HD channels." Who's inflating their numbers? It sounds to me like Verizon is running out of bandwidth. I'm so glad we reserved bandwidth for garbage like MavTV ahead of time! I cannot believe some of you folks. First off, carrying an east and west feed is NOT artificially inflating numbers. Again, if I sit down and turn on my TV, HBO HD east and HBO HD west are airing two different programs. HBO E/W counts for TWO channels, not one. There is nothing inflated about it. That is foolish to think it is inflated.
Secondly, FIOS is not running out of bandwidth. | |
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FiOSinVA
@verizon.net
| Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! said by skottey_ :
I cannot believe some of you folks. First off, carrying an east and west feed is NOT artificially inflating numbers. Again, if I sit down and turn on my TV, HBO HD east and HBO HD west are airing two different programs. HBO E/W counts for TWO channels, not one. There is nothing inflated about it. That is foolish to think it is inflated.
Secondly, FIOS is not running out of bandwidth.
No, I agree with you completely. I want every HD channel that's out there, and for premiums that means East and West feeds in most cases.
Verizon's premium channel package is bar none the best among all providers. Whatever happened with the Showtime channels, I hope Verizon adds every last one when they finally light up.
Personally, I'm not all that bothered by the Starz West ordeal. Verizon doesn't need to add that one West feed until Starz is offering more West feeds for its channels.
I was just disputing this contention that E/W channels are mostly fluff and that somehow Verizon's not in the business of burning up bandwidth on such fluff. DirecTV and Dish are certainly guilty of inflating their numbers, but they barely offer any of the premium multiplex channels, let alone independent West feeds. | |
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join:2009-06-22
Basking Ridge, NJ
| Not only MavTV HD but the recently added six Viacom HD's carry upconverted SD content most of the time. The West feeds are used primarily for West VHO's except for the more popular channels. True that some of the West feeds were 'reaches' in order to raise the bar to 100HD's but everybody plays the numbers game. There are a lot of HD channels that don't carry HD content 24/7 and I would like to see them replaced by new channels that do carry content 24/7 but VZ will never drop an HD service unless that provider ceases operations. The race to 100 HD's did include some questionable services but VZ is not running out of BW. Look for another big move later this year or early next year. | |
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join:2002-07-23
Morristown, NJ
| said by FiOSinVA :said by VZ Mark :DTV and other MSO's carry the East and West feeds to artificially inflate their number of HD services. As was previously stated, the content is the same with a three hour time shift. Wouldn't you rather have another unique HD service instead? By my count, DirecTV carries 4 west feeds. Verizon carries 17, without which they never would've been able to claim "100 HD channels." Who's inflating their numbers? It sounds to me like Verizon is running out of bandwidth. I'm so glad we reserved bandwidth for garbage like MavTV ahead of time! HEY...I like Fitness Beauties in HD! ^_^ | |
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| Reaper_WA
join:2008-12-15
Lynnwood, WA
·Verizon FIOS
| said by Greg2600 :I'd rather have any number of regular cable channels in HD than Starz West. Especially since Starz has such a minute movie library, you've probably seen whatever is on Starz 50 times already in the last week. It's not like they have bandwidth problems and have to choose one or the other. VZ should add STARZ West HD and add other HD cable channels as they reach agreements to carry them. | |
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join:2009-06-22
Basking Ridge, NJ | Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! VZ does carry Starz West but only in the West VHO's so it's not an issue with a contract agreement but a decision to not carry both the East and West in the same market... | |
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join:2006-01-12
Shirley, NY
| Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! Cablevision does not carry 7 premium HBO, Showtime, and Cinemax HD channels that FiOS has: HBO Comedy W, HBO Latino W, HBO Zone W, Sho Extreme W, Action Max W, More Max W, and Thriller Max W.
I'd say FiOS customers have the upperhand in this. Plus the signal isn't downgraded like on Cablevision. | |
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matcarl
join:2007-03-09
Franklin Square, NY | Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! But, Cablevision has been adding a lot we don't have. | |
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docbrown
@verizon.net
| Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! said by matcarl :But, Cablevision has been adding a lot we don't have. CV has a lot fios doesnt have and fios has a lot CV doesn't have. one company cant be everything to everyone matcarl. | |
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join:2008-07-13
Lawrence, MA
| said by VZ Mark :VZ does carry Starz West but only in the West VHO's so it's not an issue with a contract agreement but a decision to not carry both the East and West in the same market... If you have ch 341 (Starz West SD) nationwide then it should only be logical to offer channel 841 as well! | |
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join:2009-06-22
Basking Ridge, NJ | Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! The SD uses less than 4M of BW while the HD uses almost 20M of BW. You have to be more selective about what HD's are carried... | |
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join:2008-12-15
Lynnwood, WA
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! said by VZ Mark :The SD uses less than 4M of BW while the HD uses almost 20M of BW. You have to be more selective about what HD's are carried... Why, does FiOS have bandwidth problems? No, they don't. | |
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join:2009-06-22
Basking Ridge, NJ | Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! BW is not limitless and certainly not free. It's a business decision that will allow VZ to add other unique HD's at a later date instead of content that's time shifted by three hours... | |
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matcarl
join:2007-03-09
Franklin Square, NY | Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! Showtime was supposed to come out with the rest of their channels in HD at the beginning of this year plus Flix. Does anyone know what happened to them and will Verizon carry them when they are available? | |
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join:2008-12-15
Lynnwood, WA
·Verizon FIOS
1 edit | said by VZ Mark :BW is not limitless and certainly not free. It's a business decision that will allow VZ to add other unique HD's at a later date instead of content that's time shifted by three hours... IMO, your argument holds no water while there is still plenty of bandwidth available. My understanding is that VZ could comfortably add all the HD channels currently available.
And if your argument is valid, why do they carry all the other east and west coast feeds of the premium movie channels? | |
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skottey_
@rr.com
| said by VZ Mark :BW is not limitless and certainly not free. It's a business decision that will allow VZ to add other unique HD's at a later date instead of content that's time shifted by three hours... I think you are misunderstanding what we are talking about as far as bandwidth. There is a difference between bandwidth between Verizon's network and your house and Internet bandwidth. We are talking about Verizon's network, not Internet bandwidth.
Look at it like this. Old cable company networks that do not have fiber to your box have in most cases hit the maximum amount of capacity for channels. They couldn't add more channels because they ran out of bandwidth to carry more. This has NOTHING to do with Internet bandwidth. Some cable companies have implemented solutions like SDV (Switched digital). This allows for more channels because certain channels are not fed to everyone's house if they are not being watched. The standard cable design has all channels on the network being fed to your house at all times. If nobody is watching Ovation for example in a neighborhood of 500 houses, they don't feed it to that part of the network with SDV. They only feed channels that are being watched. Not all channels are run via SDV, but the channels that are don't feed in until these are utilized. THis allows more channels on the same wiring.
Let's move on over to FIOS. FIOS built their network with fiber right up to your ONT. This allows for way more bandwidth for more channels to your household than traditional cable networks. I'm not saying their IP design over FIOS is without flaws, because there are some. But the FACT is, they have far more bandwidth than they are utilizing. Yes, there are bottlenecks in some markets, but they are not limited to the current amount of channels in any market. They have bandwidth to add channels. Not Internet bandwidth. That isn't the same thing.
Look at it like a city water pipe. Let's say that the city water pipe is feeding each house with 5 gallons a minute. They have the capacity to feed each house with 10 gallons a minute but they are only feeding you with 5 gallons a minute. In this case, FIOS is that city water pipe. They can EASILY add Starz west HD and have plenty of bandwidth to do so.
Let's take the neighboring town. They too are running at 5 gallons a minute. The difference here is that they are maxed out with pipes that can only handle 5 gallons a minute. They are the traditional cable company. Full to capacity. They cannot increase to 6 gallons a minute. They have no space to add HD channels. FIOS DOES.
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join:2009-06-22
Basking Ridge, NJ
| Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! I understand BW very well but I think you're missing my point. This is a case of 'diminishing returns' in adding a West HD channel in the East that's simply three hours behind the East feed and otherwise has identical content. I am fully aware of SDV and the reasons why Fiber to the node companies have had to deploy it. We are now in an era of 'time shifted' content and I can tell you that I almost never watch live TV unless it's a sporting event. If there's something on Starz HD that you must see (I find this hard to fathom) set your Tivo or DVR to record it an watch it whenever you want. Eventually, adding the West HD feeds in the East and vice-versa will take away VZ's ability to add another HD channel that actually carries unique content. VZ can add the second HD feed everywhere but they choose not to and I agree with this approach...BTW, I drink my water out of a Poland Spring bottle! LOL | |
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join:2008-07-13
Lawrence, MA
| said by VZ Mark :BW is not limitless and certainly not free. It's a business decision that will allow VZ to add other unique HD's at a later date instead of content that's time shifted by three hours... If you are not going to bother carrying Starz West HD,then why bother carrying Starz West SD? | |
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skottey_
@rr.com
| Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! said by chitchatjf :said by VZ Mark :BW is not limitless and certainly not free. It's a business decision that will allow VZ to add other unique HD's at a later date instead of content that's time shifted by three hours... If you are not going to bother carrying Starz West HD,then why bother carrying Starz West SD? All it would take is the addition of Starz West HD and in this moment in time Verizon could say, "We are the ONLY television provider in the United States that carries all available premium channels in HD."
Nobody else can make this claim. Even U-Verse is missing more of the western feeds. Obviously the cable companies and satellite don't have anywhere near all the HBO/MAX/SHO/TMC channels in HD.
FIOS adds 1 channel they arleady have the rights to carry and they have some serious bragging rights.
For me it is just a huge annoying empty slot that draws my eye when I look at the lineup.
My 90 year old grandmother looked at the PDF for like 30 seconds and said, "Why no Starz West HD?" She doesn't even own or watch TV! | |
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JeepMatt
Delaware Fios
Premium
join:2001-12-28
Wilmington, DE
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! Did anyone ever take a second to think that maybe the agreement with Starz calls for each region to only receive ONE main feed?
LOL - this thread is hilarious watching you all bitch over a west coast / east coast feed.
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DOUBT IT
@optonline.net
| Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! said by JeepMatt :Did anyone ever take a second to think that maybe the agreement with Starz calls for each region to only receive ONE main feed? Well, does it? | |
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jmn1207
Premium
join:2000-07-19
Reston, VA
·Verizon FIOS
| I don't have VOD capabilities with my third-party DVR, and I really enjoy having the ability to record a movie/event/show that is shifted out of primetime for my region. Usually the premium movie channels show the most popular stuff during the most viewed times, and I frequently have conflicts when trying to record them. I often just use the Pacific/West versions to record HD movies that start much later, and rarely bump against my daily favorites.
While this in not critical, as I can scan ahead and find the same movies playing in the morning sometime during the week, it's just convenient having another option. | |
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Vamp9190
join:2002-02-11
Chantilly, VA | Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! Don't you have 2 tuners though?
I do see your point, VZ should get as many HDs as possible. | |
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jmn1207
Premium
join:2000-07-19
Reston, VA
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! said by Vamp9190 :Don't you have 2 tuners though? Yes, but sometimes things get kinda crowded. I am in the habit of recording everything I watch, even if I only to give it a 20-30 minute head start. On longer sporting events or shows with many commercials, I look like an even bigger idiot than usual when the recording catches up to live TV and I'm pointing the remote in all kinds of weird angles trying to get the fast-forward to work before I realize it. | |
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appleman102
join:2002-07-23
Morristown, NJ
| yes, I find the lack of Starz HD west to be offensive....just complete the set!! There are also many times I will see a movie already started on Starz and will go to watch it 90mins later or so...and theres no west hd!
Its very annoying, they have the bandwith...they have the contract...just do a little leg work and add the damn channel.
And yes, Flix and the rest of the sho's (family zone, women etc.) along with their west feeds NEED to happen! The core work has already been done for showtime...they just need to finish up! | |
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cmullen8
Ultraman
join:2004-06-10
Silver Spring, MD
·Verizon FIOS
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| Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! said by appleman102 :yes, I find the lack of Starz HD west to be offensive. Umm...what? | |
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icemannyr1
join:2001-04-11
Township Of Washington, NJ
1 edit | One thing CV has that would be nice on FiOS is the local forecasts on The Weather Channel HD.
Any word if FiOS has ordered and or will installing the equipment soon? | |
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| VZ Mark
join:2009-06-22
Basking Ridge, NJ | Re: Cablevision has STARZ HD West! Yes, that is coming for sure and will happen sometime this year... | |
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FiOSinVA
@verizon.net
| said by VZ Mark :
Starz shows old movies... Just to clear the air, Starz has four original series--Crash, Party Down, Head Case, and new series Hollywood Residential--and first-run rights to all Disney and Sony Entertainment films. It's not just "old movies." | |
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