x264 and Intel 4500MHD in Audio/Video Chat

x264 and Intel 4500MHD in Audio/Video Chat http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22619363 en Sun, 29 Nov 2009 08:19:15 EDT Sun, 29 Nov 2009 08:19:15 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23323767 anon : good stuff! happy you finally got it working..
i read this entire thread and noticed that not a single person asked if you had tried using any different software to play the files/discs.

As you found out, you need playback software that WILL take advantage of the gpu decoding features...mediaplayer and quicktime DO NOT.

i suggest powerdvd....but you apparently found something that works as well...or a codec that allows acceleration under mediaplayer...
although i still suggest using powerdvd]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23323767 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:40:26 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23315850 ophelus : Yah, it seems to work well but there are occasional glitches.. dunno if that's the codec or the 4500mhd :) I'd say a glitch can appear every 10 minutes or so.. or sometimes not..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23315850 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:36:38 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23315061 Matt : DXVA does make a huge difference if your GPU supports it. DXVA is GPU offloading for decoding which most stream based GPU devices are much, much more efficient at than x86 processors are.
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Try "skip deblocking when safe" and see if that makes any difference. You can also try "always skip deblocking", which will yield a slightly lower quality image, but should improve the framerate and lessen the likelihood of audio sync issues.

There should also be an option to "drop frames" to prevent audio sync issues.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23314645 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:52:50 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23311273 ophelus : I'm happy to report that the 4500mhd now successfully tackles just about anything..

My system is still the same but now with the new
K-Lite Codec pack 5_40

I am seeing 20-40% CPU usage across the board for any x264 the thing in that codec pack that seems to make it work is something new called "DXVA" sometype of hardware based encoding for GPU is my understanding.. I tested even my toughest file princess bride and it didn't break a sweat past 40% cpu.. really 20% is average on my dual core 2.0 ghz

In my new testing with my laptop the only thing I found causing me some headaches 80% cpu + where some .mts files from blueray rip's.. and some actually worked in "DXVA" and ran at a base of 20-40%]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23311273 Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:15:01 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23073890 ophelus : 720p is easy on the 4500mhd.. If I had to guess 25% or less would be right.. 1080p without jutters or lag is a maybe.. I would not expect miracles.. I have a 15 Gb MKV of "the princess bride" that I throw at anything I want to test.. and more than likely even with windows 7 now on my lappy it would still fail..

I upgrade recently my desktop to a phenom II x4 50 and I was shocked to see my cpu with the above movie is like 2% (course I was running vista x64 at the time) now that I'm running windows 7 x64.. it's 33%? Well.. weird.. (too bad I didn't take a screenshot.. I'm guessing windows 7 not optimized properly :( )]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23073890 Thu, 24 Sep 2009 05:26:28 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23047887 Matt : I have since read that the 4500MHD and the X4500HD are two completely different chips, with the 4500MHD being terribly underpowered. That could be why I didn't have problems but the OP did.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23047887 Fri, 18 Sep 2009 21:02:39 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23046743 hakujin : update anyone? I'm about to upgrade to an Acer Timeline 4810 with extremely skimpy cpu (Intel ULV 1.3Ghz SU2700) but with Intel GMA 4500MHD. 1080p is def. a bonus, but I wanted to make sure I could get 720p x264 in matroska container playback with DXVA utilizing the Cyberlink h.264 codec in Vista Premium? If it works, even with the skimpy processor I'm anticipating under 25% cpu utilization during playback, based off what I've read. Can anyone concur?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23046743 Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:00:49 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22829158 BF69 :

said by Matt

:

Although I didn't have Quicktime installed, I just installed and tested it with Transformers Revenge of the Fallen 1080p and my CPU bounced between 25% and 40%, mainly in the low 30% area, while playing it full screen. It was perfectly smooth.

WOW the blu-ray is out while it's still in the theaters?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22829158 Fri, 07 Aug 2009 01:31:51 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22827845 anon : I got it working with a pure codec pack with cyberlink (DXVA) as the H.264 decoder & windows media player as the player. I had to manually associate windows media player with .MTS files (1080p) H2.644 files I had. I have windows vita 64 but used the 32 bit codec pack & 32 bit windows media player. I can watch the v1080p video on intel 4500MHD (GM45) with just 25% cpu util now & no pauses & perfect lip synch!!!! Hope this will help all the other intel 4500 MHD owners.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22827845 Thu, 06 Aug 2009 20:41:26 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22764174 Matt :

said by ophelus

:

Yah, I've about given up.. I'm lost likely going to get a new laptop w/ dedicated video.. some of my 1080p's still pause.. but I will certainly given windows7 a try to see if it's better..

Just FYI, but unless they've changed the drivers between build 7100 (the release candidate) and the RTM build, I had a ton of trouble with this card and Windows 7. So much so that I went back to Vista on my HTPC. Intel has officially released Windows 7 drivers that I haven't tried (I'm waiting on native Netflix integration like Vista has), but just a warning that it may not be the holy grail fix. I do think it's worth a shot though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22764174 Sat, 25 Jul 2009 10:14:45 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22763688 ophelus : Yah, I've about given up.. I'm lost likely going to get a new laptop w/ dedicated video.. some of my 1080p's still pause.. but I will certainly given windows7 a try to see if it's better..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22763688 Sat, 25 Jul 2009 04:24:34 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22671198 lafaze :

said by Matt

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The G45 was released in mid-2008. So if Intel was asked to provide the spec in September and there was something working in March, I'd say that's pretty damn good. Especially since nVidia won't open source their drivers at all. The page you linked to details that an Intel engineer himself fixed the problem.

No if you read them carefully. 1st post is MPCHC open source people asking for technical details to get the hardware to work in Sep 2008. Also again Nvidia and ATI disclosure has been more open that why open source has gotten h264 to work correctly.

"So my question is : does Intel use a specific protocol for bitstream decoder, and if so is it possible to have the specifications?"

Feb 2009 is when a Intel person finally responded to that request, and March 2009 is when Eric of Intel with the help of the open source MPCHC people got it working. NOTICE: It was Eric of intel doing all the work, while the open source people just provided technical help in regards to open source MPCHC, and not the other way around, again to what I suspect to keep Intel "trade" secrets.

So September, Oct, Nov, Dec 2008, January, February 2009. Several months of idle in 2008, 2009, finally a response in 2009? Not exactly responsive, the same MPCHC people coded ATI and Nvidia h264 hardware stuff for their open source player months ahead of time. If open source people can do Ati and Nvidia that fast and they aren't paid, then why can't Intel be more responsive. In fact if for Eric's generosity and whim, there would be no non commercial 264 acceleration.

Also the fact, that intel person said XP wouldn't be supported, limits the options of people who has issues with Vista. I don't know the technical details, but my daughter XP machine with the nvidia integrated runs h264 acceleration fine and that chip was released earlier than the 4500 mhd so I don't think it a technical. I suspect HDCP rules again.....Intel and Microsoft with HDCP can be scary. And yes, there were people like me trying to get h264 to work right without luck in 2008 and even now because the 4500 mhd h264 is far from perfect.

I have not installed windows 7 RC on the labtop b/c I don't like the hassle of switching or dual booting a computer. But if windows 7 runs h264 acceleration well for the 4500 mhd like some people posting on forums say, then Intel has a real double standard on how they treat their commercial (Microsoft, cyberlink) and open source counterparts in regards technical disclosure. I don't know why you are defending Intel or doubting what I am saying because they you sticking it to you and me. So yes I am frustrated with intel.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22671198 Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:57:30 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22669461 Matt : The G45 was released in mid-2008. So if Intel was asked to provide the spec in September and there was something working in March, I'd say that's pretty damn good. Especially since nVidia won't open source their drivers at all. The page you linked to details that an Intel engineer himself fixed the problem.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22669461 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:34:13 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22669111 lafaze :

said by Matt

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Intel has been VERY good about open sourcing their work. If there's nothing out there for the 4500, the open source community just hasn't written it.

I disagree. MCPHC people asking intel for specification to add hardware acceleration in September 2008.

»software.intel.com/en-us/forums/···c/60703/

Eric of intel finally in March 2009, after only starting in September after many months, with MCPHC peoples help, finally enabled vista exclusive non commerical h264 acceleration.

»software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2···h264avc/

Thus, there was no non commerical hardware acceleration support until March 2009 because of Intel lack of disclosure in accordance to HDCP(created by intel itself). On the other hand, intel's commercial partners, privy to technical access, were able to quickly put out hardware acceleration supported software like cyberlink.

So lack of hardware acceleration was not because of lack of effort of the open source community, but because lack of Intel openness with the technical detail for h264 acceleration due to Intel following very stringent HDCP rules. In contrast, open source writers working with ATI and Nvidia, did not have the same coding problem given that ATI and Nvidia were very loose with technical disclosure and HDCP rules.

So why am I taking my time writing this? Having a HDTV in the family room, I chose specifically a labtop with 4500 mhd with "264 hardware acceleration" and hdmi to play hi def. When it didn't work properly b/c of decisions by intel, of course I was disappointed in intel.

It might be their technical and legal right to do whatever they want with their product, but it seems wrong to the consumer that a key feature of a product is not working because of things like HDCP. Also forcing consumer to buy commercial software to enable a advertised feature while they get their act together seems to state that intel priorities are not their consumers but again their commercial partners.. Again their right, but yeah...

I still have very inconsistent h264 acceleration using a combination of MPCHC dxva and cyberlink h264 plug in, despite taking many hours looking at forums to get the dang thing to work. In contrast, my daughter's cheap desktop integrated nvidia 8100 mGPU with just free MPCHC and no commercial software plays h264 material with flying colors avoiding the intel headache I have. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22669111 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:22:57 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22665705 Matt : Intel has been VERY good about open sourcing their work. If there's nothing out there for the 4500, the open source community just hasn't written it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22665705 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:02:37 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22663686 lafaze :

said by Matt

said by lafaze

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Hey Matt, could you tell me about those bios updates for the 4500hd cards. I have a 4500 mhd and I also having trouble with hd playback. Thanks ahead of time

That sucks for me. Sony is pretty bad about updating their drivers even, not alone their bios which is nonexistant. I had to uninstall the Sony custom video driver which they never update just to install Intel site's updated graphics drivers. I been working on it, and I managed to get hardware acceleration in MCPHC using h264 cyberlink external video filter because I have a copy of Power DVD. The problem is it works for some MKV and others not. I hoped that new bios updates would allow all my h264 files to be hardware accelerated.

I just bought the windows 7 preorder partly for the native h264 support and also because vista in general is pissing me off to no end. IF intel wasn't so secretive and stubborn about the releasing the 4500mhd technical detail to open source people (instead of just exclusively their commercial partners like Cyberlink) I wouldn't need to go through this shit because open source would be able to take care of it; like how MCPHC people have been able to create hardware accelerated video decoders for nvidia and ati card users. All well, i hope my experience in windows 7 will be better.

IF someone has a better solution for hardware acceleration for 4500hd or mhd than using the h264 cyberlink filter, please post it. What player you are using? What codec? How did you set it up? It would be much appreciated. I already know about ffshow and core avc and they aren't enough for 1080 p videos sometimes because it still all cpu.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22663686 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:14:20 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22662659 Matt : Have you tried the QuickTime Alternative? If you don't have the latest Quicktime, that may be why. You need a specific version so the 4500HD can utilize its hardware decoding engine.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22662659 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:13:03 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22662533 ophelus :

said by Matt

:

It sounds to me like HP needs to fix your onboard card unfortunately.

You’re probably right.. all laptop manufacturers are likely not even paying attention to Intel patching of these poor performance problems.. I may re-try the video with k-lite but there ain't no way I be putting lastest quicktime on.. :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22662533 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:50:46 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22660285 Matt :

said by lafaze

:

Hey Matt, could you tell me about those bios updates for the 4500hd cards. I have a 4500 mhd and I also having trouble with hd playback. Thanks ahead of time

The BIOS updates have to come from the motherboard or laptop manufacturer. They are not updates for the card directly unfortunately. Intel has been great about pushing out BIOS updates for my Intel branded board and X4500HD, but it's taken somewhere on the order of 10-15 BIOS updates since the board was released last October or so to get it working as promised.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22660285 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:16:05 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22660260 lafaze : Hey Matt, could you tell me about those bios updates for the 4500hd cards. I have a 4500 mhd and I also having trouble with hd playback. Thanks ahead of time]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22660260 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:11:26 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22660023 Matt : It sounds to me like HP needs to fix your onboard card unfortunately.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22660023 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 09:20:42 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22659510 ophelus : I downloaded a 154 mb 1080p transformers2 trailer that did not take up the fullscreen.. had black bars.. it lagged badly in the quicktime I had but in windows media player with the codecs suggested in the beginning of the thread it seemed to do fine.. however my processor was anywhere from 37% to 100% during its run I'd say the average was 60-80%.. I didn't see any lost frames for my own test.. (I still have not popped on coreavc/k-lite and wonder if that might have helped with the processor time.. as I was surprised at the usage)

This was tested again via VGA cable to a 1080p 40" HDTV with my laptop lid closed..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22659510 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 03:07:02 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651255 Matt : Do a bit of research on the chip though. You need to make sure the drivers and BIOS for the laptop you want are mature. I had NON-STOP trouble with mine stuttering with video (even just DTV from my TV card) until I realized Intel released several BIOS and driver revisions to address the onboard card. Since May, I think they've released 3 new BIOS revisions and the board/chipset is over to 6 months old now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651255 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:51:04 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650788 ophelus :

said by gate1975mlm

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Cool! :)

Reason I asked was because I am thinking about getting a labtop with maybe a Intel 4500MHD and I want to be sure I can play the 1080P Quicktime trailers :) Wont be gaming at all on the laptop.

I'll check it for you too give me a little time :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650788 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:15:32 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22649789 gate1975mlm :

said by Matt

said by gate1975mlm

said by Matt

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I have an X4500HD (same model as you, different name) on a DG45ID board in my HTPC and I can play x264 1080p content just fine. What codec pack are you using?

I use ffdshow-tryouts. When I play 1080p content my wimpy Pentium Dual-Core 2.5Ghz sits at 5%-10% usage on Vista. Update to the latest driver from Intel, uninstall all codec packs, reboot, install ffdshow-tryouts and let me know if that helps. Are you playing MKV? If so, install the haali media splitter too.

But can you also play the Quicktime 1080P Trailers in the "Quicktime player" On your Pentium Dual-Core 2.5Ghz X4500HD PC with no frame loss?

Cool! :)

Reason I asked was because I am thinking about getting a labtop with maybe a Intel 4500MHD and I want to be sure I can play the 1080P Quicktime trailers :) Wont be gaming at all on the laptop.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22649789 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:19:40 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22649767 Matt :

said by gate1975mlm

said by Matt

But can you also play the Quicktime 1080P Trailers in the "Quicktime player" On your Pentium Dual-Core 2.5Ghz X4500HD PC with no frame loss?

Although I didn't have Quicktime installed, I just installed and tested it with Transformers Revenge of the Fallen 1080p and my CPU bounced between 25% and 40%, mainly in the low 30% area, while playing it full screen. It was perfectly smooth.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22649767 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:14:10 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22649391 gate1975mlm :

said by Matt

But can you also play the Quicktime 1080P Trailers in the "Quicktime player" On your Pentium Dual-Core 2.5Ghz X4500HD PC with no frame loss?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22649391 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:46:09 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22648984 Matt :

said by ophelus

:

Here's some additional info.. I learned..

I got the same crappy frame rates again.. and I didn't understand why.. but turns out in the case of my laptop if the cover is open.. it's shooting the video to the screen even though it's off??

So in my case I have to when hooking it up to a true 1080p monitor this is via VGA cable not DVI (I have DVI but hdtv's DVI sucks ass so not using it)

I have to weirdly have the laptop screen down to not get jerky video.. I have not done extensive testing yet.. my main movie for testing was "Ghost Town"

I was also interested in the 4500mhd as gaming chipset and ran a test against my older agp 3.0 ghz 64 mb ati system.. and it's gaming test was worse or pretty bad.. (this was a light gaming test.. Sam and Max Season 1)

It sure does sound to me like you have graphic driver problems. Here is an article where they benchmark the 4500HD against the Radeon 4830.

See this review from HardOCP: »www.viddler.com/explore/HardOCP/videos/17/

I had to update the BIOS and the drivers from Intel to fix this issue.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22648984 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 10:18:32 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22648545 ophelus : Here's some additional info.. I learned..

I got the same crappy frame rates again.. and I didn't understand why.. but turns out in the case of my laptop if the cover is open.. it's shooting the video to the screen even though it's off??

So in my case I have to when hooking it up to a true 1080p monitor this is via VGA cable not DVI (I have DVI but hdtv's DVI sucks ass so not using it)

I have to weirdly have the laptop screen down to not get jerky video.. I have not done extensive testing yet.. my main movie for testing was "Ghost Town"

I was also interested in the 4500mhd as gaming chipset and ran a test against my older agp 3.0 ghz 64 mb ati system.. and it's gaming test was worse or pretty bad.. (this was a light gaming test.. Sam and Max Season 1)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22648545 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 05:18:54 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22644987 Inflex : Divx 7 supports mkv, why not just use that?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22644987 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:57:08 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22639482 amungus : Glad to hear HD on these chips is working! I've been very curious about this little chip. Not a ton of info on how well it can handle full HD video that I can find.

BUT, I found this looking up info on the 4500mhd... Might be helpful to look over.

»nunnally.ahmygoddess.net/watchin···ng-dxva/

...they also suggest the "haali media splitter" on that page...

Seems it's possible to get hardware h.264 acceleration out of those chips, capable of 1080p, even with a relatively weak processor (the dual 2.0, however, should be PLENTY in this case, it's more dependent on the GPU usually).

I've been looking at laptops recently, and this is promising to hear that people are getting 1080p to work out of these little GPUs. Wondering now if a low powered Acer Timeline can handle HD video... Might still look into a laptop w/dedicated GPU to be sure - just torn b/w that and the Timeline due to super battery life.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22639482 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:31:03 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22636207 Matt : Excellent. K-Lite is a good codec pack that's been around for a while. ffdshow-tryouts + haali media splitter will play almost everything out there and is a bit cleaner, so you can't go wrong either way. I just prefer to keep unnecessary codecs off my system.

Regardless, I'm glad you got it sorted out!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22636207 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:18:36 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22636025 ophelus : Well it seems like a BIOS update.. fixed my major problems.. my test movie is no longer jerky on the sections it was before.. and while I still have frame rate loss and out of sync issues.. (like do to fast forwarding) it resyncs within 1-5 minutes..

Now maybe I'll try playing a straight .mts (guessing it will be laggy.. got the blueray "Into the Bluy" playing nicely though)

I had problems before playing the .mts of "Lakeview Terrance" and while I guess that problem still exists.. I will have to double check.. but basically 1080p x264 thus far = good.. and I'm guessing I can even throw on k-lite now and that's not big deal vs. your suggested codecs..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22636025 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:38:54 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22634900 ophelus : Coreavc is in k-lite.. not necessary.. I can't purchase a video card.. I have no choice but to get a new laptop w/ a decent gpu.. once I've done the last few tests..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22634900 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:07:06 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22634708 Matt :

said by cvrefugee

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He can try the trial version of CoreAVC and see if there's improvement. I know it has worked for other people trying to play 1080p files, even with older hardware.

Absolutely. I'd recommend he give it a shot before purchasing a video card too.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22634708 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:34:12 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22634697 cvrefugee : He can try the trial version of CoreAVC and see if there's improvement. I know it has worked for other people trying to play 1080p files, even with older hardware.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22634697 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:32:21 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22634673 Matt :

said by cvrefugee

said by Matt

said by cvrefugee

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»www.coreavc.com/

CoreAVC isn't going to fix choppy video. It's a fast codec, but not fast enough to resolve his issues I doubt.

It allowed me to play 720p .mkv files on an old P4 system that were previously unwatchable with VLC. It's a great codec and I guarantee the OP will see improvement with it.

720p is not 1080p. The OP has much more serious issues trying to play 1080p. CoreAVC won't take choppy video and out of sync audio and suddenly make it smooth unless the previous codecs he was trying to use are not up to task. The ffdshow codecs are perfectly suited to play 1080p video smoothly. I play 1080p on the same video card as the OP, using the ffdshow codecs, with a slower processor so there is no reason his system should exhibit the behavior that it does. CoreAVC may provide a 5% or 10% improvement, but 5% or 10% won't fix the issues he is describing.

I'm not saying CoreAVC isn't a great codec, but his money would be much better invested in a new video card than spending $15 for a codec.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22634673 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:28:25 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22634641 cvrefugee :

said by Matt

said by cvrefugee

:

»www.coreavc.com/

CoreAVC isn't going to fix choppy video. It's a fast codec, but not fast enough to resolve his issues I doubt.

It allowed me to play 720p .mkv files on an old P4 system that were previously unwatchable with VLC. It's a great codec and I guarantee the OP will see improvement with it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22634641 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:23:43 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22634608 Matt :

said by cvrefugee

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»www.coreavc.com/

CoreAVC isn't going to fix choppy video. It's a fast codec, but not fast enough to resolve his issues I doubt.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22634608 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:18:16 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22634607 Matt :

said by ophelus

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Well, there is a BIOS update among others.. I'll give that and your codec pack a try shortly..

The BIOS update may be promising. MOst reviews of the 4500HD card revised their updated (terrible performance) after a BIOS was released. Once they updated the new BIOS, it solves their problems.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22634607 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:17:45 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22634507 cvrefugee : »www.coreavc.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22634507 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:04:59 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22634238 ophelus : Well, there is a BIOS update among others.. I'll give that and your codec pack a try shortly..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22634238 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:23:46 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22632936 Matt : That is odd, I have a setting on my Intel board that allows me to tell it how much RAM to dedicate to the card. I have issues if I set it below 256MB, so I'm wondering if that is perhaps your issue as we have the same card.

1080p on a P4 without some sort of GPU offload (which a 64MB Radeon definitely wouldn't support) will never happen, but on your 4500 it should be possible. However, being an HP, perhaps they disabled that BIOS option.

There is one last thing you can try that I had good luck with. Download the Vista Codec Pack and install it. Make sure to uninstall any other codec packs first. Then open it as Administrator, go to the H264 tab and enable DXVA. If that doesn't work I'd explore a dedicated GPU.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22632936 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:24:18 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22632432 ophelus : There is no way to allocate ram in the BIOS.. according to the spec's 768 mb of ram can be dynamically allocated whatever that means..

I am consistently having playback problems of 1080p on lower end machines.. I can't get a 3.0 ghz p4 w/ 64 mb ati card to do it either.. however my quad core q6600 w/ 9600gt is fine..

My test movie.. paused at various scenes and was fine at others.. of course when it paused.. the audio went out of sync.. as usual.. and some frames were lost..

I have tried my manufacturer’s driver and the latest which says 04/2009 or so but dates as 12/2008 in device manager..

I assume unless you have any other suggestions.. it’s time to call it what it is which is just not possible.. with the 4500mhd and I need a decent gpu..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22632432 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 05:29:10 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22627071 Matt :

said by ophelus

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Nope.. still skips.. may be less worse now..

I guess if you want me to be clear.. I'm playing it on a 1080p HDTV.. but it doesn't even seem to resize without skipping..

You definitely have something else going on because I play 1080p MKV and Blu-Ray (both discs and M2TS files) without issue. How much RAM have you allocated to the card through the BIOS?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22627071 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:37:07 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22626655 ophelus : Nope.. still skips.. may be less worse now..

I guess if you want me to be clear.. I'm playing it on a 1080p HDTV.. but it doesn't even seem to resize without skipping..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22626655 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 02:42:17 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22624168 howie : Your processor/RAM are certainly capable. I'm guessing it's your onboard video that's the bottleneck here. Many times, only the most expensive high-end multimedia notebooks (such as those with BD players/burners) excel at playing these.

[EDIT] According to Intel, the 4500MHD is capable of playing 1080p and BD stuff, so I guess the codec thing just might be your issue. Keep us informed. :-)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22624168 Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:39:05 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22623178 Matt :

said by ophelus

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I typically use k-lite.. yes playing mkv.. sometimes I try straight blue-ray content via .mts and I pause on that too..

Trying removing all your codec packs and installing the two I mentioned.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22623178 Sun, 28 Jun 2009 09:05:06 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22622921 ophelus : I typically use k-lite.. yes playing mkv.. sometimes I try straight blue-ray content via .mts and I pause on that too..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22622921 Sun, 28 Jun 2009 04:32:55 EDT Re: x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22619991 Matt : I have an X4500HD (same model as you, different name) on a DG45ID board in my HTPC and I can play x264 1080p content just fine. What codec pack are you using?

I use ffdshow-tryouts. When I play 1080p content my wimpy Pentium Dual-Core 2.5Ghz sits at 5%-10% usage on Vista. Update to the latest driver from Intel, uninstall all codec packs, reboot, install ffdshow-tryouts and let me know if that helps. Are you playing MKV? If so, install the haali media splitter too.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22619991 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 10:57:23 EDT x264 and Intel 4500MHD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22619363 ophelus : I got me a hp dv5 w/ 4500MHD chipset.. it's dual core 2.0 ghz, 4 gb ram.. vista 64 bit..

The problem is it can play x264 decently if it's 720p.. but if it's 1080p they skip go out of sync etc.. I've tried different codec packs and drivers for the 4500MHD but neither seems to make a dent in good playback..

The only thing I was thinking the other day was maybe if I went back to xp.. it would lower the overhead and maybe they'd play without skipping..

Anyone have advice.. is this laptop just too underpowered.. I need a onboard GPU/gaming card?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22619363 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 03:30:32 EDT