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Re: 2009 VW Jetta TDI or 2009 Toyota Prius
said by PolarBear  : They have no throttle body or ignition. All modern emissions legal diesels have throttles.
A throttle is necessary in part to make the EGR function correctly.
The following is a quick list of controls used on a modern diesel:
Exhaust fuel injector
Throttle body
EGR valve
High flow EGR cooler and bypass valve
Urea injector, Urea tank and Pump
Piezo injectors plus high voltage driver module
De-NOx catalyst
Catalyst
Diesel Particulate Filter (in exhaust)
Wide-band O2 sesnors
Pressure Differential sensors
EGTs
Electronically controlled high pressure mechanical fuel pump
Turbocharger with electrically controlled variable vane mechanism (an integral part of the system)
Low-compression (relatively speaking - among diesels)
Image of exhaust system - post turbos
PLEASE NOTE:
None of this means that I am talking s**t about Diesels.
What has been done of late is an incredible technical achievement. The point is that terms such as 'simple' do not apply to new diesels.
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Jim Gurd
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said by Fobulous :Because when i drive Gasoline engine vehicle Super Premium is what i put in it.. Unless your vehicle knocks on regular you are wasting your money paying extra for premium. The octane rating is the measurement of a fuel's resistance to detonation. If it doesn't detonate on 87 octane then you can use it without a problem and save the extra cost of premium because premium will offer you no benefit whatsoever.
The only exception to this rule is for vehicles equipped with a knock sensor. My Subaru Impreza WRX has one and calls for premium fuel. I can run 87 octane and it will retard the ignition timing to prevent knock. If I run premium the engine will automatically detect and adjust the timing to take advantage of the higher octane fuel.
The bottom line is that if your car doesn't have a knock sensor and it runs well on 87 octane you don't need premium, period. If you do have some knocking try going with 89 octane and see if that makes a difference. It's still less per gallon than the cost of premium. Most people who buy premium don't need it.
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Nemokrad
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Miami, FL | reply to Fobulous
You also get a $1300 tax credit with the Jetta TDI: »www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/taxLeanBurn.shtml |
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matt5
join:2001-10-06
Lagrangeville, NY
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Lot of miss information here.
First off a 09 diesel vs 09 gas the diesel is either as complicated or more under the hood. Everything now is electronically controlled just like a gas motor. The idea is simple, making it work now is not. Don't forget all the emission junk as well on a diesel now.
Their is a learning curve for a diesel, not much but still.
Gas, get in, turn key, go.
Diesel, get in, glow plug, wait, start. Cold weather (this may not matter for the OP) either plug it in at night or crank the everliving hell out of it and hope she starts. Few people I know run covers on their diesels in the winter to keep them warmer. Winter the fuel is "watered" down to help prevent gelling, etc, etc.
Regenerative breaking is 100% a free ride, and it will save on brakes as the electric motor will do the breaking (to a point) and turn the inertia of the car into electric rather than heat.
As glow plugs have been said, diesels do have an ignition, and you will never start one when cold with out. They do go bad, and need to be replaced as well as the relay that controls them.
Truckers use diesel motors because of the great low end torque, the greater power per unit of fuel, among other things. If you took a gas motor for pure hauling I'm sure you will get a ton of miles on it too, remember highway driving is much easier on a vehicle than city.
Diesel fuel where I am in NY was about 1$ a gallon more last year than gas, almost hit $5/gallon. Might have even hit 5$/gallon. I believe right now it's about the same price as regular.
Bottom line if you are going to do a large amount of city driving, the hybrid is going to work out well because of all the stop and go. If you do a large amount of highway, check out the diesel or maybe a non hybrid. You do not need to be a rocket scientist to drive a diesel but it is different than a gas. |
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PolarBear
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Not to argue for either vehicle, but diesel engines are inherently simpler. They have no throttle body or ignition. Also, diesel engines do last much longer than gasoline engines.
There's a big reason why the trucking industry uses diesel engines - my last Freightliner had 833,000 miles on it (original engine). Ran like a champ.
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dirtyjeffer
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Nissan is about the only brand really pushing CVT's, and their popularity is partially due to the fact that if you don't take a manual transmission, you get their CVT.
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3SGTE
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said by dirtyjeffer :snip Re-read my post.
Stop and consider what "ratio ... is varied continuously" might mean. My post describes transmission operation and construction.
Other manufacturers have mild hybrids that couple a conventional (metalbelt type CVT) with a small electric motor. This method is not used for the Prius.
As for the "most people don't like CVTs" statement, that is ridiculous. Many manufacturers have successful CVT models.
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markwp2001
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If long term reliability is a factor, there is no doubt that Toyotas, generally, are much more reliable than Volkswagens.
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dirtyjeffer
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hey, don't get me wrong...the freestyle is a good vehicle, and received strong reviews, but in terms of sales, it (and the Five Hundred) were a flop...it is why they re-labaled them as the Taurus, and why they have a completely new model coming in as we speak...and the "X" version has been dropped...not because it wasn't any good, but because it wasn't selling.
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comp
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from reading around the net the freestyle did quite well for the 3-4 years it was around. it never had a shot though once ford released the edge |
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dirtyjeffer
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said by comp :freestyle's sold very well and are still around under the taurus label. the five hundred was a POS freestyle's did not sell very well, and while they did relabel it the Taurus X, it has also been discontinued and is not made anymore...the Five Hundred is the same car, so it can't be a POS (and was rated fairly well)...the current Taurus (which is also about to be completely replaced) is nothing more than the Five Hundred with a new grill and powertrain...the new Taurus however, is completely revised, inside and out.
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comp
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freestyle's sold very well and are still around under the taurus label. the five hundred was a POS |
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dirtyjeffer
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yea, despite their great reviews, remind me again how well the Five Hundred and Freestyle sold again??  |
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comp
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my wifes CVT in her freestyle i like alot. I have a 6-speed auto and it is eh |
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dirtyjeffer
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said by dennismurphy :Now I have an '08 Ford Fusion with a traditional automatic, and it's OK, but I actually enjoyed driving the CVT! you are the minority...even the Nissan Maxima with the CVT is getting it listed as in the "CONS" side...it might be one of those things that people warm up to, but the word is verdict is still out on CVT's and whether they are better or not.
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dennismurphy
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said by dirtyjeffer : Ford also used them for a couple of models in their Five Hundred and Freestyle models over the last couple of years, but dropped them and went back to an automatic transmission. .... which is a shame. I had a Ford Freestyle with the CVT in it, and it was great. No concerns at all - and a much "simpler" transmission in terms of moving parts.
Long-term reliability 20 years down the road TBD, but it was fun while I had it.
Now I have an '08 Ford Fusion with a traditional automatic, and it's OK, but I actually enjoyed driving the CVT! |
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Fobulous
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Because when i drive Gasoline engine vehicle Super Premium is what i put in it.. |
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dirtyjeffer
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here is some info on mythbusters "Diesel Diaries"...now, it might be an "ad" of sorts for the vehicle, but its points are true.
»dsc.discovery.com/videos/mythbus···diaries/
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