SquareSlinky
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join:2004-05-25
Tampa, FL | reply to cbrain
Re: Anyone sucessfully switched from PPPoE to DHCP?
I have the actiontech now, but no DHCP.
A few years back they were switching people, but did stop. I heard that as well. |
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Lee GWB
Yaco
Premium
join:2001-10-13
Allendale, NJ
 ·Verizon Online DSL
1 edit | reply to cbrain
Hi,
At one point they started to. I have tried 3 times and once the rebuilt the circuit and it went back to PPPOE.
The last too times I was denied. I think it is too much trouble to switch everyone and they may only do it if the go from new install or BPON to GPON. That is just an assumption.
Lee |
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meb
join:2002-12-12
Potomac, MD | reply to cbrain
I remember reading about some regions that were changed. I think they let users sign on either way. Did Verizon require a disconnect - reconnect for any of these? |
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celtic
join:2001-02-08
USA
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Why does Verizon make this so difficult?
It would seem they could add whatever credentials they use to authenticate the account to the DHCP server, have the user change their router and the account is now DHCP. If they need to, they could then remove the user from the PPPoE system. Am I missing something? |
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Smith6612
Premium
join:2008-02-01
united state
 ·Dish Network
·Verizon Online DSL
·FrontierNet Intern..
| Well, that's most of what has to go on. Because PPPoE goes over the ATM system and DHCP does not, Verizon has to mess around with your circuit as well so that it goes through a different circuit, and that's where the wait takes place. Correct me if I'm wrong...
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Flizesh
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join:2003-08-16
Staten Island, NY
clubs: | reply to cbrain
I'm still on PPPoE and don't mind it so much. Easier to get a new IP if needed this way. |
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danclan
join:2005-11-01
Midlothian, VA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| said by Flizesh  :I'm still on PPPoE and don't mind it so much. Easier to get a new IP if needed this way. True the bigger difference is that there is extra cpu required by your router. The payload overhead is trivial but there is cpu overhead, though with the routers on the market today it should be trivial...should being key word.... |
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celtic
join:2001-02-08
USA
| reply to Flizesh
said by Flizesh :I'm still on PPPoE and don't mind it so much. Easier to get a new IP if needed this way. Other than changing your identity, I can't think of a single advantage to getting a new IP. Allowing others to go DHCP won't hurt you. |
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cbrain
join:2000-05-21
Silver Spring, MD
 ·VoicePulse for Bus..
·Verizon FIOS
 ·Comcast
·Future Nine Corpor..
·VoiceStick
·Packet8
| reply to cbrain
I've already made the decision to move from PPPoE to DHCP. I never even considered PPPoE for DSL because I had options. I ordered FiOS at the time because I understood we would be switched to DHCP. I should have waited a year. Any discussion of the relative merits of PPPoE vs DHCP belong in another thread. I'm trying to figure the best way to make my move and it looks like many others want the same thing. |
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birdfeedr
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-11
Warwick, RI
·Verizon FIOS
| said by cbrain :Any discussion of the relative merits of PPPoE vs DHCP belong in another thread. I'm trying to figure the best way to make my move and it looks like many others want the same thing. You got your answer in the 2nd reply. All the rest is relative merits.
Hey! A two-fer! 
Note the use of the smiley. Lighten up a little. |
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tp0d
yabbazooie
Premium
join:2001-02-13
Carnegie, PA
clubs:
·Verizon FIOS
| Tried Verizon Direct on here? mebe they can help..
otherwise, when you call into the FSC, ask for the 'elite' support group. they know their stuff..
i agree with the others, a disconnect/reconnect looks imminent here.
good luck
-j
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currently on FiOS (kick aZZ!) |
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cbrain
join:2000-05-21
Silver Spring, MD
·VoicePulse for Bus..
·Verizon FIOS
·Comcast
·Future Nine Corpor..
·VoiceStick
·Packet8
| good luck ... Thanks!
Isn't this interesting. We have this marvelous Verizon network and what could be a simple transition. A company capable of building such a network but incapable of executing this simple switch? We offer "good luck" like its a game of chance. Even Verizon expects a problem.
Would anyone offer me a "good luck" when I go to turn on or off a light?
I did try Verizon Direct. They were better than any other Verizon rep, but I am here. I will try the 'elite' support group. Thanks. |
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NY Tel
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join:2004-04-09
Smithtown, NY
·VOIPo
| said by cbrain :good luck ... Thanks! Isn't this interesting. We have this marvelous Verizon network and what could be a simple transition. A company capable of building such a network but incapable of executing this simple switch? We offer "good luck" like its a game of chance. Even Verizon expects a problem. Would anyone offer me a "good luck" when I go to turn on or off a light? I did try Verizon Direct. They were better than any other Verizon rep, but I am here. I will try the 'elite' support group. Thanks. Good luck. |
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tp0d
yabbazooie
Premium
join:2001-02-13
Carnegie, PA
clubs:
·Verizon FIOS
| reply to cbrain
said by cbrain :good luck ... Thanks! Would anyone offer me a "good luck" when I go to turn on or off a light? Depends on who wired your house.
Comparing a cutting-edge internet service to a lightswitch is like apples to oranges.. not even close to the same.
VZ definitely has some billing/backend system issues, but thats to be expected with any company of this size. I`m sure comcast has their share of hardware and/or billing system issues. (i`m certainly not making excuses here also). But it does make sense that a major change in the routing of your connection may have to happen with a change from pppoe to dhcp, as mentioned before, pppoe uses ATM, where dhcp does not.
i dunno... hope u can get some movement..
again good luck :]
-j
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More Fiber
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join:2005-09-26
West Chester, PA
·Bay Area Internet ..
| said by tp0d :pppoe uses ATM, where DHCP does not. That's not accurate.
If you're on BPON, then you have ATM to the CO, while GPON is gig-E. PPPoE or DHCP are higher level authentication protocols that run over either. I'm on BPON (ATM) with DHCP.
What you get is determined by what was deployed when your CO was built. |
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tp0d
yabbazooie
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join:2001-02-13
Carnegie, PA
clubs:
1 edit | ... nevermind |
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cbrain
join:2000-05-21
Silver Spring, MD
·VoicePulse for Bus..
·Verizon FIOS
·Comcast
·Future Nine Corpor..
·VoiceStick
·Packet8
| reply to NY Tel
said by NY Tel :Good luck.
... Thanks!
I think the current odds are 4 to 1 ... against. |
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NY Tel
Premium
join:2004-04-09
Smithtown, NY
·VOIPo
| I too have PPPoE and was installed early. 15 day later, they switched all new installs to DHCP.
I can't be bothered changing for fear of billing hell and don't want to spend my days fighting the phone company.
My neighbor had her credit card expire and they cut her off one day. She called them up and got her service back the same day and now she is on DHCP.
Sometimes you just can't plan this stuff. |
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cdru
Go Colts
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
| reply to cbrain
said by cbrain :1. I log into several systems that use IP authentication. DHCP offers a much more stable IP. Neither is inherently more stable then the other. Both have mechanisms to reacquire the same IP address. Both have the ability to force an IP address to change if required when a lease times out. I've had both from Verizon with either DSL or with FiOS and both VERY rarely change but they have changed with either technology. If you are using any type of authentication that requires your IP address to be semi-static, you will have the exact same issues either way.
2. Why waste the overhead, no matter how insignificant, for an inferior system. You are reducing the data payload 8 bytes of a 1500 byte maximum, or 1/2 of 1% of the total capacity. Your line isn't absolutely provisioned for exactly 10/2, 20/5 or whatever your subscribed plan is. It's more of a soft limit that you'll usually bounce around sometimes a little more or sometimes a little less. "Wasting" or not wasting 8 bytes will have ZERO noticeable effect on your throughput of a 10+mbit connection.
There's no problem with wanting DHCP or PPPoE and I'm not trying to discourage you from switching if you want. It's your prerogative. I'm just trying to state factual information. |
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cbrain
join:2000-05-21
Silver Spring, MD
·VoicePulse for Bus..
·Verizon FIOS
·Comcast
·Future Nine Corpor..
·VoiceStick
·Packet8
| said by cdru :Neither is inherently more stable then the other. Both have mechanisms to reacquire the same IP address. Both have the ability to force an IP address to change if required when a lease times out. ... While this may be technically true ... it absolutely does not work that way in the real world. At least in any area I've worked. Can you come up with any real advantage to PPPoE for the end user?
How much real difference will most of the new speeds make on a residential connection? Isn't it up to each user to make their own choice?
There's no problem with wanting DHCP or PPPoE and I'm not trying to discourage you from switching if you want. It's your prerogative. I'm just trying to state factual information.
Thanks. |
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