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2 edits | [Mossberg] New Mac Laptops Use Batteries Sealed for Power
Interesting discussion about the shift towards non-removable batteries.
quote: New Mac Laptops Use Batteries Sealed for Power June 25, 2009 by Walter S. Mossberg
The majority of laptop computers come with removable batteries. This approach allows you to pop in a fresh spare when your battery runs out of juice between charges, and to easily replace a battery when its lifespan is over.
But theres a dirty little secret about removable-battery laptops owned by average consumers: Hardly anybody buys extra batteries. Research firm NPD estimates that fewer than 5% of consumers buy a spare. So, a small trend has begun in the industry: More electronic products are being designed with their rechargeable batteries sealed inside. For instance, Dells new high-end laptop, the Adamo, has a sealed battery, as does the excellent Flip pocket video camera.
The leading proponent of this idea is Apple, which has often led the industry in introducing or removing components from computers. This month, Apple unveiled two revised MacBook Pro laptops with higher-capacity, sealed-in batteries. In fact, Apples entire line of laptops now uses sealed batteries, except for one low-end MacBook model from last years series.
Apple says this makes sense because sealing in the batteries lets the company make them larger, without adding heft to the laptops. Apple says the two models are the same size and weight as their predecessors, yet their battery capacity has grown by 33% and 46%, respectively....
Read more at »ptech.allthingsd.com/20090625/ne···power-2/ (edit fixed link) |
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2 edits | reply to haroldo also probably reduces design costs since gluing a battery inside the case requires less design & parts than creating a case that incorporates a removable battery. Funny thing is that if Dell designs a laptop with a NON-removable battery they are "innovating".. When Apple does the same thing they are "cheating the customer" by forcing them to pay to have the battery replaced or by making the hardware 'disposable' .. Double standard.. |
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| reply to haroldo There was a big thread about this when the first 17" with the on board battery came out. I think the consensus here was very few people ever took their battery out other then to replace it (which you can still do yourself on these new macs with 2 screwdrivers, assuming a 3rd party starts making batteries.) Since people are getting 7-8 hours real world use on them, you'd be hard pressed to spend 7-8 hours without coming across a receptacle. |
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  The Dv8or DSLReports Forums -- The Mouse House 2.0 Premium join:2001-08-09 Danbury, CT clubs: | The biggest drawback for this is on overseas flights. |
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  Cabal Premium join:2007-01-21 Boston, MA | reply to haroldo I haven't needed to replace the battery in any laptop I've purchased in the past 8 years, Apple or otherwise. -- Interested in open source engine management for your Subaru? |
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| reply to haroldo My biggest desire for a removable battery would only apply if you could charge them outside of the notebook they were meant to plug in to.
I remember back in the olden days when you could buy multiple batteries... and a charger to be able to charge one outside of the laptop. This was good because then you could buy extras and simply pop out a discharged one in order to use a freshly charged battery to keep going.
Nowadays, where the hell are you going to find anything that will charge your laptop batteries separately from the laptop? You can't - or at least, I'd never been able to find anyone or anything that could do it. So why bother have a removable battery if you won't make something to justify having it removable?
In this sense, the added capacity of these integrated batteries (for its useful lifespan) outweigh the fact that it isn't removable in my eyes. -- Front Line Force Fortress Forever |
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| reply to haroldo I think it's a good thing. More environmentally friendly and superb performance. If you are traveling long haul on a flight, you can usually plug in during the flight so i don't think that's a huge issue. i'm saving up for a mac book pro 15 inch and hope to get one in a few months. |
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join:2000-10-05 Collegeville, PA | reply to haroldo For overseas flights, we'll probably see a return of external batteries. The laptops have provisions to take power from an external battery without charging their internal battery. |
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| said by russotto :For overseas flights, we'll probably see a return of external batteries... ...or maybe people might sleep, watch a movie, listen to music, talk with a companion or stranger, eat, walk around, read a book or try to join that avaition (Mile High) club . |
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| reply to haroldo Cells in batteries can die; electronics that monitor batteries can fail. Either can render the internal battery useless, requiring a repair trip.
I don't care what their research reveals (I'm half a century old and have never been involved in any such research), removable batteries make perfect sense to me. If their research on this reveals anything on this it's a way to squeeze more money from consumers. -- |
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| reply to haroldo The good thing about the new sealed batteries is that the price of a new battery includes the replacement, so there's no real need to worry.
Plus, if you look on iFixit, it's pretty easy to change the battery yourself.
Personally, the only time I've removed the battery from my MacBook Pro is when I've had Apple send me a new one because mine wasn't holding its charge anymore. -- Voype | Telefónica (powered by Windows Live Call) |
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| reply to The Dv8or said by The Dv8or :The biggest drawback for this is on overseas flights. Then fly an airline that provides power at your seat. |
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| reply to russotto said by russotto :For overseas flights, we'll probably see a return of external batteries. The laptops have provisions to take power from an external battery without charging their internal battery. But I think Apple has a patent on the magsafe connector so people can't make an accessory without a license. -- POKE 65495,1 |
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| reply to Titus Pullo said by Titus Pullo :Cells in batteries can die; electronics that monitor batteries can fail. Either can render the internal battery useless, requiring a repair trip. ... Things fail, that's how things go. I had an iBook, after 5 years the (second) battery only held a 5 minute charge. I used the power cord for a year. I got a new MacBook. Life goes on. Is this really a big deal? |
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| reply to ArthurS said by ArthurS :said by The Dv8or :The biggest drawback for this is on overseas flights. Then fly an airline that provides power at your seat. Which can be significantly more expensive, and many people who fly overseas do so for their company, and have no say in this. Good try, though, thanks for playing.
Haroldo, not having a battery work in a laptop is a VERY big deal. If you were able to get by with just a power cord, you should have saved the cash and gotten a desktop. -- You're so vain... I bet you think this post is about you. |
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join:2002-02-10 1 edit | reply to haroldo On international flights, even economy class seats have a power outlet these days.
A serious question to those who fly overseas often, which airlines are you flying without power? I've had outlets even on the cheapest discount charters. |
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1 edit | reply to The Dv8or said by The Dv8or :...Haroldo, not having a battery work in a laptop is a VERY big deal. If you were able to get by with just a power cord, you should have saved the cash and gotten a desktop. It was an old iBook with Leopard, so it wasn't worth replacing, but it also wasn't worth buying a replacement battery. The iBook rarely left the den, so it really wasn't a mobile computer. When the display died, I bought the MacBook. You can't pay me to use a desktop computer. |
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  The Dv8or DSLReports Forums -- The Mouse House 2.0 Premium join:2001-08-09 Danbury, CT clubs:
| said by haroldo :said by The Dv8or :...Haroldo, not having a battery work in a laptop is a VERY big deal. If you were able to get by with just a power cord, you should have saved the cash and gotten a desktop. It was an old iBook with Leopard, so it wasn't worth replacing, but it also wasn't worth buying a replacement battery. The iBook rarely left the den, so it really wasn't a mobile computer. When the display died, I bought the MacBook. You can't pay me to use a desktop computer. Its a big deal for those who actually let their laptop leave their desk and need to use it where an outlet isnt always accessible. -- You're so vain... I bet you think this post is about you. |
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