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Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure?
I'm not particularly interested in anecdotal "what's being sold now" evidence.
We're in a recession and consumer spending is down. TVs aren't being moved that quickly anymore.
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said by drew  :If "most people" were the same way, the big box chains wouldn't be struggling to make a profit and they certainly wouldn't be closing stores. Even the grocery stores got into the video rental business and they're almost all out of it. They host floor space to Redboxes though. I agree with this. BlockBuster missed the online boat and has closed a ton of stores. They're currently trading at 73 cents a share. In their heyday they were king of the video rental business but now all I see are the RedBoxes you mention at the local grocery store. I don't think physical rentals will fully go away for many years, but NetFlix and online delivery has certainly mortally wounded them. I think this will carry over to Blu-Ray as well.
It's my opinion, that if you present the average person with the choice of a slightly lower quality digital copy, they would choose that over physical media at 3x the price, unless the DRM or process to buy that digital media copy is too cumbersome.
Right now, there is no silver bullet for getting digital content to your HDTV and yet it's already wildly successful. I can't help but think once an inexpensive digital media "receiver" is released that is compatible with various services, physical media will decline in sales even further. |
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BF69
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said by Matt :said by BF69 :Except we are talking physcial media vs digital. And sorry # of non broadband households > # household capable of handling 1080p streams. And that will be the case for the next 10-15 years minimum. So where is blu-ray going? Do you have kids? My 14-year old barely knows what a CD is and honestly, Actually I have a 14 year old myself. So you point was?
I'm the same way. I've never cared for the physical media but there are people who do. As time goes on people will prefer the convenience of downloading a movie in a couple of hours over paying $20-$30 for the physical disk. It's human nature. Downloading a movie is easier than buying one or ordering it online and waiting. You see this is every aspect of our lives.
And again, I'm not talking about the capability of streaming 1080p content exclusively. There will be services that allow you to download that content and ANY connection is capable of that. once again you're going off topic. And you're not comparing apples to apples. Downloading a non-HD movie from Amazon is threat to DVD not blu-ray.This thread about blu-ray being a failure and nothing you bring up has anything to do with that.
Also you haters fail to remember DVDs being $30 and that was 12 years ago which is like $45 in todays money. wal-mart has 1400 blu-ray movies 60% of which are under $20 many of those over $20 are disc sets which is to be expected.
the fact is places like wal-mart and best buy are going to be pushing blu-ray players and discs more than DVD because that's where the money is. |
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said by drew :Netflix 'Instant Watch' has kept me from renting physical media since the 360 update to allow it to use it. I do a lot of instant Netflix too. The problem with that (so far), is their HD selection is pretty terrible and for some of their older SD stuff, the quality is god awful when blown up on my 42" TV. I have seen a marked improvement in their selection, pretty much all new releases are available for instant viewing, but in SD only. The newer SD content isn't that bad, but if you stream say, Serenity from Netflix in HD and then switch to SD content, you want to gouge your eyes out.  |
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said by BF69 :once again you're going off topic. And you're not comparing apples to apples. Downloading a non-HD movie from Amazon is threat to DVD not blu-ray.This thread about blu-ray being a failure and nothing you bring up has anything to do with that. Wrong!
Quality can only go so far, ease of access is the next "big thing" for media, IMO. Check out iTunes for a perfect example of that.
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said by BF69 :said by Matt :said by BF69 :Except we are talking physcial media vs digital. And sorry # of non broadband households > # household capable of handling 1080p streams. And that will be the case for the next 10-15 years minimum. So where is blu-ray going? Do you have kids? My 14-year old barely knows what a CD is and honestly, Actually I have a 14 year old myself. So you point was? I'm the same way. I've never cared for the physical media but there are people who do. As time goes on people will prefer the convenience of downloading a movie in a couple of hours over paying $20-$30 for the physical disk. It's human nature. Downloading a movie is easier than buying one or ordering it online and waiting. You see this is every aspect of our lives.
And again, I'm not talking about the capability of streaming 1080p content exclusively. There will be services that allow you to download that content and ANY connection is capable of that. once again you're going off topic. And you're not comparing apples to apples. Downloading a non-HD movie from Amazon is threat to DVD not blu-ray.This thread about blu-ray being a failure and nothing you bring up has anything to do with that. Also you haters fail to remember DVDs being $30 and that was 12 years ago which is like $45 in todays money. wal-mart has 1400 blu-ray movies 60% of which are under $20 many of those over $20 are disc sets which is to be expected. the fact is places like wal-mart and best buy are going to be pushing blu-ray players and discs more than DVD because that's where the money is. I think you need to calm down and realize the discussion has moved on. We're discussing how online video distribution is and will affect Blu-Ray. There is also no need to take this as a personal affront because we are disagreeing with you. No one is a Blu-Ray hater as I have said twice now that I like Blu-Ray, own a Blu-Ray player, and that nothing can match Blu-Ray in 1080p with 7.1 DTS.
I would suggest you go back and start with page 1 of the thread so you're up to date. |
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said by Matt :said by drew :Netflix 'Instant Watch' has kept me from renting physical media since the 360 update to allow it to use it. I do a lot of instant Netflix too. The problem with that (so far), is their HD selection is pretty terrible and for some of their older SD stuff, the quality is god awful when blown up on my 42" TV. I have seen a marked improvement in their selection, pretty much all new releases are available for instant viewing, but in SD only. The newer SD content isn't that bad, but if you stream say, Serenity from Netflix in HD and then switch to SD content, you want to gouge your eyes out. yeah and I tired that. Had a 30 days free tial. There was NOTHING to rent. All old stuff. Cancelled. Nothing worth $9 a month in my book. This was 3 months ago. Was going to rent Iron Man, never saw it before, didn't have it in MARCH 2009 even though it came out on DVD in Oct 2008. WTF? At least with Amazon the wait is only a month compared to DVD and even that sucks ass. If I want to pay $9 a month to watch mostly old movies I'll subscibe to HBO. |
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said by drew :said by sholling :said by ncbill :Most HDTVs already in the U.S. market are going to be 720, not 1080. Incorrect. Only the smallest and cheapest sets are still 720p, and that's changing fast. The vast majority of HD sets being sold today are 1080P LCDs. Of what's already out there most of the projection HDTV sets sold in the last 3 years at least 1080i with most being 1080p. Citation needed The only citation needed is a walk through the electronic section of any store. 720p sets 37" and above are getting rare as hen's teeth.
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said by Matt :LCD and Plasma have distinct advantages. I personally prefer the look of plasma over all but the highest end LCDs. A quick perusal of Samsung's site shows no less than 19 new 1080p plasma HDTV's. I think it may seem like there are more LCDs because you don't see plasma HDTV sets in the smaller sizes. You see LCDs all the way down to 22" or so, but plasmas start at 42". I'm not knocking plasma, it's just that it's become a niche market and there are fewer companies in that market. Companies like Vizio have brought the price of 1080P LCDs down to joe sixpack levels. Who knows maybe Plasma will make a comeback and take the lead.
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Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure?
said by sholling :said by Matt :LCD and Plasma have distinct advantages. I personally prefer the look of plasma over all but the highest end LCDs. A quick perusal of Samsung's site shows no less than 19 new 1080p plasma HDTV's. I think it may seem like there are more LCDs because you don't see plasma HDTV sets in the smaller sizes. You see LCDs all the way down to 22" or so, but plasmas start at 42". I'm not knocking plasma, it's just that it's become a niche market and there are fewer companies in that market. Companies like Vizio have brought the price of 1080P LCDs down to joe sixpack levels. Who knows maybe Plasma will make a comeback and take the lead. Vizio is a great example of the point you just made. They decided to enter the LCD market with high quality, low-cost HDTVs and have so far been rewarded with sales revenue to match. I absolutely respect and admire what they've done for the HDTV industry as a whole. |
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Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure?
said by drew :Again, it matters not what's on store's shelves, but rather what's in people's homes. What matter is what people are buying. They are buying whats on store shelves. What's stores chose to stock is based on what people what are buying. When people buy a new TV is often when they buy a Blu-Ray player. They want to see what their new TV is capable of. As the price approaches the magic $120 price point that will become more and more common and why not. It gives the consumer an upconverting DVD player that also plays Blu-Ray.
Basically you're making the same argument that the 42" DLP buyers made 4 years ago. That people wouldn't pay for the extra money for the higher quality picture of a flat screen. The prices came down and now everybody and their grandmothers are buying flat screens.
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said by Rook008 :Vizio does make some nice, relatively affordable LCD's. I agree. I've been seriously contemplating replacing my main HDTV with a Vizio LCD set. The price for a really nice model is less than HALF what I paid for my 720p Plasma 3 years ago. Damn technology depreciation! |
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Looking only at the US market, sales have increased Q109, which was following a sizable decrease Q408 and I believe Q309 as well.
On the world stage, less purchasing is occurring than what was occurring.
I'd also like to see some stats on both your claim of 1080p penetration as well as "When people buy a new TV is often when they buy a Blu-Ray player." Do you have any?
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Re: Is Blu-Ray a Failure?
No, most already sold have been the cheaper, 720p sets.
Even today only the largest plasma sets (58"-60") are 1080-only.
At 50" and below, 720p is still much cheaper (about 1/3 less) than 1080 for brand-name plasmas.
The several hundred dollar difference still does matter in today's economy.
Plasma's not going anywhere, as it remains much cheaper than LCD.
said by sholling :said by ncbill :Most HDTVs already in the U.S. market are going to be 720, not 1080. Incorrect. Only the smallest and cheapest sets are still 720p, and that's changing fast. The vast majority of HD sets being sold today are 1080P LCDs. Of what's already out there most of the projection HDTV sets sold in the last 3 years at least 1080i with most being 1080p. 720 sets are still much cheaper than 1080 - 1/3 less for the 42" plasma I bought just 6 months ago. Now there is a technology that's going away. Fewer and fewer companies are making plasma TVs as the market moves on to LCD and newer technologies. |
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