SmackWeasel
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry
You should replace the Glock for a more reliable revolver*
Simi-auto's are to be hand held on the ready, or as back-up for a revolver.
You've probably never encountered a situation that calls for gun play. Remember once you pull it on someone, it's a do or die situation. Would you be able to retrieve the glock, cock it, aim and fire? What about the safety? Will you remember if it's engaged or not? It would be a bummer if the perp snatched it away from you as you fumbled with it.
Also alot of people get hurt thinking an auto is empty after removing the clip only to find one round still chambered...ouch!
*Smith & Wesson 38 special featherweight for example. All you gotta do is grab, aim and fire. No extra steps to worry about.
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mark5019
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Atlanta, GA | glocks can be carried loaded with a round in the chamber safely there .
true a revolver is better for a beginner. |
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ixNay
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said by SmackWeasel  : All you gotta do is grab, aim and fire. No extra steps to worry about. The same goes with a glock. A little bit of training and familiarization with the firearm you decide to carry goes a long way! |
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
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You forgot to list shooting your self by accident on you list of ridiculous reasons to own a revolver over a simi-auto. |
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SmackWeasel
join:2008-01-02
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said by ixNay :said by SmackWeasel : All you gotta do is grab, aim and fire. No extra steps to worry about. The same goes with a glock. A little bit of training and familiarization with the firearm you decide to carry goes a long way! Questions:
- Does she keep it locked and loaded at all times/or will she by default, play it safe and leave it un-cocked until ready to use.
- If it's locked and loaded, when she decides to take the clip out, will she remember to eject the round in chamber? Or perhaps a child thinking the weapon is unloaded because the clip is removed fires what appears to be an empty weapon? Statistically, this is the way most people die of self inflicted accidental handgun shootings.
I just can't see a novice user or even a more experienced user fumbling with a loaded auto in a panic situation. Using a revolver in an emergency situation takes less steps and temporal thought out of the equation and places thought in the more primal reactive area of the brain.
Pull, aim, fire, no thoughts 3 steps verses; Pull, take safety off and/or cock weapon, aim, fire. Or horrors!; Dang-it, forgot to take safety off....meanwhile....
Also as anyone who has owned a semi-auto knows; it takes a firm and steady trigger finger to keep the firing mechanism from jamming (Beretta the exception)
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SmackWeasel
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said by battleop :You forgot to list shooting your self by accident on you list of ridiculous reasons to own a revolver over a simi-auto. If it's tucked in your pants and you're wrestling around in a fight yea maybe, but a holstered or stored revolver, the only way you're gonna shoot yourself is if you squeeze the trigger all the way back to the hammer. These aren't wild west hair triggers, there's a lot of resistance, not to mention the half-cock safety feature.
Whereas, I actually knew a dude that while dancing in a disco, blew the tip of his pecker off with a Llama 9mm auto tucked in his pants.
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| said by SmackWeasel :Whereas, I actually knew a dude that while dancing in a disco, blew the tip of his pecker off with a Llama 9mm auto tucked in his pants. That'll ruin your chances for a date...
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battleop
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I guess you missed what I was getting at. A revolver is not any better or worse than a loaded simi-auto pistol. Both can be carried ready to fire at a moments notice. The bonus on a simil-auto pistol is it's safety (except Glocks). If you can't think clear enough in a bad situation to remember the safety them maybe you are not thinking clear enough to use the pistol. If you practice, practice, practice, you will develop habits so that you don't have to "think" about the safety if such a time comes that you will need the firearm. |
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SmackWeasel
join:2008-01-02 | reply to alphapointe
heh..true dat. Although he did end up with one gnarly French tickler.
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SmackWeasel
join:2008-01-02
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said by battleop :I guess you missed what I was getting at. A revolver is not any better or worse than a loaded simi-auto pistol. Both can be carried ready to fire at a moments notice. The bonus on a simil-auto pistol is it's safety (except Glocks). If you can't think clear enough in a bad situation to remember the safety them maybe you are not thinking clear enough to use the pistol. If you practice, practice, practice, you will develop habits so that you don't have to "think" about the safety if such a time comes that you will need the firearm. Pardon me battleop, Yea I guess I did miss your point, thought you were referring to revolvers only in accidental shootings. I may be wrong to assume most people kill themselves accidentally via autos as they are a more complicated device.
I defiantly agree with:
[If you can't think clear enough in a bad situation to remember the safety them maybe you are not thinking clear enough to use the pistol.]
This is my main issue as well.
Fortunately most gun owners never actually fire their weapon in defense, so they will never know if they would panic or fumble. the "piece" remains at best a comfort blanket or at least a cocktail conversation accessory.
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battleop
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| I tried a quick Goolge and didn't find anything that supported the safety of a revolver over a semi-auto or vice versa.
I would think that a semi-auto would be less dangerous because of it's complication compared to a revolver. There would be more steps involved in firing a semi-auto than a revolver. |
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Alakar
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said by SmackWeasel :You should replace the Glock for a more reliable revolver* Simi-auto's are to be hand held on the ready, or as back-up for a revolver. You've probably never encountered a situation that calls for gun play. Remember once you pull it on someone, it's a do or die situation. Would you be able to retrieve the glock, cock it, aim and fire? What about the safety? Will you remember if it's engaged or not? It would be a bummer if the perp snatched it away from you as you fumbled with it. Also alot of people get hurt thinking an auto is empty after removing the clip only to find one round still chambered...ouch! *Smith & Wesson 38 special featherweight for example. All you gotta do is grab, aim and fire. No extra steps to worry about. SmackWeasel you don't sound all that familiar with firearms and specifically the Glock.
First, a Glock has no external safety to engage or disengage. It also doesn't have a hammer, it uses a striker firing pin. When a round is chambered the striker is half-cocked and the firing pin block is engaged. The trigger is a two part arrangement requiring both parts to be squeezed simultaneously which cocks the striker the rest of the way and releases the firing pin when fully moved to the rear. The firing pin block prevents the firing pin from moving forward unless both parts of the trigger are engaged simultaneously. Glocks are just as safe as a revolver and as easy to pull and fire.
Another point, modern semi-auto's do not use clips, they use magazines. The only semi-auto I can think of off-hand that did use clips was the Broom Handled Mauser.
said by SmackWeasel :Also as anyone who has owned a semi-auto knows; it takes a firm and steady trigger finger to keep the firing mechanism from jamming (Beretta the exception) Where exactly did you get this notion? I've been shooting for more then 30 years and have never heard of anything like this.
Besides all this though, I agree with your suggestion of a .38 Featherlight. Much more concealable and I think a better overall size for someone 5'2" and 100lbs.
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SmackWeasel
join:2008-01-02
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Here's a search battleop:
»world.guns.ru/handguns/hg00-e.htm
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...the revolvers were more reliable, primarily, because of the simplicity of the design....No jams, no stoppages. Even in the case of the misfire you just got to pull the trigger again - and next round will go. In semi-auto, you need sufficient power to cycle the slide, thus rendering underpowered loads almost inoperable in semi-autos. Also, in case of the misfire, or jam, you should manually cycle the slide to fire the next round. In defensive scenario, this may cost you another second, and may be - your life. So, in general, sixguns are far less sensitive to ammo quality, and, due to simplicity and inherent design features, could withstand far more abuse.
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»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handgun
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Advantages of revolvers
- Reliability: Blockages and malfunctions are virtually impossible in a revolver. A dud round is cleared by a simple pull of the trigger. Several types of blockages and malfunctions are possible (and fairly common) in semi-autos.
- Easier to determine if loaded: cartridges in a loaded revolver are readily apparent. An unloaded semi-auto is often visually identical to a loaded one
-Easier to clean and maintain: Revolvers have few exposed moving pieces and do not require disassembly. There is no risk of loss or breakage of pieces with a revolver. Semi-autos must be disassembled for cleaning, which may be difficult and risks losing or breaking vital pieces in the field or in darkness.
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One of the simi-auto's advantages over revolver actually supports my argument over accidental firings:
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- The nature of most semi-auto's operation makes the trigger pull much easier after the first round is fired, allowing for quick and accurate follow-up shots. Revolvers will always have strong trigger pulls unless the hammer is cocked before each shot, which greatly slows the shooter's rate of fire.
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Mannus
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said by SmackWeasel :You should replace the Glock for a more reliable revolver* Simi-auto's are to be hand held on the ready, or as back-up for a revolver. You've probably never encountered a situation that calls for gun play. Remember once you pull it on someone, it's a do or die situation. Would you be able to retrieve the glock, cock it, aim and fire? What about the safety? Will you remember if it's engaged or not? It would be a bummer if the perp snatched it away from you as you fumbled with it. Also alot of people get hurt thinking an auto is empty after removing the clip only to find one round still chambered...ouch! *Smith & Wesson 38 special featherweight for example. All you gotta do is grab, aim and fire. No extra steps to worry about. #1 You don't "cock" a glock.
#2 Glocks have 3 internal safety mechanisms: 1) the trigger safety, 2) the firing pin safety, and c) the drop safety. Proper training (don't put your finger on the trigger unless your gonna pull it) helps too. |
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SmackWeasel
join:2008-01-02
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- True I've never owned nor fired a Glock. I've owned a browning 9mm and a Smith and Wesson.45, I now own a Baretta 9mm.
- Although I have on occasion had a simi-auto jam on me because of a hesitant and unsteady trigger finger or through rapid firing of the weapon. I've learned to press firmly and count my shots to overcome this. I wonder what someone would do in a emergency situation.
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pmohr
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said by Alakar :Another point, modern semi-auto's do not use clips, they use magazines. The only semi-auto I can think of off-hand that did use clips was the Broom Handled Mauser. Indeed, that always irks me for some reason. Cue the typical internet picture response above (there's a much better one with a clip in the magwell of an AK, can't seem to find it ATM).
said by Alakar :Where exactly did you get this notion? I've been shooting for more then 30 years and have never heard of anything like this. Best I can tell, he's referring to limp-wristing. I've shot several handguns that can and will FTE or FTF if you don't have a proper grip on the weapon. |
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way2evil
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said by SmackWeasel :You should replace the Glock for a more reliable revolver* Simi-auto's are to be hand held on the ready, or as back-up for a revolver. You've probably never encountered a situation that calls for gun play. Remember once you pull it on someone, it's a do or die situation. Would you be able to retrieve the glock, cock it, aim and fire? What about the safety? Will you remember if it's engaged or not? It would be a bummer if the perp snatched it away from you as you fumbled with it. Also alot of people get hurt thinking an auto is empty after removing the clip only to find one round still chambered...ouch! *Smith & Wesson 38 special featherweight for example. All you gotta do is grab, aim and fire. No extra steps to worry about. Have you ever seen a Glock? The safety is on the trigger. |
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AricBrown
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said by SmackWeasel :- True I've never owned nor fired a Glock. I've owned a browning 9mm and a Smith and Wesson.45, I now own a Baretta 9mm. - Although I have on occasion had a simi-auto jam on me because of a hesitant and unsteady trigger finger or through rapid firing of the weapon. I've learned to press firmly and count my shots to overcome this. I wonder what someone would do in a emergency situation. I have a first generation glock 17, It has over 20k of rounds put through it and it has jammed on me twice. Both times it was reloaded ammo. When I carry I do not use reloaded ammo only factory loads. Reloads are for practice only. My glock only has 1 safety, that is my finger. It fires every time I pull the trigger, I would and do trust this gun with my life everyday. |
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Ray422
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said by SmackWeasel :Here's a search battleop: » world.guns.ru/handguns/hg00-e.htmQuote: ...the revolvers were more reliable, primarily, because of the simplicity of the design....No jams, no stoppages. Even in the case of the misfire you just got to pull the trigger again - and next round will go. I don't care what that article says, you better be careful believing that crap. Depends upon the type of mis-fire. If the primer fires, it leaves the bullet jammed in the barrel. The next shot blows the gun up...and maybe blinds or kills you.
In a panic-situation, you won't comprehend the meaning of a low-noise primer firing.
Edit: BTW, this should be an ADEQUATE carry for a 5-2 female.
Browning 25 semi-automatic
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pmohr
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| said by Ray422 :I don't care what that article says, you better be careful believing that crap. Depends upon the type of mis-fire. If the primer fires, it leaves the bullet jammed in the barrel. The next shot blows the gun up...and maybe blinds or kills you. In a panic-situation, you won't comprehend the meaning of a low-noise primer firing. True, although you should note that it's not a revolver-specific problem; anything from a revolver to a bolt action rifle to a semi-auto handgun can potentially encounter a squib round. An ammo thing, unrelated to the host firearm.
On that note, have you seen this before? Scary.
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