Women's Concealed Carry in General Questions

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:23:21 EDT

tim_k :

said by Vamp9190 :

and I think Schools are on that list too - it is like within a certain distance, 300 yards, etc.

I let my CCP expire a few years back. Is it still $50/yr.?

Back then I was in PW county and it was a real pain to got to Manassas to renew since I lived & worked in the opposite direction.

I will have to check out the process now since I am in Loudoun county.

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School property. Exemptions to this statute include a person who has a valid concealed handgun permit and possesses a concealed handgun while in a motor vehicle in a parking lot, traffic circle, or other means of vehicular ingress or egress to the school

»www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_Res···led.shtm

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I live in Virginia, where anyone over 18 can carry a weapon openly (albeit in a non-threatening manner) without a license

There are exceptions. »leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504···.2-287.4
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Thu, 09 Jul 2009 09:15:12 EDT

Vamp9190 :

said by Krisnatharok :

I'll share in my experience...

I live in Virginia, where anyone over 18 can carry a weapon openly (albeit in a non-threatening manner) without a license. Anyone 21 and over can apply for a shall-issue license that allows them to carry anywhere except churches, government buildings, and establishments that serve alcohol (although you can open carry in a bar).

and I think Schools are on that list too - it is like within a certain distance, 300 yards, etc.

I let my CCP expire a few years back. Is it still $50/yr.?

Back then I was in PW county and it was a real pain to got to Manassas to renew since I lived & worked in the opposite direction.

I will have to check out the process now since I am in Loudoun county.

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Thu, 09 Jul 2009 05:54:59 EDT

Krisnatharok : I'll share in my experience...

I live in Virginia, where anyone over 18 can carry a weapon openly (albeit in a non-threatening manner) without a license. Anyone 21 and over can apply for a shall-issue license that allows them to carry anywhere except churches, government buildings, and establishments that serve alcohol (although you can open carry in a bar).

I've had a CCL for two years. I started with an XD-45 4", switched to an XD-9 5", and then got tired of a fullsize and switched to a Kimber 1911 compact carry. While I went from a magazine capacity of 16+1 to 8+1, I am much more comfortable carrying the .45 ACP. I also like the single-stack magazine. I compensate by carrying four magazines instead of two.

Beyond being trained by the Marine Corps (maintain multiple expert qualifications, I've also taken and passed defensive handgun courses (I highly recommend Front Sight's [of Las Vegas, NV] 4 Day Defensive Handgun Course). I consider myself always in the yellow/orange color code when outside the house and carrying my weapon. I am prepared to use it in a defensive manner to protect the life of myself or my wife.

Being a left-hander, I usually have to dig for good holsters. My favorite is a paddle-style carbon-injected holster, but isn't concealed under anything short of a 3/4 coat or XXL hoodie. For the 1911 an IWB leather holster is my rig of choice. Anyone interested in talking more about carrying concealed can hit me up for a discussion!

Peace. :-D
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:53:39 EDT

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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:37:35 EDT

Vamp9190 :

said by cowboyro :

Personally I think that a G23 is a bit big and heavy for a small person (I own a G23). Maybe look into something smaller...

I totally agree.

Try the Glock 26 (9mm) 'baby Glock' -- you will fall in love & trade the 23 for it. If your hand is too big (does not seem like it will be), and your pinky does not fit on the grip, they sell a cool little extender piece that screws onto the bottom of the grip so your pinky rests on it, perfect.

or the Glock 27 is the baby Glock in .40 caliber.

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:21:32 EDT

exocets_girl : Thanks! That's a great website... I hadn't found it yet!

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:07:05 EDT

John Galt : I would suggest this:

»www.usconcealedcarry.com/

You can sign up for the email newsletters. They come every day, but always worth the time to read. I just filter them to their own folder and read a bunch at once when I have the time.

Lots of information on various holsters and such, plus lots more.

Finally, I would suggest that you take some "combat handgunning" classes. They teach you to move and shoot at the same time, which is very important. Most people think that firing a few rounds at the range once a month is all the training they need...not true.

I am sure your husband can help you out with this... ;)
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:03:55 EDT

eatatjoz : I tote a 1911 around. It's profile is thin and I can hide it very easy.
I've tried quite a few of my handguns for daily carry, but I always go back to my little Rock and the Galco.
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:16:58 EDT

exocets_girl : I'm pretty sure I'll have more holsters than I do shoes... and that's saying something! :D

Most of my husband's duty gear is Galco, and we've never had to replace it...

What do you carry? I love my G 23, but I am kinda wishing I would have gone with the 27, just for conceal-ability.
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:21:18 EDT

eatatjoz : You're going to end up with a whole dresser full of holsters!

You can't go wrong with a Galco. I love my IWB from them. it's easy to wear all day and it's TOUGH. I got it just over a year ago and it's still in one piece. Absolutely great leather.
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:15:56 EDT

exocets_girl :

said by removed :

So, have you decided on a carry solution yet? I carry my Glock 23 in an inside-wasitband holster between 3:00 and 4:00, and it's worked great for me thus far.

Galco has an entire section of their website for women's holsters! Got some good ideas there... although I still think the local tactical store should offer fitting rooms and an on-staff female consultant! ;)

I've tried on several holsters... and have pretty much decided that (as long as I buy shirts in a size Small instead of XS) a leather SOB holster OR an Inside-Waistband holster (probably between 4:00 and 5:00-- seems to fit my curves better) are going to be my best options. They will also work when I'm wearing skirts, as long as the material is stiff enough to hold the holster without a belt.

For more formal occasions... when I would be wearing a dress, I have a summer option and a winter option. In the Summer, I will have to use a concealed carry purse... too hot for a sweater and shoulder holster. In the winter, the shoulder holster with a coat should work!

That's probably more fashion info than you ever cared to stomach, but between women's fashion and women's curves... female options are WAY different! ;)

My biggest goal is to have a lot of different options, since I have a lot of different types of outfits. I'll have to treat my holstering methods like my other accessories... different shoes and purses for different outfits, different holster for different outfits!
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Fri, 03 Jul 2009 10:38:51 EDT

fourboxers : Back on topic, you want to continue this discussion, this isn't the place.

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Fri, 03 Jul 2009 07:19:36 EDT

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said by Hayward :

And I am far from saying all women should wear veils and robes.... but you are wondering how to be most attractive alone (assumedly) the trouble you don't want, and just wondering where to hide a gun?

Huh? This makes no sense whatsoever. Please try again.

said by Hayward :

Something wrong there and will certainly be looking for you to turn up on Nancy Grace or the like, when you shoot someone approaching you for directions in the dark...

Probably not. 27422 licenses have been issued by Louisiana since the concealed carry program was introduced -- 259 of the licenses have been revoked. That comes out to less than 1%. Clearly, Louisiana residents who are licensed to carry concealed weapons don't "shoot someone approaching [them] for directions in the dark". :uhh:
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Fri, 03 Jul 2009 03:59:47 EDT

Hayward :

said by exocets_girl :

Here is my situation: I'm young and small-- 5'2" and 100 lbs. Between my petite frame and the fact that I do like to be relatively fashionable, my clothes are not entirely forgiving when it comes to concealing a weapon.

Let me get this straight....You want to wonder where to hide the gun, but look as slinky and attracting trouble as possible? :uhh:

And I am far from saying all women should wear veils and robes.... but you are wondering how to be most attractive alone (assumedly) the trouble you don't want, and just wondering where to hide a gun?

Something wrong there and will certainly be looking for you to turn up on Nancy Grace or the like, when you shoot someone approaching you for directions in the dark...
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Fri, 03 Jul 2009 00:14:20 EDT

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said by Dodge :

That's right, they stop going to those places, plain and simple.

Best post ever. Have you ever been to New Orleans??

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Fri, 03 Jul 2009 00:09:54 EDT

removed : So, have you decided on a carry solution yet? I carry my Glock 23 in an inside-wasitband holster between 3:00 and 4:00, and it's worked great for me thus far. I would highly recommend »www.littlebearholsters.com - he has quite a few holster styles available, and makes each holster to your specifications. Very reasonable wait time and pricing as well when compared to some of the bigger custom holster places.

Granted, I'm a 6'1" guy, so IWB may not be best for you. It's worth a try though, that's for sure.
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:03:01 EDT

ixNay :

said by exocets_girl :

Thanks for the concern, but my main question here is about specific means of concealed carry, rather than other methods of self-defense.

Which is why I never post questions here anymore hardly. Everyone here is either an X-Navy SEAL or a NINJA!! :D You cant just ask a question about something SPECIFIC. You have to be preached to by the so-called experts here lol...

Anymore, I find myself sending pm's to people on the site that can give you a specific answer related to whatever it is im asking about. I tend to seek them out by their specialty. Some reply and some dont, but thats expected! Damn, did I just contradict myself and go off topic? ;)

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:59:22 EDT

drjim : Thank you for your clarification, and getting this back on-topic.
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:52:29 EDT

exocets_girl : My husband never said I frequent the "bad parts" of town... he said I frequent "tourist areas" of town.

The difference between the "bad parts" of town and the "tourist areas" of town is that in the tourist areas (in New Orleans, anyway), crimes tend to be more theft/robbery related, whereas in the bad parts of town, I'd be fine because I'm not selling/buying drugs, and most violent crimes taking place in those areas are drug and gang related.

by misquoting my husband's post and saying I frequent the "bad parts" of town makes it appear as though I lack the common sense to avoid dangerous situations... which, btw, I don't.

As far as frequenting the tourist areas of town, I live/work/play in those areas. There's not a lot I can do to avoid working, buying groceries, and filling my car with gas. Just because I live in New Orleans doesn't mean I should live in a bubble, or live in fear.

Let me also dispell the myth that I'm not ready for the responsibility of carrying a gun. I'm not new to guns, by any means. I have carried in my car for quite some time (my husband's off-duty gun-- because as I said in my op, I just got my own gun), and I've already dealt with the ethical and moral questions that owning/carrying a gun for self-defense presents. Thanks for the concern, but my main question here is about specific means of concealed carry, rather than other methods of self-defense.
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:32:41 EDT

Mr Neutron :

said by Dodge :

She or her husband(don't remember shich one exactly) said that she frequents bad places where carrying a gun may be a good idea. You know what normal people do in these situations? That's right, they stop going to those places, plain and simple.

You know, maybe it's not quite as simple as you're making it out to be.

I had a friend who had to carry because his business was located in a bad part of (his) town. Did he deliberately site his business there? He sure didn't: that was the way the neighborhood became after a few years. And, not having the luxury of selling a business located in a bad part of town, (oddly enough, few people want to buy such businesses) he resorted to carrying.

Likewise, the OP may not have a choice here. If her job happens to lie in a bad part of town, it would mean her having to give up that job. And in case you haven't noticed, jobs are a bit thin on the ground just now. So while she herself may not be all that thrilled about having to go into the bad part of town, again, economic necessity might make it, well, a necessity.

If this were an ideal world, all of us could always stay out of the bad parts of town. Unfortunately, some of us might have business to take care of there. Business that could mean the difference between us eating and not eating. And not every store and business (or client we have to meet with) has the good fortune to be located in the nice part of town.

said by Dodge :

What she is doing is pretty much deciding that she will shoot someone at some point, the only question is when.

Tell me something: if this was your wife, would you wish her to have the option of defending herself at some point? Or would you prefer that she be helpless in the face of danger?

Because, to be frank, it's sure starting to sound like the latter.

If you'll pardon my saying so, it sounds like you've had the good fortune of having lead a very sheltered life. By that I mean: the only language that Bad Guys often speak is the language of force. It's the only thing that they understand and respect.

Which is why, very often, merely displaying a firearm will cause Bad Guys to decide that, yes, something is burning on the stove and/or it's time to go somewhere else. Meaning that you don't always necessarily have to shoot someone for a firearm to protect you.

Should you be willing to do so if it comes down to it? Yes, of course. But only someone embroiled in a bad situation is capable of best determining how to handle it. You and I are not qualified to make that call. If you think you are qualified to tell someone else what they should/should not do when they are in danger, you are entirely mistaken. There really isn't any nice way to put it: it's not you out there, it's them. If it's you, you can do whatever you think it's best. Otherwise, other folks have to decide for themselves.

A firearm has an effect on Bad Guys that something like pepper spray is simply not going to have. And, unfortunately, having a Bad Guy looking into the wrong end of your weapon is, sometimes, the only way to get them to leave you alone.

And if you love someone, you want them to be left alone. Which means you would want them to have the option of defending themselves.

said by Dodge :

As far as all of my scenarios, those are pretty basic, and before strapping a gun to yourself, a responsible person would ask themselves would they panic or will they be able to keep their cool and act according to the situation.

Boss, no one knows exactly what they are going to do in a time of danger until that danger actually happens. But that's why the OP has made it clear that she A) has a weapon and B) is earnestly seeking out the training needed to allow her to use that weapon effectively should she have the need to do so.

I think it's great that you're so concerned with her safety and well being, but I'm having a hard time believing you can't take in the fact that her safety and well-being are of some concern to her, too. And that she is making the choices she feels are best to maintain that safety.

Choices that she, and only she, is capable of making. I'm hoping that you can see that and would want her to be able to exercise that responsibility you mention. Because part of being a responsible adult is to give other people the benefit of the doubt and allow them an opportunity to be responsible adults, too.

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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:23:14 EDT

Dodge :

said by Mr Neutron :

Carrying a gun is an enormous responsibility and the OP has given every indication she is willing to put the time and training into meeting that responsibility. With that being the case, frankly, I'm completely baffled as to what it is you have to gain by trying to second-guess that choice.

I am not arguing that carrying a gun is an enormous responsibility, however I disagree that OP has given every indication that she is ready for it. She or her husband(don't remember shich one exactly) said that she frequents bad places where carrying a gun may be a good idea. You know what normal people do in these situations? That's right, they stop going to those places, plain and simple. What she is doing is pretty much deciding that she will shoot someone at some point, the only question is when.

As far as all of my scenarios, those are pretty basic, and before strapping a gun to yourself, a responsible person would ask themselves would they panic or will they be able to keep their cool and act according to the situation.

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:32:55 EDT

Mr Neutron :

said by Dodge :

And just out of curiosity, while we are on the subject of situational awareness, answer me this:

You are walking down a street, its late, there is only you and another guy walking towards you. Lets pretend he is around 6 feet tall, jeans, sneakers, coat, nothing fancy. About 10 feet away from you he reaches into his inside coat pocket but continues to walk towards you. Do you pull the gun? Do you take the safety off (depending on what gun you have) and keep your hand near the gun?

Well, here we go again with another "hypothetical self-defense situation." :uhh:

Can you do me a favor? And I'm very sincere with my request: can you check out a book by a guy called Gavin de Becker entitled The Gift of Fear? If your local library doesn't have it, you can get a copy off Amazon for under $5, and that's with shipping. You can thank me later.

It's a damn good book and the reason I mention it is because it illustrates beautifully how, when someone intends you harm, they invariably give off signals. Signals that a trained person can pick up on. No, you don't need to be a SWAT team member or a ninja in order to be able to pick up on these signals: Joe and Jane Sixpack can become at least somewhat adept at keying in on them.

I understand and appreciate where you're coming from with all these "worst-case scenarios," but please believe me when I tell you that, when someone intends to do you harm, they start sending off signals concerning what they're intending to do. These signals are what security professionals like bodyguards (the real ones, not the cowboys) depend on to keep their clients out of trouble, seeing as how dead clients don't tend to pay very well.

And If you happen to be a country boy who has to make trips into the big city every now and then, these same cues can help serve to keep you out of trouble when you're in close proximity to people you don't know.

And speaking of signals: I hope that you, yourself, are capable of picking up on the entirely unmistakeable signal that the OP has a weapon, fully intends to carry it, and all the "Gosh, what happens if an escaped 500-pound gorilla snatches at away from you, bends it in half, and hands it back to you"-type second-guessing and conjecturing is not going to change that. The decision has already been made and she is merely seeking advice on the best way to implement that decision.

Carrying a gun is an enormous responsibility and the OP has given every indication she is willing to put the time and training into meeting that responsibility. With that being the case, frankly, I'm completely baffled as to what it is you have to gain by trying to second-guess that choice.

ETA: oh, and before I forget, here's the solution to your scenario: if you're "walking down a street, its late, there is only you and another guy walking towards you," you cross the street (and/or put a parked car between you and him). Just because you're walking down a street does not mean that you keep on walking if you think continuing onward is a bad idea.

Seriously, who wants to waste ammunition and get stuck cleaning a weapon when they don't have to? Nobody.

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Wed, 24 Jun 2009 08:51:34 EDT

Spensergig :

said by lagged :

But a .25 you carry is better than a .45 that sits at home.

And really, that's the whole point.

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Wed, 24 Jun 2009 08:16:23 EDT

lagged : No doubt that .25 (or any bullet) is lethal, but it is the poorest performer of almost any cased ammunition. 22LR has more energy (but is less reliable due to being rimfire) If a .45 had gone up your leg, your femoral artery would have been destroyed and you wouldn't be here today.

But a .25 you carry is better than a .45 that sits at home.
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Wed, 24 Jun 2009 08:14:33 EDT

SmackWeasel : Sorry Tim_k that edit wasn't mine it belongs to Ray422 and originally misquoted by dynob. I agree with your assessment on the .25.
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the misquote:

said by SmackWeasel :
Edit: BTW, this should be an ADEQUATE carry for a 5-2 female.

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This is Ray422's original post:

reply to SmackWeasel

said by SmackWeasel :

Here's a search battleop:

»world.guns.ru/handguns/hg00-e.htm

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...the revolvers were more reliable, primarily, because of the simplicity of the design....No jams, no stoppages. Even in the case of the misfire you just got to pull the trigger again - and next round will go.
I don't care what that article says, you better be careful believing that crap. Depends upon the type of mis-fire. If the primer fires, it leaves the bullet jammed in the barrel. The next shot blows the gun up...and maybe blinds or kills you.
In a panic-situation, you won't comprehend the meaning of a low-noise primer firing.

Edit: BTW, this should be an ADEQUATE carry for a 5-2 female.
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reply to Ray422
Re: Women's Concealed Carry

said by Ray422 :

said by SmackWeasel :
Edit: BTW, this should be an ADEQUATE carry for a 5-2 female.

.25ACP is arguably the worst self defense round available. There's a reason you don't see a lot of the current crop of compact handguns chambered for .25ACP.

For an ultra-compact handgun, .380ACP would be a much better choice. Hell, even .22LR would probably be better than .25ACP.
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Wed, 24 Jun 2009 05:41:30 EDT

tim_k :

said by 44402812 :

said by drjim :

That says more about the sorry state of police officials than individual self-defense.

No it shows you that if a police official can act like an @ss and tazer a grandmother. We should let everyone have a gun shoot people who are a "threat". Lets face it criminals pack bigger guns so a scrawny lady with a tiny little gun might as well carry a water piston? My landlord is a cop and does not carry his gun off duty. He leaves his job at work, does not need to make his d#$k grow off duty, lol.

Silly liberal, anti-gun zealots, you really don't have a clue. Words are wasted on you. »www.largo.org/armed_women.html

said by dynodb :

said by Ray422 :

said by SmackWeasel :
Edit: BTW, this should be an ADEQUATE carry for a 5-2 female.

.25ACP is arguably the worst self defense round available. There's a reason you don't see a lot of the current crop of compact handguns chambered for .25ACP.

For an ultra-compact handgun, .380ACP would be a much better choice. Hell, even .22LR would probably be better than .25ACP.

I once shot a .25ACP. Even at the standard 10 ft, many rounds didn't even hit the paper. I've heard that a .22 mag may even be better than .32 ACP.
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Wed, 24 Jun 2009 05:22:22 EDT

Ray422 :

said by dynodb :

.25ACP is arguably the worst self defense round available. For an ultra-compact handgun, .380ACP would be a much better choice. Hell, even .22LR would probably be better than .25ACP.

said by drjim :

As Jeff Cooper said, you can use them for self defense, but if you have to shoot somebody with it, and they find out about it, they're going to be awfully mad!

Admittedly, a 380acp (and others) represent a better preference with greater stopping power in the ultra-compact category; however...
Those that do not think a .25auto is "adequate" are placing to much credence in false rumors. I truly suggest that you do not speak from experience :) Let me give you some facts...

During 1984, while reaching for my 25 in the closet, I inadvertently dropped it to the floor. After being rushed to the hospital, the x-rays demonstrated that this (measly :) little 25 caliber) had traveled 19 inches through my body and lodged at my waist.

About a year later, the NRA published a re-call notice from Browning on their defective firing pin. To this very day, I still ask myself why I was to dam dumb to sue.

Very unlucky indeed, but very lucky that the bullet struck no vital organs. Besides the bullet hole, giant and massive deep-purple bruises were evident for 3-4 weeks from my knee to my back waist.

Can you possibly imagine what a direct hit in the chest would do? I can promise you that they won't laugh.
Trust the voice of experience, a .25 "is adequate" and will kill you deader than a hammer :)

PS: Anyone (seriously hopped up on drugs) who don't stop can quite-efficiently be shot again.
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:11:04 EDT

44402812 :

said by Logan 5 :

said by 44402812 :

Dude if I was criminal the only thing anyone else would see would be the red dot on the back of your head from 50 ft away, lol.

Oh, then you'd be be there to commit murder not armed robbery.... in THAT case then if you're in hiding behind a laser sight from a distance then that changes things doesn't it....

I take that back I would rather just rob a bank and avoid the hassle, lol.

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp42FGI8kzU

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 23:36:08 EDT

Logan 5 :

said by 44402812 :

Dude if I was criminal the only thing anyone else would see would be the red dot on the back of your head from 50 ft away, lol.

Oh, then you'd be be there to commit murder not armed robbery.... in THAT case then if you're in hiding behind a laser sight from a distance then that changes things doesn't it....

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 23:27:42 EDT

44402812 :

said by Logan 5 :

@ hack4fun

If I shot you with a Glock 40, no matter what my size is and I'm aiming for the kill zone you'd be dead....As long as one is properly trained and has situational awareness then I would if I had a glock pointed at me b/c I was going to rob or hurt someone turn around and run away from the person as fast as I could and pray that they wouldn't shoot me in the back as I was fleeing the scene.

Period.

Dude if I was criminal the only thing anyone else would see would be the red dot on the back of your head from 50 ft away, lol.

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpFDHO-tqUY&NR=1

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:31:46 EDT

SirMeowmixIII :

said by drjim :

Proper training (at least in California) includes NOT shooting them in the back. If they see the gun and decide not to attack you and then flee, they're no longer a threat to you, and you cannot justify using deadly force.
Other than that, I agree with you. A couple of center-of-mass hits from a 40S&W will definitely make your attacker wish they were in a different line of work.

This is the primary reason why I'm so very thankful for Florida's pioneering of the Castle Doctrine and the multiple states that have since passed that into law. The fact that an aggressor can approach you, attempt to or successfully rob you/shoot at you/etc, then flee and suddenly you're not able to defend yourself or your property defies logic while empowering criminals.

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:28:46 EDT

SirMeowmixIII :

said by RR Conductor :

said by lagged :

A firearm doesn't always guarantee safety but if carried by a competent person it can help even the odds greatly. If anything women and handicapped need to be able to defend themselves more.

There are plenty of self defense options, not just guns, martial arts, pepper spray and stun guns come to mind.

I could drive a nail with a crescent wrench if I wanted too as well, however, this is not using the most efficient tool for the job. If/when you're presented with a situation forcing you to chose between your life and that of an aggressor it's nice to have a choice.

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:22:08 EDT

lagged : Then why do cops need guns? Lethal force has a place. We are talking about responsible use, that if the person didn't have a gun they would be dead. Plain and simple. Martial Arts, pepper spray, and stun guns are basically a joke.

Most states now have concealed carry, and there hasn't been an issue of people who are legally carrying suddenly shooting everyone.

Just the small chance a potential victim is armed deters crime. States with concealed carry have seen a large decrease in random violent crime, where as states with heavy restrictions on concealed carry continue to see an increase in random violent crime. It's a shame that the irrational fear some people have of guns is allowing innocent victims to be harmed.
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:00:52 EDT

Logan 5 : Since I can only speak for myself:

said by Dodge :

What if you are planning to rob someone and you have a gun?

If I had a gun, and I was going to rob someone, I'd be prepared to use it against my victim if I had to....

said by Dodge :

Who cares what they point at you? On top of that if you were robbing someone would they have a chance to pull a gun?

I would, if they presented their weapon from a position of knowing how to use it and projected that aura, OR, their gun was bigger/better then mine is I'd think twice about going past the point of no return....

Anyone with good situational awareness would be able to pick up my nervousness and know something was up and be on their guard with me...

said by Dodge :

What if you wind up in a standoff?

A 'standoff' would not be at point blank range or even close quarters so as long as I don't shoot first then I'd expect to not be attacked by the other person.

Your hypothetical scenario:

said by Dodge :

You are walking down a street, its late, there is only you and another guy walking towards you. Lets pretend he is around 6 feet tall, jeans, sneakers, coat, nothing fancy. About 10 feet away from you he reaches into his inside coat pocket but continues to walk towards you. Do you pull the gun? Do you take the safety off (depending on what gun you have) and keep your hand near the gun?

I wouldn't pull first as very few street criminals will "shoot first and rob later" from a distance. If they did, depending on how good they are w/ a gun there's a very good chance that the farther away they are, the worse shot they are and would miss the killzone or miss me entirely.

My hand's in my pocket on the hilt and any time I can thumb the saftey off so I wait and let them show their intentions.

If I have to shoot, I'll shoot to do the maximum amount of deterrence to make them stop their threatening behavior... If that means using lethal force then so be it if they won't obey my commands to stop..

Even if I killed the suspect, I'd have legal precedent to not face manslaughter charges so I doubt that I'd be punished for defending myself.

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:58:41 EDT

RR Conductor :

There are plenty of self defense options, not just guns, martial arts, pepper spray and stun guns come to mind.
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:24:41 EDT

Dodge :

What if you are planning to rob someone and you have a gun? Who cares what they point at you? On top of that if you were robbing someone would they have a chance to pull a gun? What if you wind up in a standoff?

And just out of curiosity, while we are on the subject of situational awareness, answer me this:

You are walking down a street, its late, there is only you and another guy walking towards you. Lets pretend he is around 6 feet tall, jeans, sneakers, coat, nothing fancy. About 10 feet away from you he reaches into his inside coat pocket but continues to walk towards you. Do you pull the gun? Do you take the safety off (depending on what gun you have) and keep your hand near the gun?

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:13:23 EDT

lagged : It doesn't sound like you have much expereince with firearms or carrying. That's fine, but don't argue based on "Lets face it criminals pack bigger guns so a scrawny lady with a tiny little gun might as well carry a water piston? ". That just makes no sense.
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:12:23 EDT

drjim : Proper training (at least in California) includes NOT shooting them in the back. If they see the gun and decide not to attack you and then flee, they're no longer a threat to you, and you cannot justify using deadly force.
Other than that, I agree with you. A couple of center-of-mass hits from a 40S&W will definitely make your attacker wish they were in a different line of work.
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:08:20 EDT

Logan 5 : @ hack4fun

If I shot you with a Glock 40, no matter what my size is and I'm aiming for the kill zone you'd be dead....As long as one is properly trained and has situational awareness then I would if I had a glock pointed at me b/c I was going to rob or hurt someone turn around and run away from the person as fast as I could and pray that they wouldn't shoot me in the back as I was fleeing the scene.

Period.

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:59:10 EDT

44402812 :

said by drjim :

That says more about the sorry state of police officials than individual self-defense.

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:53:53 EDT

lagged : A firearm doesn't always guarantee safety but if carried by a competent person it can help even the odds greatly. If anything women and handicapped need to be able to defend themselves more.
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:44:04 EDT

drjim : That says more about the sorry state of police officials than individual self-defense.
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:38:02 EDT

44402812 :

said by drjim :

There's obviously a lot you don't understand about self-defense, especially being aware of your surroundings.
If she's smart enough to take the training to get a CCW permit, then she knows about the conditions of awareness, and I doubt she walks around in "Condition White".

Yeah that's not saying much:

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxhYaUjZ···=related

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:31:33 EDT

drjim : There's obviously a lot you don't understand about self-defense, especially being aware of your surroundings.
If she's smart enough to take the training to get a CCW permit, then she knows about the conditions of awareness, and I doubt she walks around in "Condition White".
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:25:47 EDT

44402812 :

said by papi4baby :

said by RR Conductor :

Oh, just wondering why she wants to carry on, is New Orleans that dangerous now?

How about but because is her constitutional right to carry!
How about because is a free(somewhat) country, and people have the right choose to protect themselves if they want to!

To OP.

The Kahr are not bad to shoot, i have no experience with the PM9, but i can tell you the P9 and K9 series are very well made and very accurate.

Another thing to mentioned is to make sure you get some night sights installed.

Train, train, and train some more.

And a gun wont help anyone that does not have the right mindset. ie why do you need to carry, or why not just pepper spray.

Give me a break. Some that is her size and weight would not stand a chance even with a hand gun! If someone wanted to hurt her like one guy said she would be blacked out before she know what hit her. No Offense...

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:49:43 EDT

exocets_girl : My Glock 23 .40 caliber is also an adequate carry for a 5-2 female.

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:22:40 EDT

drjim : As Jeff Cooper said, you can use them for self defense, but if you have to shoot somebody with it, and they find out about it, they're going to be awfully mad!
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:56:23 EDT

dynodb :

said by Ray422 :

said by SmackWeasel :
Edit: BTW, this should be an ADEQUATE carry for a 5-2 female.

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:48:51 EDT

Logan 5 :

said by Ivan :

Cousin is a state trooper. Was amazed when he told me that a lot of troopers do not carry when off duty.

I can imagine that after 12+ hours on a shift, that some officers want to just leave the job at the job and not want to carry the enormous moral and ethical responsibility that carrying a gun 24/7 would bring.

But then there's probably also some who carry in a shoulder holster as well as their backup an ankle holster everywhere they go......

Comfort level maybe??

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:12:05 EDT

Ivan :

said by exocet_cm :

. . . Some of them when off duty they wear pants with ankle holsters. Others just don't carry on their person.

Cousin is a state trooper. Was amazed when he told me that a lot of troopers do not carry when off duty.
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:11:08 EDT

exocet_cm :

said by 81399672 :

said by exocet_cm :

said by Logan 5 :

Does John have any recommendations for you? He must work with some female officers/detectives on his shift, maybe he can ask what they would recommend for you..?

Actually no, most of the female officers here wear their sidearms on the outside waste band and just throw a baggy shirt over their sidearms.

Most of the ladies are either uniformed officers or detectives. Some of them when off duty they wear pants with ankle holsters. Others just don't carry on their person.

I've been asking around though.

Does your department not have a policy that offduty officer must be carrying at all times?

No policy exists.
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:04:42 EDT
81399672 :
said by exocet_cm :

said by Logan 5 :

Does John have any recommendations for you? He must work with some female officers/detectives on his shift, maybe he can ask what they would recommend for you..?

Actually no, most of the female officers here wear their sidearms on the outside waste band and just throw a baggy shirt over their sidearms.

Most of the ladies are either uniformed officers or detectives. Some of them when off duty they wear pants with ankle holsters. Others just don't carry on their person.

I've been asking around though.

Does your department not have a policy that offduty officer must be carrying at all times?
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:00:48 EDT
exocet_cm :
said by Logan 5 :

Does John have any recommendations for you? He must work with some female officers/detectives on his shift, maybe he can ask what they would recommend for you..?

Actually no, most of the female officers here wear their sidearms on the outside waste band and just throw a baggy shirt over their sidearms.

Most of the ladies are either uniformed officers or detectives. Some of them when off duty they wear pants with ankle holsters. Others just don't carry on their person.

I've been asking around though.
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:54:45 EDT
Transmaster : First off The Model 60LS Revolver - LadySmith would be my first choice. As for concealed carry one of the favorite choices is a purse holster, for a woman shoulder holsters can be a problem, there are also clothing that have concealed holsters built right into them. What ever system you pick out make sure you practise with it until drawing and firing are second nature.
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:25:28 EDT
papi4baby :
said by RR Conductor :

Oh, just wondering why she wants to carry on, is New Orleans that dangerous now?

How about but because is her constitutional right to carry!
How about because is a free(somewhat) country, and people have the right choose to protect themselves if they want to!

To OP.

The Kahr are not bad to shoot, i have no experience with the PM9, but i can tell you the P9 and K9 series are very well made and very accurate.

Another thing to mentioned is to make sure you get some night sights installed.

Train, train, and train some more.

And a gun wont help anyone that does not have the right mindset. ie why do you need to carry, or why not just pepper spray.

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:23:29 EDT
RR Conductor : Now THAT is a funny movie! Mel Brook is a genius!

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:19:46 EDT
Mr Neutron :
said by Logan 5 :

said by RR Conductor :

I live in a very rural, quiet area up here in Northwestern California (Mendocino County), not much happens up here lol
People probably too busy harvesting the local cannabis crop to be victimizing themselves and others.... :p :o

I have to ask: how can people victimize themselves? Unless, of course, you mean something along the lines of the "New Sheriff" scene from Blazing Saddles.

Harriet Johnson: Isn't anybody going to help that poor man?

Dr. Sam Johnson: Hush, Harriet! That's a sure way to get him killed! :p

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=upvZdVK913I

I love those idiot townspeople. :)
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 04:55:39 EDT
RR Conductor :
said by Logan 5 :

said by RR Conductor :

I live in a very rural, quiet area up here in Northwestern California (Mendocino County), not much happens up here lol
People probably too busy harvesting the local cannabis crop to be victimizing themselves and others.... :p :o

Nope, enjoying the beauty that so many wished they had ;)
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 04:39:42 EDT
pmohr :
said by Ray422 :

I don't care what that article says, you better be careful believing that crap. Depends upon the type of mis-fire. If the primer fires, it leaves the bullet jammed in the barrel. The next shot blows the gun up...and maybe blinds or kills you.
In a panic-situation, you won't comprehend the meaning of a low-noise primer firing.

True, although you should note that it's not a revolver-specific problem; anything from a revolver to a bolt action rifle to a semi-auto handgun can potentially encounter a squib round. An ammo thing, unrelated to the host firearm.

On that note, have you seen this before? Scary.

»www.thegunzone.com/squib.html

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 04:06:00 EDT
Ray422 :
said by SmackWeasel :

Here's a search battleop:

»world.guns.ru/handguns/hg00-e.htm

Quote:
...the revolvers were more reliable, primarily, because of the simplicity of the design....No jams, no stoppages. Even in the case of the misfire you just got to pull the trigger again - and next round will go.
I don't care what that article says, you better be careful believing that crap. Depends upon the type of mis-fire. If the primer fires, it leaves the bullet jammed in the barrel. The next shot blows the gun up...and maybe blinds or kills you.
In a panic-situation, you won't comprehend the meaning of a low-noise primer firing.

Edit: BTW, this should be an ADEQUATE carry for a 5-2 female.
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 03:05:43 EDT
Logan 5 :
said by RR Conductor :

I live in a very rural, quiet area up here in Northwestern California (Mendocino County), not much happens up here lol
People probably too busy harvesting the local cannabis crop to be victimizing themselves and others.... :p :o

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:44:19 EDT
Logan 5 : Does John have any recommendations for you? He must work with some female officers/detectives on his shift, maybe he can ask what they would recommend for you..?

I saw this thread in passing through BBR tonight and since I know John, I thought I'd ask... :D

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 00:25:08 EDT
RR Conductor :
said by exocet_cm :

said by RR Conductor :

Oh, just wondering why she wants to carry on, is New Orleans that dangerous now?

New Orleans is pretty dangerous. I got off work about 20 minutes ago. For a Monday our district was quiet but our neighboring district was going nuts (as it is usually the wild west in our neighboring district).

Problem is; the two areas she frequents are also the two areas with the most tourism which in turn results in more crime (person and property crime).

I can certainly understand that then. I live in a very rural, quiet area up here in Northwestern California (Mendocino County), not much happens up here lol
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 00:23:18 EDT
exocet_cm :
said by RR Conductor :

Oh, just wondering why she wants to carry on, is New Orleans that dangerous now?

New Orleans is pretty dangerous. I got off work about 20 minutes ago. For a Monday our district was quiet but our neighboring district was going nuts (as it is usually the wild west in our neighboring district).

Problem is; the two areas she frequents are also the two areas with the most tourism which in turn results in more crime (person and property crime).
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 00:21:00 EDT
RR Conductor : Oh, just wondering why she wants to carry on, is New Orleans that dangerous now?
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 00:20:17 EDT
exocet_cm :
said by RR Conductor :

Are you a PI or something along those lines?

No, she isn't.

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 00:19:33 EDT
RR Conductor : Are you a PI or something along those lines?

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:40:47 EDT
exocets_girl : The pm9 is nice... I like the small frame, but I've actually never handled a gun that small before. I guess it just depends on what you're used to!

Does your girlfriend carry in her purse, or on-body? Where does she find to be the best place to holster it? I imagine that small frame is MUCH easier to conceal than my G23!!! :)
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:25:44 EDT
SirMeowmixIII : For those of you who wish to forgo your right to self-preservation and elect to be a victim of crime (perhaps violent crime) please follow the below directions. Remember, criminals prefer an unarmed citizenry and only a fool would substitute "pepper spray" for the most effective tool in a life or death situation:

said by 44402812 :

Stick to pepper spray, all we need is more idiots in the wild west!

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:42:32 EDT
AricBrown :
said by SmackWeasel :

- True I've never owned nor fired a Glock. I've owned a browning 9mm and a Smith and Wesson.45, I now own a Baretta 9mm.

- Although I have on occasion had a simi-auto jam on me because of a hesitant and unsteady trigger finger or through rapid firing of the weapon. I've learned to press firmly and count my shots to overcome this. I wonder what someone would do in a emergency situation.

I have a first generation glock 17, It has over 20k of rounds put through it and it has jammed on me twice. Both times it was reloaded ammo. When I carry I do not use reloaded ammo only factory loads. Reloads are for practice only. My glock only has 1 safety, that is my finger. It fires every time I pull the trigger, I would and do trust this gun with my life everyday.

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:38:53 EDT
Greg_Z : Why, are you afraid of people that carry & know how to use the weapon? In Nola, and other southern states, you need CC to survive.
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:37:53 EDT
44402812 :
said by exocets_girl :

Just got a Glock 23 for my birthday from my husband... At the end of the summer I will be getting my concealed carry permit. I'm starting to look into my options when it comes to carrying.

Here is my situation: I'm young and small-- 5'2" and 100 lbs. Between my petite frame and the fact that I do like to be relatively fashionable, my clothes are not entirely forgiving when it comes to concealing a weapon.

I'm not at all opposed to carrying on my person, in fact, it's quite appealing to me. I know it's probably the best/safest option... however, let's face it, there are DEFINITELY times where it will be literally impossible to carry on-body.

Any suggestions for both on-body holsters specifically designed for women as well was CCW purses? Any carrying women out there who can offer some suggestions?

Thanks! :)

Stick to pepper spray, all we need is more idiots in the wild west!

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:30:53 EDT
i1me2ao : my wife carries her 380 in side pocket of purse. the main thing we discussed is being aware and able to avoid any situation. just because you are carrying does not excuse poor judgement. she will still walk out at night with someone and avoid certain areas regardless. this quick draw crap is for the movies.

for example i can stand 40 ft from you and tell you i am coming for you and before you can draw weapon from side holster your ass is mine. if in doubt try it with a friend..
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:23:07 EDT
Greg_Z : He is a cop & resides in Nola. What kind of question is that?

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:20:08 EDT
Tychicus : My old mother just went through a shooting/defense class and the guy told her she was one of the best shots he had ever had in any of his classes.

The biggest thing is to shoot your gun often and practise getting it out of your holster or purse or whatever your using.

You might consider getting a tacticle light installed on it to help blind and identify your target and or a good lazer site.

Just think, if one of the students or a teacher had a concealed permit at Colombine there would have been many less deaths as one of my fav bumper stickers says...

"Blaming guns for Columbine is like blaming spoons for Rosie O'donnel being fat! "
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:16:32 EDT
innovvation : i bought my girl a kahr pm9. it's a small gun. there's an even smaller one, kahr p380.

a gun once saved my life with out even having to fire it. what matters is the intimidation. the watching-a-full-grown-rottweiler-running-towards-you effect.

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:04:48 EDT
way2evil :
said by SmackWeasel :

You should replace the Glock for a more reliable revolver*
Simi-auto's are to be hand held on the ready, or as back-up for a revolver.

You've probably never encountered a situation that calls for gun play. Remember once you pull it on someone, it's a do or die situation. Would you be able to retrieve the glock, cock it, aim and fire? What about the safety? Will you remember if it's engaged or not? It would be a bummer if the perp snatched it away from you as you fumbled with it.

Also alot of people get hurt thinking an auto is empty after removing the clip only to find one round still chambered...ouch!

*Smith & Wesson 38 special featherweight for example. All you gotta do is grab, aim and fire. No extra steps to worry about.

Have you ever seen a Glock? The safety is on the trigger.

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:37:41 EDT
neonhomer :
said by exocets_girl :

Thanks! I came across the website for thunderwear, but wasn't sure if they were really that great... glad to hear someone has seen them at a show!

I really love the glock 27... but they were backordered all across southeast louisiana, so I ended up going with the 23.

The woman who was demonstrating the garment was of a smaller stature. I couldn't really tell if the gun was visible or not from the outside, as I was trying to ~~look down her pants~~ listen to what she had to say.
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:45:40 EDT
ixNay : Good to see someone else uses comp-tac. I too carry a Glock 19 with this holster »www.comp-tac.com/product_info.ph···ts_id=68

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:43:09 EDT
Mashiki :
said by Mad Mac :

I'm impressed that we've got this far without a single 'weapon' joke.....

Well I was going down the street one day and...

I'm just kidding. I'm a fan of Glocks. I used to practice down in Indianapolis with a Glock22, probably put 2000 rounds through it myself and had it jam once. It had near 15-30k rounds through it between two other people. Loved that gun. Ah well, I need to finish getting my CRFSC.

To exocets_girl , all the power to you. My buddy's then gf could never find anything that fit well enough to be stylish, and that was 5ish years ago. It hasn't changed.
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:30:38 EDT
eatatjoz : I'll add another cornered cat link.
»www.corneredcat.com/Practical/fa···ble.aspx
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:10:31 EDT
drjim : Cornered Cat has some very good advice for women's carry rigs.
»www.corneredcat.com/TOC.aspx
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:41:55 EDT
pmohr :
said by Alakar :

Another point, modern semi-auto's do not use clips, they use magazines. The only semi-auto I can think of off-hand that did use clips was the Broom Handled Mauser.
Indeed, that always irks me for some reason. Cue the typical internet picture response above (there's a much better one with a clip in the magwell of an AK, can't seem to find it ATM).

said by Alakar :

Where exactly did you get this notion? I've been shooting for more then 30 years and have never heard of anything like this.

Best I can tell, he's referring to limp-wristing. I've shot several handguns that can and will FTE or FTF if you don't have a proper grip on the weapon.

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:26:14 EDT
Spensergig : Personally, I like the forums at »www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/index.php for ideas.
More than one moderator there is female, and prepared to speak to problems unique to women.
You'll find a new mother named Limatunes at »web.mac.com/mj_lauer/iWeb/RangeD···ome.html and she has had some very interesting ideas.
Another site, »www.corneredcat.com/ is focused on women's specific issues.

Personally, I (male) carry a PPK/S in a mini-tuck from »www.crossbreedholsters.com/ and hear nothing but good about the vendor. DefensiveCarry.com also maintains a list of vendors, and active forums that might give you good ideas.

Enjoy your new toy. I think that's what my daughter has.

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:12:16 EDT
papi4baby : First off, dont listen to weasel.

To the OP.

Great weapon by the way. I would consider the purse carry for that size and your frame. In the summer if you want to have it on your body look into the Glock 27 or see if you like the Kahr a P9 or PM9 would be great for your size.

Best of luck.

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:05:34 EDT
dispatcher21 : I have been carrying a loaded Glock 19 for over three years. I have never come close to an accidental discharge. I use a CTAC holster. »www.comp-tac.com/product_info.ph···ts_id=61

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:45:34 EDT
exocets_girl : Thanks! I came across the website for thunderwear, but wasn't sure if they were really that great... glad to hear someone has seen them at a show!

I really love the glock 27... but they were backordered all across southeast louisiana, so I ended up going with the 23.
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:38:44 EDT
Mad Mac : I'm impressed that we've got this far without a single 'weapon' joke.....

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:38:39 EDT
neonhomer : I saw this at a show one time.. it's called "Thunderwear", and it is basically outer underwear. There was a woman at this show who had them on under jeans, and she was able to quickly produce the weapon she was carrying (a small, thin semi-auto).

She never did answer to wiether or not she was wearing underwear under her Thunderwear, but she did say you could wear them without underwear. (For those who prefer to "go commando".)

Seriously though, they wrap around your waist, approxamatley where the waistband of your underwear would go, and they have a couple of pockets in them, to carry a weapon or valuables. I think they were going for around $30-40 a pair, and had them for men and women.

About Glocks - I have run into a lot of Glock haters. I own a Glock 22 and 27 (both .40). The 27 I am going to carrying, and the 22 is my home/hotel defense weapon. I picked a Glock for the simple reason that I don't have to worry about a manual saftey. Chamber a round, and it's ready to go. Glocks require premium ammo, so the chances of a "dud" round are reduced, but not eliminated. If you know "tap, rack, bang", you can clear a Type 1 malfunction quickly. (IIRC, Type 1 is a failure to eject, either from a low power round, or a broken extractor.)

If you are interested in pistol training videos, I would recommend Tactical Responses "Fighting Pistol" series. A lot of good information.

BTW - magazine is the proper term, not clip. Not that it matters, if you say either most will know what you are talking about.
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:30:50 EDT
lagged : A glock 23 is a nice gun but its very big to conceal carry. Doublestack glocks are very thick which I don't like for concealed carry. If you are going to CC often I would recommend a smaller gun.

I always carry a Ruger LCP which is light and thin but it fires a weaker round, .380. You should take a look at these.
For when I can hide more fire power or I am open carrying, I carry a full size 1911 in .45.

Revolvers are nice, but they are thick and aren't the easiest thing to conceal for me. There's a lot of semi auto bashing in this thread and almost all of it is flat out wrong.

Being a large male I always carry on my person. I don't know much about off body carry, but I would look for a purse/bag with a hidden velcro compartment with a holster inside. This would allow for quick access while still being secure. You just have the whole issue of making sure the bag is with you and safe.

If you are taking a woman's concealed carry course I would think that they will go over suggestions of female specific methods of carry. They might even have some options on hand to demonstrate.
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:10:35 EDT
exocets_girl : The self-defense class that I'm interested in taking covers a lot of that. It is a class specifically for women who carry. It covers self-defense when you can't use/get to your gun, how to keep control of your gun so your attacker does not wrestle it from you, as well as common sense situational awareness and "street smarts." It's a good class, and even though my husband has gone over (and over and over and over) this stuff with me, I'm looking forward to taking the class with a law enforcement officer I'm NOT married to! ;)

Just don't want anyone to think I'm stepping into this blindly...
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:54:17 EDT
cowboyro : Another point: while I strongly believe that carrying a gun is a good idea for protection, there may be times (as suggested) when there isn't enough reaction time to pull the gun. In such a case being somewhat skilled in self-defense can be a life saver. Pure force is many times very difficult to overcome - so constant training is required if safety is a concern. Also there is a psychological factor involved - a good trainer can teach how to use an attacker's brain against himself.

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:50:21 EDT
exocets_girl : Thanks for all the suggestions and responses! I was not expecting so many!

I know there are a lot of opinions out there, but I've made my decision that I will carry, and what I will carry. I'm definitely not changing my mind about that.

I feel I should let you know (to put your minds at ease) that I'm not an inexperienced shooter, most of my experience being with .40 SA pistols, and I'm not a moron... I've never once forgotten that there was a round in the chamber, I'm always aware of my surroundings (comes with the territory when you have a cop for a husband and you live in New Orleans), and I'm perfectly comfortable and in control of my weapon. My plan is to keep my gun locked and loaded, as I have always done in my car, for fast and easy access in an emergency.

Thanks to everyone who posted links... I've found a few on body options, and am still looking for purses that don't look like they were designed in the 1980's! ;)

Any other suggestions are welcomed!!
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:30:10 EDT
SmackWeasel : - True I've never owned nor fired a Glock. I've owned a browning 9mm and a Smith and Wesson.45, I now own a Baretta 9mm.

- Although I have on occasion had a simi-auto jam on me because of a hesitant and unsteady trigger finger or through rapid firing of the weapon. I've learned to press firmly and count my shots to overcome this. I wonder what someone would do in a emergency situation.
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:22:53 EDT
Wills : Here's my take for what it's worth...

First, I could make a ton of money creating a concealed carry wardrobe for women. There's nothing out there.

You're going to probably have to make a wardrobe change if you plan on carrying. Sometimes us guys have to do it also, but it's easier for us.

The purses have it's pros and cons. The pro being that you get to keep your usual clothes. The con being that the purse is a target for theft to begin with, now they have your gun.

Fanny packs are an option, not a fasionable one, but still an option. A skinny girl like yourself should have no problem concealing a full size Glock with some simple baggy clothing.

Whatever you choose, practice drawing and holstering as much as you possibly can. Smooth is fast.
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:21:51 EDT
Mannus :
said by SmackWeasel :

You should replace the Glock for a more reliable revolver*
Simi-auto's are to be hand held on the ready, or as back-up for a revolver.

You've probably never encountered a situation that calls for gun play. Remember once you pull it on someone, it's a do or die situation. Would you be able to retrieve the glock, cock it, aim and fire? What about the safety? Will you remember if it's engaged or not? It would be a bummer if the perp snatched it away from you as you fumbled with it.

Also alot of people get hurt thinking an auto is empty after removing the clip only to find one round still chambered...ouch!

*Smith & Wesson 38 special featherweight for example. All you gotta do is grab, aim and fire. No extra steps to worry about.

#1 You don't "cock" a glock.
#2 Glocks have 3 internal safety mechanisms: 1) the trigger safety, 2) the firing pin safety, and c) the drop safety. Proper training (don't put your finger on the trigger unless your gonna pull it) helps too.

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:08:32 EDT
SmackWeasel : Here's a search battleop:

»world.guns.ru/handguns/hg00-e.htm

Quote:
...the revolvers were more reliable, primarily, because of the simplicity of the design....No jams, no stoppages. Even in the case of the misfire you just got to pull the trigger again - and next round will go. In semi-auto, you need sufficient power to cycle the slide, thus rendering underpowered loads almost inoperable in semi-autos. Also, in case of the misfire, or jam, you should manually cycle the slide to fire the next round. In defensive scenario, this may cost you another second, and may be - your life. So, in general, sixguns are far less sensitive to ammo quality, and, due to simplicity and inherent design features, could withstand far more abuse.
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and:
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handgun

Quote:
Advantages of revolvers
- Reliability: Blockages and malfunctions are virtually impossible in a revolver. A dud round is cleared by a simple pull of the trigger. Several types of blockages and malfunctions are possible (and fairly common) in semi-autos.

- Easier to determine if loaded: cartridges in a loaded revolver are readily apparent. An unloaded semi-auto is often visually identical to a loaded one

-Easier to clean and maintain: Revolvers have few exposed moving pieces and do not require disassembly. There is no risk of loss or breakage of pieces with a revolver. Semi-autos must be disassembled for cleaning, which may be difficult and risks losing or breaking vital pieces in the field or in darkness.
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One of the simi-auto's advantages over revolver actually supports my argument over accidental firings:

Quote:
- The nature of most semi-auto's operation makes the trigger pull much easier after the first round is fired, allowing for quick and accurate follow-up shots. Revolvers will always have strong trigger pulls unless the hammer is cocked before each shot, which greatly slows the shooter's rate of fire.
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:08:24 EDT
Mr Neutron :
said by Dodge :

My original point is this: if she is attacked unexpectedly as most of the time is the case with robbery or rape (by attacked I mean it did not start as an argument), the gun is most likely not going to help her, since the attacker already has a jump on her.

The gun will help her against a cocky jack-ass who pulls a knife and demands money, but only if she is prepared to use it and then face the music of the "equal or lesser force" crap (which persoanlly I think is total bull).

I'm afraid I have a tough time with folks who attempt to second-guess self-defense scenarios that other people might find themselves in. You don't know under what exact set of circumstances someone might get jumped and whether they would/would not have a chance to pull a weapon.

I think we can agree that pulling a gun on someone is something that should only be done under the direst, most threatening of circumstances. The difference between us is that I don't see any reason why the OP should not have that option.

If you don't want to carry a weapon yourself, that's just fine. But can you please not begrudge other people that option? If this was your wife, I hope you wouldn't try to talk her out of carrying those "10 guns and a bazooka" you referred to if that's what she wanted to carry.
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:06:00 EDT
Alakar :
said by SmackWeasel :

You should replace the Glock for a more reliable revolver*
Simi-auto's are to be hand held on the ready, or as back-up for a revolver.

You've probably never encountered a situation that calls for gun play. Remember once you pull it on someone, it's a do or die situation. Would you be able to retrieve the glock, cock it, aim and fire? What about the safety? Will you remember if it's engaged or not? It would be a bummer if the perp snatched it away from you as you fumbled with it.

Also alot of people get hurt thinking an auto is empty after removing the clip only to find one round still chambered...ouch!

*Smith & Wesson 38 special featherweight for example. All you gotta do is grab, aim and fire. No extra steps to worry about.

SmackWeasel you don't sound all that familiar with firearms and specifically the Glock.

First, a Glock has no external safety to engage or disengage. It also doesn't have a hammer, it uses a striker firing pin. When a round is chambered the striker is half-cocked and the firing pin block is engaged. The trigger is a two part arrangement requiring both parts to be squeezed simultaneously which cocks the striker the rest of the way and releases the firing pin when fully moved to the rear. The firing pin block prevents the firing pin from moving forward unless both parts of the trigger are engaged simultaneously. Glocks are just as safe as a revolver and as easy to pull and fire.

Another point, modern semi-auto's do not use clips, they use magazines. The only semi-auto I can think of off-hand that did use clips was the Broom Handled Mauser.

said by SmackWeasel :

Also as anyone who has owned a semi-auto knows; it takes a firm and steady trigger finger to keep the firing mechanism from jamming (Beretta the exception)

Where exactly did you get this notion? I've been shooting for more then 30 years and have never heard of anything like this.

Besides all this though, I agree with your suggestion of a .38 Featherlight. Much more concealable and I think a better overall size for someone 5'2" and 100lbs.
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:59:10 EDT
Dodge :
said by nickc50310 :

Its pretty much common sense. You can give a 100lb woman 20 years of martial arts training and put her up against one or two hardened thugs and she still wouldnt come out on top. Put a gun in her hand along with good training and situational awareness and she is far more likely to survive an attack.

I am a big guy. I used to work out and lift weights all the time (slackin these days). While I am a very nice guy I have been in quite a few fights since I was a kid (I never throw the first punch). I had a huge big brother beating me up most of my younger years. I know how to fight, and have had no training. One of my best friends is way smaller than me and has now been in ju jitsu and tae kwondo for several years. He is a high brown belt in tae kwon do and pretty high up in ju jitsu. Whenever we have messed around wrestling or light fighting or anything, he stands almost no chance and he still has not ever beat me.

Im definately not tough or anything, just using this as an example that self defense training, while helpful will not balance the odds as effectively as a gun.

Wrestling with your buddy is not the same thing as getting kicked in the nuts and getting an eye pressed out with a thumb (just 2 pleasant examples that differentiate a fight between friends and a fight for your life).

Next time give your friend a holster with a toy gun in it, jump on him unexpectedly, wrestle him to the ground and see how long it will take him to get the toy gun out. As a matter of fact while he is wrestling for the gun, you will have much easier time subduing him.

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:43:55 EDT
nickc50310 : Its pretty much common sense. You can give a 100lb woman 20 years of martial arts training and put her up against one or two hardened thugs and she still wouldnt come out on top. Put a gun in her hand along with good training and situational awareness and she is far more likely to survive an attack.

I am a big guy. I used to work out and lift weights all the time (slackin these days). While I am a very nice guy I have been in quite a few fights since I was a kid (I never throw the first punch). I had a huge big brother beating me up most of my younger years. I know how to fight, and have had no training. One of my best friends is way smaller than me and has now been in ju jitsu and tae kwondo for several years. He is a high brown belt in tae kwon do and pretty high up in ju jitsu. Whenever we have messed around wrestling or light fighting or anything, he stands almost no chance and he still has not ever beat me.

Im definately not tough or anything, just using this as an example that self defense training, while helpful will not balance the odds as effectively as a gun.

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:33:26 EDT
anon :
said by Ivan :

nothing sexier than a woman with a shoulder holster ;)

Except one wearing only a shoulder holster.

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:30:17 EDT
battleop : I tried a quick Goolge and didn't find anything that supported the safety of a revolver over a semi-auto or vice versa.

I would think that a semi-auto would be less dangerous because of it's complication compared to a revolver. There would be more steps involved in firing a semi-auto than a revolver.

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:24:16 EDT
Dodge :
said by exocet_cm :

quote:
now's the time to get him used to carrying it around for you.

I already carry, both on and off duty ;)

I might add something my wife didn't post originally, she can and has handled the 23 well at the range. She is becoming a better shot as she continues to practice with it. I definately have seen her improvement when she was shooting my off-duty 23.

A women's defense course is a good idea as well and she has expressed interest in it. My uncle, a sheriff's deputy for a neighboring parish teaches a women's defense course.

Ever fire a gun at another person? The reason why I am asking is I am curious how did you arive at a conclusion that getting her a gun (and I am guessing her only firearm training is firing your gun at the range) would be better than self defense course.

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:19:12 EDT
exocet_cm :
quote:
now's the time to get him used to carrying it around for you.

I already carry, both on and off duty ;)

I might add something my wife didn't post originally, she can and has handled the 23 well at the range. She is becoming a better shot as she continues to practice with it. I definately have seen her improvement when she was shooting my off-duty 23.

A women's defense course is a good idea as well and she has expressed interest in it. My uncle, a sheriff's deputy for a neighboring parish teaches a women's defense course.
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:16:56 EDT
Dodge :
said by Mr Neutron :

I agree that guns are not the end-all, be-all for self-defense, but I take issue with anyone who declares that someone else having a gun is a bad idea. That decision rests with that person and it's not up to you and I to decide what they should or should not have. With all due respect, it's their life on the line, not yours.

I don't care if she has 10 guns and a bazooka on her person if she knows what she is doing, but that's a side argument anyways.

My original point is this: if she is attacked unexpectedly as most of the time is the case with robbery or rape (by attacked I mean it did not start as an argument), the gun is most likely not going to help her, since the attacker already has a jump on her.

The gun will help her against a cocky jack-ass who pulls a knife and demands money, but only if she is prepared to use it and then face the music of the "equal or lesser force" crap (which persoanlly I think is total bull).

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:09:08 EDT
SmackWeasel :
said by battleop :

I guess you missed what I was getting at. A revolver is not any better or worse than a loaded simi-auto pistol. Both can be carried ready to fire at a moments notice. The bonus on a simil-auto pistol is it's safety (except Glocks). If you can't think clear enough in a bad situation to remember the safety them maybe you are not thinking clear enough to use the pistol. If you practice, practice, practice, you will develop habits so that you don't have to "think" about the safety if such a time comes that you will need the firearm.

Pardon me battleop, Yea I guess I did miss your point, thought you were referring to revolvers only in accidental shootings. I may be wrong to assume most people kill themselves accidentally via autos as they are a more complicated device.

I defiantly agree with:
[If you can't think clear enough in a bad situation to remember the safety them maybe you are not thinking clear enough to use the pistol.]
This is my main issue as well.

Fortunately most gun owners never actually fire their weapon in defense, so they will never know if they would panic or fumble. the "piece" remains at best a comfort blanket or at least a cocktail conversation accessory.

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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:05:06 EDT
81399672 : You're pretty small and pretty weak to handle weapon well to self defense your self. Being that you only weight 100 lb, someone can easily take it away from and use it against you. As such, gun might not be the best option for you. Being that you're lucking to use it for self defense, have you looked in to carrying pepper spray?
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:01:36 EDT
nickc50310 : Wow, SmackWeasel you sure are a gun expert! LMAO!

OP- Try different rigs and see what fits you best. Maybe get something smaller when needed. A G23 while not large by any means definately is not the smallest firearm available. Shop around for another gun to carry when needed. If that is not possible, the best option will be to dress as needed to conceal.

Why some people would not CCW with it condition 0 is totally beyond me. That split second to cock it may make the differenece between life and death. I have been a firearm owner and member of glocktalk for many years. While I dont currently have a CHL I do know a little bit about it. I really need to get my behind into the class to get one.

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:41:29 EDT
SmackWeasel : heh..true dat. Although he did end up with one gnarly French tickler.
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:40:04 EDT
battleop : I guess you missed what I was getting at. A revolver is not any better or worse than a loaded simi-auto pistol. Both can be carried ready to fire at a moments notice. The bonus on a simil-auto pistol is it's safety (except Glocks). If you can't think clear enough in a bad situation to remember the safety them maybe you are not thinking clear enough to use the pistol. If you practice, practice, practice, you will develop habits so that you don't have to "think" about the safety if such a time comes that you will need the firearm.

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:33:24 EDT
alphapointe :
said by SmackWeasel :

Whereas, I actually knew a dude that while dancing in a disco, blew the tip of his pecker off with a Llama 9mm auto tucked in his pants.

That'll ruin your chances for a date...
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:22:22 EDT
SmackWeasel :
said by battleop :

You forgot to list shooting your self by accident on you list of ridiculous reasons to own a revolver over a simi-auto.

If it's tucked in your pants and you're wrestling around in a fight yea maybe, but a holstered or stored revolver, the only way you're gonna shoot yourself is if you squeeze the trigger all the way back to the hammer. These aren't wild west hair triggers, there's a lot of resistance, not to mention the half-cock safety feature.

Whereas, I actually knew a dude that while dancing in a disco, blew the tip of his pecker off with a Llama 9mm auto tucked in his pants.
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:07:21 EDT
SmackWeasel :
said by ixNay :

said by SmackWeasel :

All you gotta do is grab, aim and fire. No extra steps to worry about.

The same goes with a glock. A little bit of training and familiarization with the firearm you decide to carry goes a long way!

Questions:
- Does she keep it locked and loaded at all times/or will she by default, play it safe and leave it un-cocked until ready to use.

- If it's locked and loaded, when she decides to take the clip out, will she remember to eject the round in chamber? Or perhaps a child thinking the weapon is unloaded because the clip is removed fires what appears to be an empty weapon? Statistically, this is the way most people die of self inflicted accidental handgun shootings.

I just can't see a novice user or even a more experienced user fumbling with a loaded auto in a panic situation. Using a revolver in an emergency situation takes less steps and temporal thought out of the equation and places thought in the more primal reactive area of the brain.

Pull, aim, fire, no thoughts 3 steps verses; Pull, take safety off and/or cock weapon, aim, fire. Or horrors!; Dang-it, forgot to take safety off....meanwhile....

Also as anyone who has owned a semi-auto knows; it takes a firm and steady trigger finger to keep the firing mechanism from jamming (Beretta the exception)
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:07:16 EDT
Mr Neutron :
said by Dodge :

at 5'2" and 100lbs, you have a pretty good chance of getting shot with your own gun after it's taken away from you. I am assuming you have it for defense, so if someone attacks you, you will have to get enough room to pull the gun, aim and shoot. Being so tiny I honestly don't see you wrigling free enough to effectively use a firearm.

This is a semi-valid point. Please allow me to explain.

As another poster pointed out, once you've drawn a gun, you've decided that you will, very shortly, be taking a human life. And to be clear, under some circumstances, doing so is unavoidable.

The trick is to be aware of your surroundings and exercise enough caution so that, if possible, you avoid having to draw the weapon and waste perfectly good ammunition on some ding-dong.

In addition to the Glock, would it be possible for the OP to also take a women's self defense course? I don't know if such courses emphasize awareness and street smarts, but that's what I'm trying to get at here. That is, having awareness and street smarts can go a long way toward preventing you from needing to draw a weapon in the first place. However, nothing is infallible so, yes, you should by all means have a gun in case push comes to shove and you can't run/talk your way out of the situation.

With that said, the whole "the bad guys will just wrestle it away from you anyhow" argument is utter crap. I'm sorry, but when it comes right down to it, even half a chance of remaining alive and uninjured is better than none at all.

And that, after all, is probably why the OP's husband purchased that weapon for her: because he wants to give her the best chance possible for survival. I only suggest the women's self defense course as a way to improve those odds even further.

I agree that guns are not the end-all, be-all for self-defense, but I take issue with anyone who declares that someone else having a gun is a bad idea. That decision rests with that person and it's not up to you and I to decide what they should or should not have. With all due respect, it's their life on the line, not yours.
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 10:49:35 EDT
cowboyro : Personally I think that a G23 is a bit big and heavy for a small person (I own a G23). Maybe look into something smaller - certainly you don't *NEED* 13rds... My wife has a hard time pulling the slide, and when fractions of second count you don't want to mess with that. Can't leave it chambered since the only TRUE safety of a Glock is your brain. Despite what some haters say it's a very reliable and accurate gun (G23 is standard FBI issue) - but it must fit your hands well.
My suggestion - go to a range and try few guns, find one that is small enough yet you can shoot easily and precisely. A 9mm will do just fine for concealed carry.

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 10:20:09 EDT
battleop : You forgot to list shooting your self by accident on you list of ridiculous reasons to own a revolver over a simi-auto.

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 10:12:38 EDT
ixNay :
said by SmackWeasel :

All you gotta do is grab, aim and fire. No extra steps to worry about.

The same goes with a glock. A little bit of training and familiarization with the firearm you decide to carry goes a long way!

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:51:02 EDT
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:42:55 EDT
Ivan : Good for you E_G. Tim_k gave you some good starting points. Most of us that CC have more than 1 holster - different events, different positions.

Ignore the anti gun, anti Glock crowd. I carry a Glock 26 and it's fired 5000+ rds without a hiccup. They are reliable.

My wife carries a Bersa - nothing sexier than a woman with a shoulder holster ;)
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:27:10 EDT
mark5019 : glocks can be carried loaded with a round in the chamber safely there .

true a revolver is better for a beginner.

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:15:34 EDT
Tuxified : Congrats!
I was going to post some links to ladies concealment bags, but tim_k gave some excellent ones above in his post.

Pay no attention to the carry critics and firearm ignorant here at BBR,
Glock firearms are fine weapons, just as safe, fast to deploy and easy to operate as any other... My only advice is to Practice, Practice, Practice with it at a firing range....and it will undoubtedly serve you well once you become familiar with it.
A firearm properly carried and if necessary, wielded, makes the trained woman carrying it an equal to any man regardless of size or strength.

Carry in good health, and hopefully you'll never have to use it for more than practice.

Oh, and happy belated birthday! :)
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:49:29 EDT
Dodge : at 5'2" and 100lbs, you have a pretty good chance of getting shot with your own gun after it's taken away from you. I am assuming you have it for defense, so if someone attacks you, you will have to get enough room to pull the gun, aim and shoot. Being so tiny I honestly don't see you wrigling free enough to effectively use a firearm.

Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 07:50:49 EDT
SmackWeasel : You should replace the Glock for a more reliable revolver*
Simi-auto's are to be hand held on the ready, or as back-up for a revolver.

You've probably never encountered a situation that calls for gun play. Remember once you pull it on someone, it's a do or die situation. Would you be able to retrieve the glock, cock it, aim and fire? What about the safety? Will you remember if it's engaged or not? It would be a bummer if the perp snatched it away from you as you fumbled with it.

Also alot of people get hurt thinking an auto is empty after removing the clip only to find one round still chambered...ouch!

*Smith & Wesson 38 special featherweight for example. All you gotta do is grab, aim and fire. No extra steps to worry about.
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 03:13:56 EDT
Mr Neutron :
said by exocets_girl :

I'm not at all opposed to carrying on my person, in fact, it's quite appealing to me. I know it's probably the best/safest option... however, let's face it, there are DEFINITELY times where it will be literally impossible to carry on-body.

Can I be honest here? I thought the whole point to women getting married was so they could get their husbands to carry their stuff around for them. :)

Since there are, as you say, times where it will be impossible to carry the weapon on-body, now's the time to get him used to carrying it around for you. That way, there's no fumbling in a concealed pocket or purse: you just hold out your hand, your husband slaps the gun into it, and the miscreant can then make up his/her mind as to whether or not they want to find something else to do.

Problem solved! :D

(I'm afraid tim_k's the one with all the practical suggestions.)
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 01:14:15 EDT
tim_k : There are fanny packs mainly designed for cc. »www.cabelas.com/prod-1/0034830227754a.shtml

There are tactical jeans that have an inside pocket for your handgun. »www.gearboxsales.com/content-pro···ans.html
and »www.nrastore.com/nra/Product.asp···SS%20691 but not very stylish.

More options:

»www.ladiesprotection.com/
»www.coronadoleather.com/default.···n=696973

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Women's Concealed Carry

Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:56:08 EDT
exocets_girl : Just got a Glock 23 for my birthday from my husband... At the end of the summer I will be getting my concealed carry permit. I'm starting to look into my options when it comes to carrying.

Here is my situation: I'm young and small-- 5'2" and 100 lbs. Between my petite frame and the fact that I do like to be relatively fashionable, my clothes are not entirely forgiving when it comes to concealing a weapon.

I'm not at all opposed to carrying on my person, in fact, it's quite appealing to me. I know it's probably the best/safest option... however, let's face it, there are DEFINITELY times where it will be literally impossible to carry on-body.

Any suggestions for both on-body holsters specifically designed for women as well was CCW purses? Any carrying women out there who can offer some suggestions?

Thanks! :)
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