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Re: Women's Concealed Carry
You're pretty small and pretty weak to handle weapon well to self defense your self. Being that you only weight 100 lb, someone can easily take it away from and use it against you. As such, gun might not be the best option for you. Being that you're lucking to use it for self defense, have you looked in to carrying pepper spray?
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SmackWeasel
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said by battleop  :I guess you missed what I was getting at. A revolver is not any better or worse than a loaded simi-auto pistol. Both can be carried ready to fire at a moments notice. The bonus on a simil-auto pistol is it's safety (except Glocks). If you can't think clear enough in a bad situation to remember the safety them maybe you are not thinking clear enough to use the pistol. If you practice, practice, practice, you will develop habits so that you don't have to "think" about the safety if such a time comes that you will need the firearm. Pardon me battleop, Yea I guess I did miss your point, thought you were referring to revolvers only in accidental shootings. I may be wrong to assume most people kill themselves accidentally via autos as they are a more complicated device.
I defiantly agree with:
[If you can't think clear enough in a bad situation to remember the safety them maybe you are not thinking clear enough to use the pistol.]
This is my main issue as well.
Fortunately most gun owners never actually fire their weapon in defense, so they will never know if they would panic or fumble. the "piece" remains at best a comfort blanket or at least a cocktail conversation accessory.
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Dodge
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said by Mr Neutron :I agree that guns are not the end-all, be-all for self-defense, but I take issue with anyone who declares that someone else having a gun is a bad idea. That decision rests with that person and it's not up to you and I to decide what they should or should not have. With all due respect, it's their life on the line, not yours. I don't care if she has 10 guns and a bazooka on her person if she knows what she is doing, but that's a side argument anyways.
My original point is this: if she is attacked unexpectedly as most of the time is the case with robbery or rape (by attacked I mean it did not start as an argument), the gun is most likely not going to help her, since the attacker already has a jump on her.
The gun will help her against a cocky jack-ass who pulls a knife and demands money, but only if she is prepared to use it and then face the music of the "equal or lesser force" crap (which persoanlly I think is total bull). |
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now's the time to get him used to carrying it around for you.
I already carry, both on and off duty 
I might add something my wife didn't post originally, she can and has handled the 23 well at the range. She is becoming a better shot as she continues to practice with it. I definately have seen her improvement when she was shooting my off-duty 23.
A women's defense course is a good idea as well and she has expressed interest in it. My uncle, a sheriff's deputy for a neighboring parish teaches a women's defense course.
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Dodge
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| said by exocet_cm : quote:
now's the time to get him used to carrying it around for you.
I already carry, both on and off duty I might add something my wife didn't post originally, she can and has handled the 23 well at the range. She is becoming a better shot as she continues to practice with it. I definately have seen her improvement when she was shooting my off-duty 23. A women's defense course is a good idea as well and she has expressed interest in it. My uncle, a sheriff's deputy for a neighboring parish teaches a women's defense course. Ever fire a gun at another person? The reason why I am asking is I am curious how did you arive at a conclusion that getting her a gun (and I am guessing her only firearm training is firing your gun at the range) would be better than self defense course. |
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battleop
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I tried a quick Goolge and didn't find anything that supported the safety of a revolver over a semi-auto or vice versa.
I would think that a semi-auto would be less dangerous because of it's complication compared to a revolver. There would be more steps involved in firing a semi-auto than a revolver. |
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said by Ivan :nothing sexier than a woman with a shoulder holster Except one wearing only a shoulder holster. |
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nickc50310
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Its pretty much common sense. You can give a 100lb woman 20 years of martial arts training and put her up against one or two hardened thugs and she still wouldnt come out on top. Put a gun in her hand along with good training and situational awareness and she is far more likely to survive an attack.
I am a big guy. I used to work out and lift weights all the time (slackin these days). While I am a very nice guy I have been in quite a few fights since I was a kid (I never throw the first punch). I had a huge big brother beating me up most of my younger years. I know how to fight, and have had no training. One of my best friends is way smaller than me and has now been in ju jitsu and tae kwondo for several years. He is a high brown belt in tae kwon do and pretty high up in ju jitsu. Whenever we have messed around wrestling or light fighting or anything, he stands almost no chance and he still has not ever beat me.
Im definately not tough or anything, just using this as an example that self defense training, while helpful will not balance the odds as effectively as a gun. |
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Dodge
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| said by nickc50310 :Its pretty much common sense. You can give a 100lb woman 20 years of martial arts training and put her up against one or two hardened thugs and she still wouldnt come out on top. Put a gun in her hand along with good training and situational awareness and she is far more likely to survive an attack. I am a big guy. I used to work out and lift weights all the time (slackin these days). While I am a very nice guy I have been in quite a few fights since I was a kid (I never throw the first punch). I had a huge big brother beating me up most of my younger years. I know how to fight, and have had no training. One of my best friends is way smaller than me and has now been in ju jitsu and tae kwondo for several years. He is a high brown belt in tae kwon do and pretty high up in ju jitsu. Whenever we have messed around wrestling or light fighting or anything, he stands almost no chance and he still has not ever beat me. Im definately not tough or anything, just using this as an example that self defense training, while helpful will not balance the odds as effectively as a gun. Wrestling with your buddy is not the same thing as getting kicked in the nuts and getting an eye pressed out with a thumb (just 2 pleasant examples that differentiate a fight between friends and a fight for your life).
Next time give your friend a holster with a toy gun in it, jump on him unexpectedly, wrestle him to the ground and see how long it will take him to get the toy gun out. As a matter of fact while he is wrestling for the gun, you will have much easier time subduing him. |
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Alakar
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said by SmackWeasel :You should replace the Glock for a more reliable revolver* Simi-auto's are to be hand held on the ready, or as back-up for a revolver. You've probably never encountered a situation that calls for gun play. Remember once you pull it on someone, it's a do or die situation. Would you be able to retrieve the glock, cock it, aim and fire? What about the safety? Will you remember if it's engaged or not? It would be a bummer if the perp snatched it away from you as you fumbled with it. Also alot of people get hurt thinking an auto is empty after removing the clip only to find one round still chambered...ouch! *Smith & Wesson 38 special featherweight for example. All you gotta do is grab, aim and fire. No extra steps to worry about. SmackWeasel you don't sound all that familiar with firearms and specifically the Glock.
First, a Glock has no external safety to engage or disengage. It also doesn't have a hammer, it uses a striker firing pin. When a round is chambered the striker is half-cocked and the firing pin block is engaged. The trigger is a two part arrangement requiring both parts to be squeezed simultaneously which cocks the striker the rest of the way and releases the firing pin when fully moved to the rear. The firing pin block prevents the firing pin from moving forward unless both parts of the trigger are engaged simultaneously. Glocks are just as safe as a revolver and as easy to pull and fire.
Another point, modern semi-auto's do not use clips, they use magazines. The only semi-auto I can think of off-hand that did use clips was the Broom Handled Mauser.
said by SmackWeasel :Also as anyone who has owned a semi-auto knows; it takes a firm and steady trigger finger to keep the firing mechanism from jamming (Beretta the exception) Where exactly did you get this notion? I've been shooting for more then 30 years and have never heard of anything like this.
Besides all this though, I agree with your suggestion of a .38 Featherlight. Much more concealable and I think a better overall size for someone 5'2" and 100lbs.
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said by Dodge :My original point is this: if she is attacked unexpectedly as most of the time is the case with robbery or rape (by attacked I mean it did not start as an argument), the gun is most likely not going to help her, since the attacker already has a jump on her. The gun will help her against a cocky jack-ass who pulls a knife and demands money, but only if she is prepared to use it and then face the music of the "equal or lesser force" crap (which persoanlly I think is total bull). I'm afraid I have a tough time with folks who attempt to second-guess self-defense scenarios that other people might find themselves in. You don't know under what exact set of circumstances someone might get jumped and whether they would/would not have a chance to pull a weapon.
I think we can agree that pulling a gun on someone is something that should only be done under the direst, most threatening of circumstances. The difference between us is that I don't see any reason why the OP should not have that option.
If you don't want to carry a weapon yourself, that's just fine. But can you please not begrudge other people that option? If this was your wife, I hope you wouldn't try to talk her out of carrying those "10 guns and a bazooka" you referred to if that's what she wanted to carry.
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SmackWeasel
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Here's a search battleop:
»world.guns.ru/handguns/hg00-e.htm
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...the revolvers were more reliable, primarily, because of the simplicity of the design....No jams, no stoppages. Even in the case of the misfire you just got to pull the trigger again - and next round will go. In semi-auto, you need sufficient power to cycle the slide, thus rendering underpowered loads almost inoperable in semi-autos. Also, in case of the misfire, or jam, you should manually cycle the slide to fire the next round. In defensive scenario, this may cost you another second, and may be - your life. So, in general, sixguns are far less sensitive to ammo quality, and, due to simplicity and inherent design features, could withstand far more abuse.
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»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handgun
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Advantages of revolvers
- Reliability: Blockages and malfunctions are virtually impossible in a revolver. A dud round is cleared by a simple pull of the trigger. Several types of blockages and malfunctions are possible (and fairly common) in semi-autos.
- Easier to determine if loaded: cartridges in a loaded revolver are readily apparent. An unloaded semi-auto is often visually identical to a loaded one
-Easier to clean and maintain: Revolvers have few exposed moving pieces and do not require disassembly. There is no risk of loss or breakage of pieces with a revolver. Semi-autos must be disassembled for cleaning, which may be difficult and risks losing or breaking vital pieces in the field or in darkness.
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One of the simi-auto's advantages over revolver actually supports my argument over accidental firings:
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- The nature of most semi-auto's operation makes the trigger pull much easier after the first round is fired, allowing for quick and accurate follow-up shots. Revolvers will always have strong trigger pulls unless the hammer is cocked before each shot, which greatly slows the shooter's rate of fire.
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said by SmackWeasel :You should replace the Glock for a more reliable revolver* Simi-auto's are to be hand held on the ready, or as back-up for a revolver. You've probably never encountered a situation that calls for gun play. Remember once you pull it on someone, it's a do or die situation. Would you be able to retrieve the glock, cock it, aim and fire? What about the safety? Will you remember if it's engaged or not? It would be a bummer if the perp snatched it away from you as you fumbled with it. Also alot of people get hurt thinking an auto is empty after removing the clip only to find one round still chambered...ouch! *Smith & Wesson 38 special featherweight for example. All you gotta do is grab, aim and fire. No extra steps to worry about. #1 You don't "cock" a glock.
#2 Glocks have 3 internal safety mechanisms: 1) the trigger safety, 2) the firing pin safety, and c) the drop safety. Proper training (don't put your finger on the trigger unless your gonna pull it) helps too. |
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Here's my take for what it's worth...
First, I could make a ton of money creating a concealed carry wardrobe for women. There's nothing out there.
You're going to probably have to make a wardrobe change if you plan on carrying. Sometimes us guys have to do it also, but it's easier for us.
The purses have it's pros and cons. The pro being that you get to keep your usual clothes. The con being that the purse is a target for theft to begin with, now they have your gun.
Fanny packs are an option, not a fasionable one, but still an option. A skinny girl like yourself should have no problem concealing a full size Glock with some simple baggy clothing.
Whatever you choose, practice drawing and holstering as much as you possibly can. Smooth is fast.
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SmackWeasel
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- True I've never owned nor fired a Glock. I've owned a browning 9mm and a Smith and Wesson.45, I now own a Baretta 9mm.
- Although I have on occasion had a simi-auto jam on me because of a hesitant and unsteady trigger finger or through rapid firing of the weapon. I've learned to press firmly and count my shots to overcome this. I wonder what someone would do in a emergency situation.
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exocets_girl
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Thanks for all the suggestions and responses! I was not expecting so many!
I know there are a lot of opinions out there, but I've made my decision that I will carry, and what I will carry. I'm definitely not changing my mind about that.
I feel I should let you know (to put your minds at ease) that I'm not an inexperienced shooter, most of my experience being with .40 SA pistols, and I'm not a moron... I've never once forgotten that there was a round in the chamber, I'm always aware of my surroundings (comes with the territory when you have a cop for a husband and you live in New Orleans), and I'm perfectly comfortable and in control of my weapon. My plan is to keep my gun locked and loaded, as I have always done in my car, for fast and easy access in an emergency.
Thanks to everyone who posted links... I've found a few on body options, and am still looking for purses that don't look like they were designed in the 1980's!
Any other suggestions are welcomed!!
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Another point: while I strongly believe that carrying a gun is a good idea for protection, there may be times (as suggested) when there isn't enough reaction time to pull the gun. In such a case being somewhat skilled in self-defense can be a life saver. Pure force is many times very difficult to overcome - so constant training is required if safety is a concern. Also there is a psychological factor involved - a good trainer can teach how to use an attacker's brain against himself. |
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exocets_girl
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| The self-defense class that I'm interested in taking covers a lot of that. It is a class specifically for women who carry. It covers self-defense when you can't use/get to your gun, how to keep control of your gun so your attacker does not wrestle it from you, as well as common sense situational awareness and "street smarts." It's a good class, and even though my husband has gone over (and over and over and over) this stuff with me, I'm looking forward to taking the class with a law enforcement officer I'm NOT married to!
Just don't want anyone to think I'm stepping into this blindly...
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I always carry a Ruger LCP which is light and thin but it fires a weaker round, .380. You should take a look at these.
For when I can hide more fire power or I am open carrying, I carry a full size 1911 in .45.
Revolvers are nice, but they are thick and aren't the easiest thing to conceal for me. There's a lot of semi auto bashing in this thread and almost all of it is flat out wrong.
Being a large male I always carry on my person. I don't know much about off body carry, but I would look for a purse/bag with a hidden velcro compartment with a holster inside. This would allow for quick access while still being secure. You just have the whole issue of making sure the bag is with you and safe.
If you are taking a woman's concealed carry course I would think that they will go over suggestions of female specific methods of carry. They might even have some options on hand to demonstrate.
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I saw this at a show one time.. it's called "Thunderwear", and it is basically outer underwear. There was a woman at this show who had them on under jeans, and she was able to quickly produce the weapon she was carrying (a small, thin semi-auto).
She never did answer to wiether or not she was wearing underwear under her Thunderwear, but she did say you could wear them without underwear. (For those who prefer to "go commando".)
Seriously though, they wrap around your waist, approxamatley where the waistband of your underwear would go, and they have a couple of pockets in them, to carry a weapon or valuables. I think they were going for around $30-40 a pair, and had them for men and women.
About Glocks - I have run into a lot of Glock haters. I own a Glock 22 and 27 (both .40). The 27 I am going to carrying, and the 22 is my home/hotel defense weapon. I picked a Glock for the simple reason that I don't have to worry about a manual saftey. Chamber a round, and it's ready to go. Glocks require premium ammo, so the chances of a "dud" round are reduced, but not eliminated. If you know "tap, rack, bang", you can clear a Type 1 malfunction quickly. (IIRC, Type 1 is a failure to eject, either from a low power round, or a broken extractor.)
If you are interested in pistol training videos, I would recommend Tactical Responses "Fighting Pistol" series. A lot of good information.
BTW - magazine is the proper term, not clip. Not that it matters, if you say either most will know what you are talking about.
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