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44402812
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry
said by Logan 5  :said by 44402812 :Dude if I was criminal the only thing anyone else would see would be the red dot on the back of your head from 50 ft away, lol. Oh, then you'd be be there to commit murder not armed robbery.... in THAT case then if you're in hiding behind a laser sight from a distance then that changes things doesn't it.... I take that back I would rather just rob a bank and avoid the hassle, lol.
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said by dynodb :.25ACP is arguably the worst self defense round available. For an ultra-compact handgun, .380ACP would be a much better choice. Hell, even .22LR would probably be better than .25ACP. said by drjim :As Jeff Cooper said, you can use them for self defense, but if you have to shoot somebody with it, and they find out about it, they're going to be awfully mad! Admittedly, a 380acp (and others) represent a better preference with greater stopping power in the ultra-compact category; however...
Those that do not think a .25auto is "adequate" are placing to much credence in false rumors. I truly suggest that you do not speak from experience  Let me give you some facts...
During 1984, while reaching for my 25 in the closet, I inadvertently dropped it to the floor. After being rushed to the hospital, the x-rays demonstrated that this (measly little 25 caliber) had traveled 19 inches through my body and lodged at my waist.
About a year later, the NRA published a re-call notice from Browning on their defective firing pin. To this very day, I still ask myself why I was to dam dumb to sue.
Very unlucky indeed, but very lucky that the bullet struck no vital organs. Besides the bullet hole, giant and massive deep-purple bruises were evident for 3-4 weeks from my knee to my back waist.
Can you possibly imagine what a direct hit in the chest would do? I can promise you that they won't laugh.
Trust the voice of experience, a .25 "is adequate" and will kill you deader than a hammer
PS: Anyone (seriously hopped up on drugs) who don't stop can quite-efficiently be shot again.
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said by 44402812 :said by drjim :That says more about the sorry state of police officials than individual self-defense. No it shows you that if a police official can act like an @ss and tazer a grandmother. We should let everyone have a gun shoot people who are a "threat". Lets face it criminals pack bigger guns so a scrawny lady with a tiny little gun might as well carry a water piston? My landlord is a cop and does not carry his gun off duty. He leaves his job at work, does not need to make his d#$k grow off duty, lol. Silly liberal, anti-gun zealots, you really don't have a clue. Words are wasted on you. »www.largo.org/armed_women.html
said by dynodb :said by Ray422 :said by SmackWeasel :Edit: BTW, this should be an ADEQUATE carry for a 5-2 female. .25ACP is arguably the worst self defense round available. There's a reason you don't see a lot of the current crop of compact handguns chambered for .25ACP. For an ultra-compact handgun, .380ACP would be a much better choice. Hell, even .22LR would probably be better than .25ACP. I once shot a .25ACP. Even at the standard 10 ft, many rounds didn't even hit the paper. I've heard that a .22 mag may even be better than .32 ACP.
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| Sorry Tim_k that edit wasn't mine it belongs to Ray422 and originally misquoted by dynob. I agree with your assessment on the .25.
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the misquote:
said by SmackWeasel :
Edit: BTW, this should be an ADEQUATE carry for a 5-2 female.
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This is Ray422's original post:
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said by SmackWeasel :
Here's a search battleop:
»world.guns.ru/handguns/hg00-e.htm
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...the revolvers were more reliable, primarily, because of the simplicity of the design....No jams, no stoppages. Even in the case of the misfire you just got to pull the trigger again - and next round will go.
I don't care what that article says, you better be careful believing that crap. Depends upon the type of mis-fire. If the primer fires, it leaves the bullet jammed in the barrel. The next shot blows the gun up...and maybe blinds or kills you.
In a panic-situation, you won't comprehend the meaning of a low-noise primer firing.
Edit: BTW, this should be an ADEQUATE carry for a 5-2 female.
-image of a Browning 25 semi-automatic-
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry
said by Ray422 :
said by SmackWeasel :
Edit: BTW, this should be an ADEQUATE carry for a 5-2 female.
.25ACP is arguably the worst self defense round available. There's a reason you don't see a lot of the current crop of compact handguns chambered for .25ACP.
For an ultra-compact handgun, .380ACP would be a much better choice. Hell, even .22LR would probably be better than .25ACP.
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No doubt that .25 (or any bullet) is lethal, but it is the poorest performer of almost any cased ammunition. 22LR has more energy (but is less reliable due to being rimfire) If a .45 had gone up your leg, your femoral artery would have been destroyed and you wouldn't be here today.
But a .25 you carry is better than a .45 that sits at home.
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| said by lagged :
But a .25 you carry is better than a .45 that sits at home. And really, that's the whole point. | |
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said by Dodge :And just out of curiosity, while we are on the subject of situational awareness, answer me this: You are walking down a street, its late, there is only you and another guy walking towards you. Lets pretend he is around 6 feet tall, jeans, sneakers, coat, nothing fancy. About 10 feet away from you he reaches into his inside coat pocket but continues to walk towards you. Do you pull the gun? Do you take the safety off (depending on what gun you have) and keep your hand near the gun? Well, here we go again with another "hypothetical self-defense situation." 
Can you do me a favor? And I'm very sincere with my request: can you check out a book by a guy called Gavin de Becker entitled The Gift of Fear? If your local library doesn't have it, you can get a copy off Amazon for under $5, and that's with shipping. You can thank me later.
It's a damn good book and the reason I mention it is because it illustrates beautifully how, when someone intends you harm, they invariably give off signals. Signals that a trained person can pick up on. No, you don't need to be a SWAT team member or a ninja in order to be able to pick up on these signals: Joe and Jane Sixpack can become at least somewhat adept at keying in on them.
I understand and appreciate where you're coming from with all these "worst-case scenarios," but please believe me when I tell you that, when someone intends to do you harm, they start sending off signals concerning what they're intending to do. These signals are what security professionals like bodyguards (the real ones, not the cowboys) depend on to keep their clients out of trouble, seeing as how dead clients don't tend to pay very well.
And If you happen to be a country boy who has to make trips into the big city every now and then, these same cues can help serve to keep you out of trouble when you're in close proximity to people you don't know.
And speaking of signals: I hope that you, yourself, are capable of picking up on the entirely unmistakeable signal that the OP has a weapon, fully intends to carry it, and all the "Gosh, what happens if an escaped 500-pound gorilla snatches at away from you, bends it in half, and hands it back to you"-type second-guessing and conjecturing is not going to change that. The decision has already been made and she is merely seeking advice on the best way to implement that decision.
Carrying a gun is an enormous responsibility and the OP has given every indication she is willing to put the time and training into meeting that responsibility. With that being the case, frankly, I'm completely baffled as to what it is you have to gain by trying to second-guess that choice.
ETA: oh, and before I forget, here's the solution to your scenario: if you're "walking down a street, its late, there is only you and another guy walking towards you," you cross the street (and/or put a parked car between you and him). Just because you're walking down a street does not mean that you keep on walking if you think continuing onward is a bad idea.
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| said by Mr Neutron :Carrying a gun is an enormous responsibility and the OP has given every indication she is willing to put the time and training into meeting that responsibility. With that being the case, frankly, I'm completely baffled as to what it is you have to gain by trying to second-guess that choice. I am not arguing that carrying a gun is an enormous responsibility, however I disagree that OP has given every indication that she is ready for it. She or her husband(don't remember shich one exactly) said that she frequents bad places where carrying a gun may be a good idea. You know what normal people do in these situations? That's right, they stop going to those places, plain and simple. What she is doing is pretty much deciding that she will shoot someone at some point, the only question is when.
As far as all of my scenarios, those are pretty basic, and before strapping a gun to yourself, a responsible person would ask themselves would they panic or will they be able to keep their cool and act according to the situation. | |
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1 edit | said by Dodge :She or her husband(don't remember shich one exactly) said that she frequents bad places where carrying a gun may be a good idea. You know what normal people do in these situations? That's right, they stop going to those places, plain and simple. You know, maybe it's not quite as simple as you're making it out to be.
I had a friend who had to carry because his business was located in a bad part of (his) town. Did he deliberately site his business there? He sure didn't: that was the way the neighborhood became after a few years. And, not having the luxury of selling a business located in a bad part of town, (oddly enough, few people want to buy such businesses) he resorted to carrying.
Likewise, the OP may not have a choice here. If her job happens to lie in a bad part of town, it would mean her having to give up that job. And in case you haven't noticed, jobs are a bit thin on the ground just now. So while she herself may not be all that thrilled about having to go into the bad part of town, again, economic necessity might make it, well, a necessity.
If this were an ideal world, all of us could always stay out of the bad parts of town. Unfortunately, some of us might have business to take care of there. Business that could mean the difference between us eating and not eating. And not every store and business (or client we have to meet with) has the good fortune to be located in the nice part of town.
said by Dodge :What she is doing is pretty much deciding that she will shoot someone at some point, the only question is when. Tell me something: if this was your wife, would you wish her to have the option of defending herself at some point? Or would you prefer that she be helpless in the face of danger?
Because, to be frank, it's sure starting to sound like the latter.
If you'll pardon my saying so, it sounds like you've had the good fortune of having lead a very sheltered life. By that I mean: the only language that Bad Guys often speak is the language of force. It's the only thing that they understand and respect.
Which is why, very often, merely displaying a firearm will cause Bad Guys to decide that, yes, something is burning on the stove and/or it's time to go somewhere else. Meaning that you don't always necessarily have to shoot someone for a firearm to protect you.
Should you be willing to do so if it comes down to it? Yes, of course. But only someone embroiled in a bad situation is capable of best determining how to handle it. You and I are not qualified to make that call. If you think you are qualified to tell someone else what they should/should not do when they are in danger, you are entirely mistaken. There really isn't any nice way to put it: it's not you out there, it's them. If it's you, you can do whatever you think it's best. Otherwise, other folks have to decide for themselves.
A firearm has an effect on Bad Guys that something like pepper spray is simply not going to have. And, unfortunately, having a Bad Guy looking into the wrong end of your weapon is, sometimes, the only way to get them to leave you alone.
And if you love someone, you want them to be left alone. Which means you would want them to have the option of defending themselves.
said by Dodge :As far as all of my scenarios, those are pretty basic, and before strapping a gun to yourself, a responsible person would ask themselves would they panic or will they be able to keep their cool and act according to the situation. Boss, no one knows exactly what they are going to do in a time of danger until that danger actually happens. But that's why the OP has made it clear that she A) has a weapon and B) is earnestly seeking out the training needed to allow her to use that weapon effectively should she have the need to do so.
I think it's great that you're so concerned with her safety and well being, but I'm having a hard time believing you can't take in the fact that her safety and well-being are of some concern to her, too. And that she is making the choices she feels are best to maintain that safety.
Choices that she, and only she, is capable of making. I'm hoping that you can see that and would want her to be able to exercise that responsibility you mention. Because part of being a responsible adult is to give other people the benefit of the doubt and allow them an opportunity to be responsible adults, too.
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My husband never said I frequent the "bad parts" of town... he said I frequent "tourist areas" of town.
The difference between the "bad parts" of town and the "tourist areas" of town is that in the tourist areas (in New Orleans, anyway), crimes tend to be more theft/robbery related, whereas in the bad parts of town, I'd be fine because I'm not selling/buying drugs, and most violent crimes taking place in those areas are drug and gang related.
by misquoting my husband's post and saying I frequent the "bad parts" of town makes it appear as though I lack the common sense to avoid dangerous situations... which, btw, I don't.
As far as frequenting the tourist areas of town, I live/work/play in those areas. There's not a lot I can do to avoid working, buying groceries, and filling my car with gas. Just because I live in New Orleans doesn't mean I should live in a bubble, or live in fear.
Let me also dispell the myth that I'm not ready for the responsibility of carrying a gun. I'm not new to guns, by any means. I have carried in my car for quite some time (my husband's off-duty gun-- because as I said in my op, I just got my own gun), and I've already dealt with the ethical and moral questions that owning/carrying a gun for self-defense presents. Thanks for the concern, but my main question here is about specific means of concealed carry, rather than other methods of self-defense.
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said by exocets_girl :Thanks for the concern, but my main question here is about specific means of concealed carry, rather than other methods of self-defense. Which is why I never post questions here anymore hardly. Everyone here is either an X-Navy SEAL or a NINJA!!  You cant just ask a question about something SPECIFIC. You have to be preached to by the so-called experts here lol...
Anymore, I find myself sending pm's to people on the site that can give you a specific answer related to whatever it is im asking about. I tend to seek them out by their specialty. Some reply and some dont, but thats expected! Damn, did I just contradict myself and go off topic?  | |
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Re: Women's Concealed Carry
So, have you decided on a carry solution yet? I carry my Glock 23 in an inside-wasitband holster between 3:00 and 4:00, and it's worked great for me thus far. I would highly recommend »www.littlebearholsters.com - he has quite a few holster styles available, and makes each holster to your specifications. Very reasonable wait time and pricing as well when compared to some of the bigger custom holster places.
Granted, I'm a 6'1" guy, so IWB may not be best for you. It's worth a try though, that's for sure.
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said by Dodge :That's right, they stop going to those places, plain and simple. Best post ever. Have you ever been to New Orleans?? | |
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said by exocets_girl :Here is my situation: I'm young and small-- 5'2" and 100 lbs. Between my petite frame and the fact that I do like to be relatively fashionable, my clothes are not entirely forgiving when it comes to concealing a weapon. Let me get this straight....You want to wonder where to hide the gun, but look as slinky and attracting trouble as possible?
And I am far from saying all women should wear veils and robes.... but you are wondering how to be most attractive alone (assumedly) the trouble you don't want, and just wondering where to hide a gun?
Something wrong there and will certainly be looking for you to turn up on Nancy Grace or the like, when you shoot someone approaching you for directions in the dark...
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| said by Hayward :And I am far from saying all women should wear veils and robes.... but you are wondering how to be most attractive alone (assumedly) the trouble you don't want, and just wondering where to hide a gun? Huh? This makes no sense whatsoever. Please try again.
said by Hayward :Something wrong there and will certainly be looking for you to turn up on Nancy Grace or the like, when you shoot someone approaching you for directions in the dark... Probably not. 27422 licenses have been issued by Louisiana since the concealed carry program was introduced -- 259 of the licenses have been revoked. That comes out to less than 1%. Clearly, Louisiana residents who are licensed to carry concealed weapons don't "shoot someone approaching [them] for directions in the dark".
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1 edit | Yeah but little woman, big scary guy has NEVER happened? Yeah it has.
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clubs: | Okay. Please link us to a recent news story in which a woman who is licensed to carry a concealed handgun opened fire on a "big scary guy". | |
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1 edit | It has to be recent???? NEVER has happenened?????
And yes guns do NOT kill people PEOPLE do.... but often the intrument none the less... and now they are going to be legal in BARS (how dangerous is that)..... now there is a fatality just waiting to happen.... even in the wild west you had to check the gun at the door many places.
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