Bogtrotter
@server4you.de
| voip.ms and sipbroker
I just noticed something interesting. If you check for voip.ms in the list of sipbroker providers, they show *8570 as the access code.
I connected to a local sipbroker gateway and entered *8570 plus my virutal DID number.
Let's say it was: *8570 11234567123
Surprisingly, it connected. My virtual DID uses the Toronto server, but I assume sipbroker has jiggered things up so that it will work with any server.
Perhaps someone using a different server could try it and let us know. |
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sream
Premium
join:2002-08-17
Portage, MI | NY works. sip uris are routed just like any did so it should work. |
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PX Eliezer
Premium
join:2008-08-09
New Jersey
 ·voip.ms
·callwithus
·Callcentric
·Optimum Voice
1 edit | reply to Bogtrotter
See this thread:
»sip broker pstn number to voip.ms sub-account number. how?
And even if SipBroker works for incoming Voip.MS, it will not work for outgoing.
By contrast, CallCentric works great with SipBroker both in and out. |
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DogFace05
join:2005-12-09
Cary, NC
| said by PX Eliezer  :And even if SipBroker works for incoming Voip.MS, it will not work for outgoing. By contrast, CallCentric works great with SipBroker both in and out. If you have a PAP2/SPA type adapter, and you have control over the dial plan, there is no reason whatsoever why you couldn't use SipBroker for outgoing, regardless of provider (including voip.ms). |
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Bogtrotter
@privacyfoundation.de
| reply to PX Eliezer
I don't know what calling out via sip broker is, so I am confused; but maybe some of the other confusion is due to voip.ms's requirement that its sip url must use a virtual DID.
For example, if your userid at voip.ms is 123456, you cannot make a sip url of 123456@sip.us4.voip.ms and expect it to work when called from ipkall or anything else.
What you have to do is create a virtual DID such as 11 123456 789 and make a sip url of 11123456789@sip.us4.voip.ms.
I am not sure what is gained with this, aside from it giving you an infinite number of incoming DIDs, each of which can be routed with precision to the intended recipient. |
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PX Eliezer
Premium
join:2008-08-09
New Jersey
·voip.ms
·callwithus
·Callcentric
·Optimum Voice
1 edit | reply to DogFace05
said by DogFace05 :If you have a PAP2/SPA type adapter, and you have control over the dial plan, there is no reason whatsoever why you couldn't use SipBroker for outgoing, regardless of provider (including voip.ms). Yes, of course, but you are one of the smartest guys around, and an industry professional.
Isn't the point to make it easier for the average joes and janes?
With CallCentric, people can access SipBroker just by dialing **275* and they don't even require a paid CC account.
»www.callcentric.com/faq/4/150
»www.callcentric.com/faq/4/130
(And even though I am not a fan of the Gizmo5 service, people on that service can make SipBroker calls just by dialing *).
CallCentric, and Gizmo5, have made SipBroker access EASY and they deserve credit for that, as does any other provider who does that.
Most folks don't like to have to tinker with dial plans. Besides, if it's so easy, let the provider do it (as CC and Gizmo5 have done) rather than the customer. |
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sream
Premium
join:2002-08-17
Portage, MI
·link2voip
·voip.ms
| reply to Bogtrotter
said by Bogtrotter :
I am not sure what is gained with this, aside from it giving you an infinite number of incoming DIDs, each of which can be routed with precision to the intended recipient.
Actually I think that is precisely why. You have to understand that not everyone is running an ata with a 'cloned' line, whatever that is. For me the combination of pbxes paired with voip.ms infinite configuration options is a godsend. Allowing me to run a simple pbx (3cx) on a desktop rather than a separate * box.
VOip.ms never advertised a 'free calling network' like callcentric has. They are different companies with different options.
Now up until a few months ago I was routing a lot of incoming traffic through several callcentric accounts and I've never personally spent a dime with them.
Sorry for rambling but I'm exhausted. |
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DogFace05
join:2005-12-09
Cary, NC
| reply to PX Eliezer
Dial plans aren't rocket science. That said, the following rule added to anyone's favorite dial plan, will allow calling out via SipBroker routing by just dialing the prefix #1 followed by any sipbroker accepted number.
<#1,:>[x*][x*].<:@sipbroker.com>
Feel free to replace "#1" with any desired prefix. The (optional) comma, following the prefix, causes a second dial tone to be played back upon dialing the prefix. |
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PX Eliezer
Premium
join:2008-08-09
New Jersey
·voip.ms
·callwithus
·Callcentric
·Optimum Voice
2 edits | said by DogFace05 :Dial plans aren't rocket science. That said, the following rule added to anyone's favorite dial plan, will allow calling out via SipBroker routing..... Thanks, much appreciated.
Unfortunately, did not work on Voip.MS.
I used the exact sequence you wrote, and I even put it at the beginning of my PAP2T-NA dial plan. Also switched "IP dialing" to Yes.
But just ended up with "fast busy signals".
This might be characteristic of Voip.MS. Keep in mind, on the Voip.MS dashboard, you have to choose between NANPA dialing and E164 dialing.
I just do not believe that Voip.MS supports IP dialing from an ATA, such as your dial plan would entail.
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If I am wrong, I would be glad to hear it.
But I circle back to saying:
CallCentric clearly surpasses Voip.MS in this area, because with CallCentric, it just works. |
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neftv
join:2000-10-01
Broomall, PA
·QuantumVoice
·Broadvox Direct
| I have a free account on Callcentric and found it so easy to get information on how to make SIP call via SIP Broker.
Seems like the more and more I read different topics here referencing Callcentric the more I see favorable things about Callcentric. Seems like they are a more mature company reading things about them. Future Nine would be my second choice. Both in the one and two position also because they are based in the states. Probably by Wednesday I going to flip a coin. |
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garys_2k
join:2004-05-07
Farmington, MI
·Future Nine Corpor..
·Vonage
| F9 also allows easy SIP Broker callouts. You dial 06*xxxxyyyyyyyyyy and your call should go straight through. »[Future9] SIP Broker pass-through.
As for CC and F9, CC definitely has the edge regarding maturity, but I went with F9 because I think it's a better value and I like what I've heard and seen from Nitzan. His service is very solid, as is CCs. I do have a CC backup account that I intend to keep, too. |
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DogFace05
join:2005-12-09
Cary, NC
| reply to PX Eliezer
said by PX Eliezer :Thanks, much appreciated. Unfortunately, did not work on Voip.MS. I used the exact sequence you wrote, and I even put it at the beginning of my PAP2T-NA dial plan. Also switched "IP dialing" to Yes. But just ended up with "fast busy signals". This might be characteristic of Voip.MS. Keep in mind, on the Voip.MS dashboard, you have to choose between NANPA dialing and E164 dialing. I just do not believe that Voip.MS supports IP dialing from an ATA, such as your dial plan would entail. Voip.ms have absolutely nothing to do with it. This dial plan rule completely bypasses voip.ms, or any other provider you may happen to be registered to, and goes straight to sipbroker. It's more likely that you didn't enter it correctly--perhaps you forgot to separate it with a vertical bar from the rest of your dial plan entries. Although I've never had a PAP2T in my hands to test the rule on, I use it on a regular basis (exactly as stated) with PAP2, RT31P2 and SPA2102 adapters. The PAP2T is based on the same software base, so I see little reason why it would not work there, barring some unlikely bug that would only have crept into that model. And again, it makes not one shred of difference what provider you're with, nor what dialing capabilities they support, as the rule completely bypasses them. |
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emoci
join:2007-05-29
York, ON
| reply to PX Eliezer
said by PX Eliezer :said by DogFace05 :Dial plans aren't rocket science. That said, the following rule added to anyone's favorite dial plan, will allow calling out via SipBroker routing..... Thanks, much appreciated. Unfortunately, did not work on Voip.MS. I used the exact sequence you wrote, and I even put it at the beginning of my PAP2T-NA dial plan. Also switched "IP dialing" to Yes. But just ended up with "fast busy signals". Give this a try:
You'll need to dial as #-*SipCode-Number-# (the # at the end may make the difference between working and busy ...) |
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Glurg
@teksavvy.com
| I added the string suggested by emoci to my dial plan.
Here are a few things I entered that worked.
Using my voxalot number, 123456
#*010123456#
#*010123456
Using my sipbroker number, 1234
#*0111234#
#*0111234
Using my callcentric number, 17771234567
#*46217771234567
#*46217771234567#
To do the tests above, I called from a phone registered to voip.ms, but as was pointed out by dogface05, that has nothing to do with whether or not it will work.
Then, to test how voip.ms works with sipbroker, I added a sip url to my voip.ms 'sip url' section. The url that I added was *011xxxx@sipbroker.com, where 'xxxx' is a number registered with sipbroker (siprbroker points it to my voxalot account).
Then I set up an extension, 54321, so that when I dialed my voip.ms DID, and entered 54321 at the prompt, the call was routed to the sip url *011xxxx@sipbroker.com, and that worked, ringing my phone, which is registered to voxalot.
Of course I could have set it up simply to immediately ring my voxalot account when the voip.ms DID was dialed.
And, as was mentioned before, you can call a sipbroker gateway and enter *8570 plus a voip.ms virtual DID, and that will connect to your voip.ms account.
So I don't see any incompatibility between voip.ms and sipbroker. |
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Glurg
| I overlooked something in the scenario above: this is where you pick up the phone that is registered to voip.ms - how do you then dial out?
What you do is pick up the phone and dial the DID for that phone, and voip.ms will treat it the same way as it would for a call from any phone. If you have an ivr set up, you will get the menu and can enter the approprate 'quickdial' code to dial out.
Granted, it is a bit klunky compared to callcentric, where you just pick up the phone and dial *7501 or some other quickdial code, but it is easy to program a speed dial phone number, including the pauses, to get you where you want to go. |
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PX Eliezer
Premium
join:2008-08-09
New Jersey
·voip.ms
·callwithus
·Callcentric
·Optimum Voice
| reply to DogFace05
said by DogFace05 :It's more likely that you didn't enter it correctly--perhaps you forgot to separate it with a vertical bar from the rest of your dial plan entries. No, that is not the case at all. |
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PX Eliezer
Premium
join:2008-08-09
New Jersey | reply to emoci
I will try that, thanks! |
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PX Eliezer
Premium
join:2008-08-09
New Jersey
·voip.ms
·callwithus
·Callcentric
·Optimum Voice
| reply to Glurg
said by Glurg :
Here are a few things I entered that worked.
Thank you for the extensive tests. May I ask, what kind of ATA or other device did you use? Was it a PAP2T-NA, other Linksys device, or something else? |
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Glurg
@teksavvy.com | You're welcome. I used a pap2t-na. |
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PX Eliezer
Premium
join:2008-08-09
New Jersey | reply to emoci
Thank you, that dial plan works well.
It does seem that the # key has to be dialed at the end. |
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