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Re: I'm biased
said by Matt  :I'm biased toward this all being hilarious. How big is Sweden again? May be hard to find a judge anywhere that doesn't have a natural bias against music & movie thieves. Sort of goes with the job description.
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| said by TKJunkMail :said by Matt :I'm biased toward this all being hilarious. How big is Sweden again? May be hard to find a judge anywhere that doesn't have a natural bias against music & movie thieves. Sort of goes with the job description. I was referring more toward the fact that so far, three judges have all been a part of this same copyright group. This sounds like a trial in the backwoods of Mississippi, not Sweden. |
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said by TKJunkMail :said by Matt :I'm biased toward this all being hilarious. How big is Sweden again? May be hard to find a judge anywhere that doesn't have a natural bias against music & movie thieves. Sort of goes with the job description. It's not that they have natural bias, it's that they are members of copyright interest groups. WHich is a huge conflict of interest.
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said by TKJunkMail :said by Matt :I'm biased toward this all being hilarious. How big is Sweden again? May be hard to find a judge anywhere that doesn't have a natural bias against music & movie thieves. Sort of goes with the job description. That's true, maybe against music and movie thieves, none which really applies to the Pirate Bay anymore than it applies to Google or MSN. When the Pirate Bay starts offering up the actual files that are the music/movie in question, then yeah, they will be roasted. Otherwise, you might as well make the same argument about Google, Yahoo, MSN, Ask, and any other search engine that has an index of torrent files like the Pirate Bay.
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said by TKJunkMail :May be hard to find a judge anywhere that doesn't have a natural bias against music & movie thieves. Which the guys who run Pirate Bay AREN'T.
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said by knightmb :said by TKJunkMail :said by Matt :I'm biased toward this all being hilarious. How big is Sweden again? May be hard to find a judge anywhere that doesn't have a natural bias against music & movie thieves. Sort of goes with the job description. That's true, maybe against music and movie thieves, none which really applies to the Pirate Bay anymore than it applies to Google or MSN. When the Pirate Bay starts offering up the actual files that are the music/movie in question, then yeah, they will be roasted. Otherwise, you might as well make the same argument about Google, Yahoo, MSN, Ask, and any other search engine that has an index of torrent files like the Pirate Bay. And when any other sites like Google, Yahoo, MSN, and Ask host the .torrent files and offer bittorrent tracking services, your point might be valid. |
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1 edit | said by Matt :And when any other sites like Google, Yahoo, MSN, and Ask host the .torrent files and offer bittorrent tracking services, your point might be valid. They do in the cache, a torrent file is nothing more than text with trackers and the hash, so yeah, in a technical sense, they do host it. Point is still valid.
I figured I would throw this out,
Here is the data clip within the "Underworld Rise of the Lycans" torrent currently on the Pirate Bay, then followed by the Google cache (open it with a hex editor or something).
Yup, Google has the same thing, so technically, they are both Pirates?
Here is what google has in their cache:
»74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:N_-···nk&gl=us
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| said by knightmb :said by Matt :And when any other sites like Google, Yahoo, MSN, and Ask host the .torrent files and offer bittorrent tracking services, your point might be valid. They do in the cache, a torrent file is nothing more than text with trackers and the hash, so yeah, in a technical sense, they do host it. Point is still valid. I figured I would throw this out, Here is the data clip within the "Underworld Rise of the Lycans" torrent currently on the Pirate Bay, then followed by the Google cache (open it with a hex editor or something). Yup, Google has the same thing, so technically, they are both Pirates? Here is what google has in their cache: » 74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:N_-···nk&gl=us You do realize that link points to the Pirate Bay right? Google didn't actually cache the .torrent file ...
Anyway, let's say they did but the Pirate Bay's tracker didn't exist ... can you still download that file? Nope, the .torrent is then worthless. |
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| said by Matt :Anyway, let's say they did but the Pirate Bay's tracker didn't exist ... can you still download that file? Nope, the .torrent is then worthless. Sure you can, that's what the distributed database is for. |
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said by Matt :said by knightmb :said by Matt :And when any other sites like Google, Yahoo, MSN, and Ask host the .torrent files and offer bittorrent tracking services, your point might be valid. They do in the cache, a torrent file is nothing more than text with trackers and the hash, so yeah, in a technical sense, they do host it. Point is still valid. I figured I would throw this out, Here is the data clip within the "Underworld Rise of the Lycans" torrent currently on the Pirate Bay, then followed by the Google cache (open it with a hex editor or something). Yup, Google has the same thing, so technically, they are both Pirates? Here is what google has in their cache: » 74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:N_-···nk&gl=us You do realize that link points to the Pirate Bay right? Google didn't actually cache the .torrent file ... Anyway, let's say they did but the Pirate Bay's tracker didn't exist ... can you still download that file? Nope, the .torrent is then worthless. Here is some midnight reading for yeah- »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_(protocol)
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Alternatively, in a trackerless system (decentralized tracking) every peer acts as a tracker.
So that means, in theory, anyone on the free internet could easily start what the Pirate Bay did - however it probably wont be as fast or efficient. Therefore, your logic is flawed regarding that you need a single centralized tracker. |
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said by Xioden :said by Matt :Anyway, let's say they did but the Pirate Bay's tracker didn't exist ... can you still download that file? Nope, the .torrent is then worthless. Sure you can, that's what the distributed database is for. Which TPB torrents disable. So again, the torrent is worthless. |
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said by k1ll3rdr4g0n :Here is some midnight reading for yeah- » en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_(protocol)So that means, in theory, anyone on the free internet could easily start what the Pirate Bay did - however it probably wont be as fast or efficient. Therefore, your logic is flawed regarding that you need a single centralized tracker. I know all about DHT. But did you know the TPB torrents disable it so their torrent files absolutely cannot work without the TPB tracker? |
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said by k1ll3rdr4g0n :Here is some midnight reading for yeah- » en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_(protocol)So that means, in theory, anyone on the free internet could easily start what the Pirate Bay did - however it probably wont be as fast or efficient. Therefore, your logic is flawed regarding that you need a single centralized tracker. The function of a Centralized Tracker in a DHT system is to provide a list of the peers who currently are trading the file. Once you have this information, you can contact them to get updates on who is currently peering. Without that Centralize Tracker to prime the cache of peers, you must rely on the list in the torrent file you started with and depending on its age the listed IPNs may be stale and no longer seeding. Getting the torrent file from the tracker insures it is up-to-date and the provided IPNs are there to talk to you. |
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Plus if the Piratebay tracker didn't exist in the first place that file wouldn't have been in DHT in the first place.
Comparing Google and Piratebay is a weak argument as one has the obvious purpose of indexing torrent files and providing a tracker to pirate while one caches the whole internet basically and just has some pointers to torrent files.
FYI: I use Piratebay and Usenet actively. |
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said by Matt :said by Xioden :said by Matt :Anyway, let's say they did but the Pirate Bay's tracker didn't exist ... can you still download that file? Nope, the .torrent is then worthless. Sure you can, that's what the distributed database is for. Which TPB torrents disable. So again, the torrent is worthless. It's not a private tracker, and as far as I know it doesn't send the private tag back (And even if it does, the user can force it to be enabled anyway). |
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said by sapo :Comparing Google and Piratebay is a weak argument as one has the obvious purpose of indexing torrent files and providing a tracker to pirate while one caches the whole internet basically and just has some pointers to torrent files. But, you have to remember that TPB wasn't found guilty of distributing copyrighted material, but rather assisting in it. |
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| said by Xioden :said by sapo :Comparing Google and Piratebay is a weak argument as one has the obvious purpose of indexing torrent files and providing a tracker to pirate while one caches the whole internet basically and just has some pointers to torrent files. But, you have to remember that TPB wasn't found guilty of distributing copyrighted material, but rather assisting in it. Would you blame the yellow pages for assisting in drug distribution for indexing every residential number which happened to include drug dealers. I would whoever blame some guy who organizes drug dealers together and directs you to the appropriate one you want.
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| said by sapo :said by Xioden :But, you have to remember that TPB wasn't found guilty of distributing copyrighted material, but rather assisting in it. Would you blame the yellow pages for assisting in drug distribution for indexing every residential number which happened to include drug dealers. I would whoever blame some guy who organizes drug dealers together and directs you to the appropriate one you want. Which google does. Google "[Some Movie] Torrent" you find tons of links to said torrent from across a multitude of sites. And if google is infact caching the torrent files themselves, then they're doing the exact same thing as TPB, they're just going a step further and doing it for all the sites they've crawled. |
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| It is not the same thing, try downloading a .torrent file from google.com site with a google.com tracker backing it. Without that it isn't the same, you can't just cherrypick which requirements you want it to meet so it can fit your argument.
Thepiratebay tracker connects people together specifically for trading a specific pirated file, google just indexes everything on the internet as usual.
When you visit thepiratebay the only thing you can do is find mostly pirated content and its nicely organized for you on purpose. When you visit google you can search for anything you want. Completely different intent and purpose.
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