Anonymous_
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127.0.0.1
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| metered billing means
metered billing means
Public Utilities Commission regulation
heavy government regulation
heavy taxed (per gigabyte) ( two charges like with the power co)
Guaranteed uptime (i get that with the natural GAS /Power/water Co)(THAT MEANS A Fully WORKING DNS SERVER TOO)
NO UPTO on the speed
i do not get UPTO ON natural GAS do i ? |
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baineschile
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1 edit | Way off Karl. A 40 Gig cap does not affect ALL households; as most internet users still are way under that threshold.
Until Broadband becomes a utility, we have to deal with a competitive, capitalistic market; which means that if a company want to do caps and overages, thats what we will have to deal with (or go to a different company)
Also, your claim that it was to deter internet video; if that was the case, why would FiOs even bother having TV service if broadband and IPTV is the future? I will give you that no company has supported data that shows they SHOULD have caps; but that doesnt mean the sole reason is to deter competition. |
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Luminaris
join:2005-12-01
Winchester, VA
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| Well, I think what Karl means is, given a household has a 40 Gig cap per say, that cap is still there. Most households, (at least in my area) have smaller kids that will eventually use their internet which means, more of it used. Plus with the amount of video, ads etc. on each page, people don't realize just how much they actually download.
So in essence, yes, it does effect most or all households in a way. |
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neowulf
join:2000-10-20
Port Orange, FL
| reply to Anonymous_
I also no longer want to pay for banner ads, or any ads for that matter as I would then now be paying for those ads...
Metered billing would turn the internet into a very boring place, think of all the flash sites, or graphics or innovating that would be killed by having to watch how much bandwidth you consume. Heck I am wasting bandwidth right now by being here!
They are trying to tout this as saving the internet, or they talk about it how grandma is subsidizing the heavy users, and that grandma shouldn't have to pay because you watch hulu.
Yet in the end even TWC plan was to charge grandma what she was paying if she just checked her email, but if she downloaded that video of her grand kids she better be ready to pay more then what she was before she was saved by TWC from those heavy users.
So in the end grandma is going to be paying more then she is now, so who exactly are they helping out here? Don't answer that I already know. |
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me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO
·VOIPo
| said by neowulf  :I also no longer want to pay for banner ads, or any ads for that matter as I would then now be paying for those ads... Metered billing would turn the internet into a very boring place, think of all the flash sites, or graphics or innovating that would be killed by having to watch how much bandwidth you consume. Heck I am wasting bandwidth right now by being here! They are trying to tout this as saving the internet, or they talk about it how grandma is subsidizing the heavy users, and that grandma shouldn't have to pay because you watch hulu. Yet in the end even TWC plan was to charge grandma what she was paying if she just checked her email, but if she downloaded that video of her grand kids she better be ready to pay more then what she was before she was saved by TWC from those heavy users. So in the end grandma is going to be paying more then she is now, so who exactly are they helping out here? Don't answer that I already know. That is one reason I dislike this metered crap so much. If they want metered may it a real PAYG. |
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Matt
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said by baineschile :Way off Karl. A 40 Gig cap does not affect ALL households; as most internet users still are way under that threshold. Time Warner's caps were as low as 5GB with a $1 per GB in overage charges. They were taking their unlimited tiers and capping them at 5GB, 10GB, 20GB and 40GB. 40GB (until the backlash) was the highest tier they offered - for a whopping $60 a month.
After the backlash they offered to cap overage charges, which means if you pay $150 a month you can have the same product you have right now for $45 or so. They then offered a 1GB tier with a $2 per GB overage. Nice. |
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fireflier
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1 edit | reply to baineschile
said by baineschile :Way off Karl. A 40 Gig cap does not affect ALL households; as most internet users still are way under that threshold. 1. Most internet users are still below 40GB huh? Your statistics to support this can be found where? I'm not a a constant video downloader/gamer/traffic user but my router shows I'm hitting 40+/month. If your definition of "most" internet users are grandmothers who check email, then your claim could be correct but the definition is not. Remember, part of that 40GB consists of various OS patches (along with patches for endless numbers of software packages), Game system updates, etc. And if a person has multiple PCs with similar configuration then it's a x2, x3, x4 scenario. Many households do have more than one PC now.
2. 40GB was TWCs HIGHEST tier at one point in their "suggested" new pricing structure unless you wanted the uber supermondoall-you-can-eat tier for a ridiculous $100 or so a month. 5GB per month for the lower tiers WILL affect MANY households which will force them to higher tiers. It will also become a bigger problem to people as additional bandwidth-using apps appear. I didn't see anything from TWCs spin doctors claiming they'd promise to raise those caps as needs required.
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Anonymous_
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·RoadRunner Cable
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2 edits | said by fireflier :said by baineschile :Way off Karl. A 40 Gig cap does not affect ALL households; as most internet users still are way under that threshold. 1. Most internet users are still below 40GB huh? Your statistics to support this can be found where? I'm not a a constant video downloader/gamer/traffic user but my router shows I'm hitting 40+/month. If your definition of "most" internet users are grandmothers who check email, then your claim could be correct but the definition is not. Remember, part of that 40GB consists of various OS patches (along with patches for endless numbers of software packages), Game system updates, etc. And if a person has multiple PCs with similar configuration then it's a x2, x3, x4 scenario. Many households do have more than one PC now. 2. 40GB was TWCs HIGHEST tier at one point in their "suggested" new pricing structure unless you wanted the uber supermondoall-you-can-eat tier for a ridiculous $100 or so a month. 5GB per month for the lower tiers WILL affect MANY households which will force them to higher tiers. It will also become a bigger problem to people as additional bandwidth-using apps appear. I didn't see anything from TWCs spin doctors claiming they'd promise to raise those caps as needs required. heh but if you got more then one person using it you can use upto 400GB permonth
cable modem Noise Traffic is 5GB to 6GB all ready |
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hottboiinnc
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join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| reply to Anonymous_
Many water companies and power companies are not regulated as they're a co-op within cities. The States do not regulate them for the most part. And they can do what they want.
If you didn't know that go find the story where the person was killed in their home this last winter from a Muni-owned power company. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | reply to neowulf
If you don't want banner ads you will create a 2tier internet or you will start paying for each website you go to.
The ISPs do not put the banners in, the website owners do. |
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DaveNJ
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join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
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| reply to baineschile
said by baineschile :Until Broadband becomes a utility, we have to deal with a competitive, capitalistic market; which means that if a company want to do caps and overages, thats what we will have to deal with (or go to a different company) So your against higher speeds, and corporate competition for customers, in favor of a government run, non -competitive, market ?
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Metatron2008
join:2008-09-02
Stockbridge, GA | reply to baineschile
I'd love to see actual graphs on how much people use. I'm willing to bet the majority of users are 3 times higher then 40 gig. |
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axiomatic
join:2006-08-23
Tomball, TX
| reply to hottboiinnc
I still disagree. Let the "websight owners" fight these caps to get their advertisements back then. Regardless its not the END USERS responsibility, period. We don;t want the ad's therefore we are DEFINITELY not paying for them to be transmitted to our houses over our capped lines. |
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TKJunkMail
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Avalon, NJ
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| reply to neowulf
said by neowulf :I also no longer want to pay for banner ads, or any ads for that matter as I would then now be paying for those ads... Ad Block Plus for Firefox or IE7pro for IE. |
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morbo
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| reply to baineschile
said by baineschile :Way off Karl. A 40 Gig cap does not affect ALL households; as most internet users still are way under that threshold. Clearly this is a troll post. |
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neowulf
join:2000-10-20
Port Orange, FL
| reply to TKJunkMail
Already use, and there are ads that still get through. But that is besides the point, once you meter something it should be the responsibility of the company that meters to make sure garbage no longer gets through.
TWC wants all the gravy of what metered billing brings, but wants no added responsibility. |
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TKJunkMail
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| reply to morbo
said by morbo :said by baineschile :Way off Karl. A 40 Gig cap does not affect ALL households; as most internet users still are way under that threshold. Clearly this is a troll post. Why. He tells the truth. Just not a truth you want to hear or let be heard. |
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espaeth
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Minneapolis, MN
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| reply to Anonymous_
said by Anonymous_ :cable modem Noise Traffic is 5GB to 6GB all ready The noise traffic is broadcast traffic, and shouldn't be counted against the unicast byte counters per associated MAC on the CMTS. I've had some "drive time" on the Cisco uBR CMTS in the lab, and that traffic is definitely excluded from the reported individual modem/MAC byte totals on that platform. |
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TKJunkMail
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2 edits | said by espaeth :said by Anonymous_ :cable modem Noise Traffic is 5GB to 6GB all ready The noise traffic is broadcast traffic, and shouldn't be counted against the unicast byte counters per associated MAC on the CMTS. I've had some "drive time" on the Cisco uBR CMTS in the lab, and that traffic is definitely excluded from the reported individual modem/MAC byte totals on that platform. And if it was counted, the background noise runs about 10 kbps based on my router WAN statistics. That comes to about 3.24 GB/month »www23.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=···000+bits & not 5 or 6 as claimed.
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axiomatic
join:2006-08-23
Tomball, TX
| reply to neowulf
I agree with neowulf, no one said we could not block the ad's. It's that in such a tightly metered bill if we the customer don't want the ad's period, they should no longer be transmitted to us because we can not control the size, cost, or ad cycle frequency of the advertisement banner. |
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