TK Junk Mail
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4 edits | Llobbying is so bad
Lobbying is just bad. It is NOT part of our great democratic system. Heck, I'd even wager it's bad for our economy. |
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Matt
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| Re: Is lobbying so bad?
said by TK Junk Mail  :Is lobbying so bad? It is part of our great democratic system. Heck, I'd even wager it's good for simulating our economy. Tk, seriously? A corporation spending billions of dollars a year in nefarious ways and hiding it so it can't be tied back to the benefiting corporation, creating and funding astroturf organizations to outright lie to our government for the benefit of corporations.
Yes, in its current incarnation it is awful.
We need lobby reform, now. All one has to do is look at the control corporations have gained while allowing us to fall behind the rest of the world in every measurable statistic ... except consumer debt, to see it doesn't work. |
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neowulf
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As Ben Scott said in the story "If Comcast decided to get in front of the 435 members of the House, they could do that in a week. I don't think I could do it in a year."
When lobbying is no longer democratic and is based purely on corruption and greed, used by big corporations as a way to squash both consumers and the little start-ups. So yes lobbying in how it is used is bad.
If anything lobbying is De-stimulus as it takes away from innovation and competition. Most of what these big Telecoms lobby is for protection from new laws that benefit consumer rights, new regulations that would effect their bottom line negatively, and protection form competition such as local city network projects. |
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Matt
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|  said by neowulf :As Ben Scott said in the story "If Comcast decided to get in front of the 435 members of the House, they could do that in a week. I don't think I could do it in a year." Very, very, good point. |
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Yes it's bad. It's bribery and precludes legislators from representing their individual constituents.
The only people who should be permitted to contribute to campaigns are individual registered voters who are legal residents of the districts those politicians represent. Bribes Contributions from corporations, consumer groups, unions, those living in other areas all should be banned. Their membership are free donate as individuals, but these lobby groups who don't vote should have no influence over our political process. California is a prime example of how these groups, particularly the public employee unions, have taken over government. Yesterday's special election is the only time I can remember them being defeated at the polls and it only happened after the state has been destroyed by their greed. Usually the propositions these groups get on the ballot and spend tens of millions to advertise on TV (usually with lies and distortion) pass with flying colors much to their financial benefit. And these measures are one of the reasons we are over $20B in the hole despite record treasury revenues.
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said by Matt :Tk, seriously? sorry to burst your bubble, matt, but this isn't the real tk that we have all come to know and despise. it seems that when the former tk changed his name to TKJunkMail , this troll swooped in and stole his name, seemingly to do just as he has done here.
it seems as though we have replaced someone with shillish beliefs and replaced him with someone who shills for shillings sake.
as much as i cringed when reading some of TKJunkMail 's responses, i always appreciated the fact that he had *much* more couth and was often, a little more subtle about his shillish ways. this poser is just way too on the nose. kinda depresses me actually.
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Matt
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| said by tubbynet :said by Matt :Tk, seriously? sorry to burst your bubble, matt, but this isn't the real tk that we have all come to know and despise. it seems that when the former tk changed his name to TKJunkMail , this troll swooped in and stole his name, seemingly to do just as he has done here. it seems as though we have replaced someone with shillish beliefs and replaced him with someone who shills for shillings sake. as much as i cringed when reading some of TKJunkMail 's responses, i always appreciated the fact that he had *much* more couth and was often, a little more subtle about his shillish ways. this poser is just way too on the nose. kinda depresses me actually. q. Color me guilty. I thought the post was a bit brief and lacking a certain slant to the right that usually accompanies Tk's posts.  |
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SLD
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If you can vote, you should be able to lobby. Corpoations cannot vote. |
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cornelius785
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so explain how giving millions to a select few people (trying not to call politicians for what they are) is good for the economy? |
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TKJunkMail
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Original post said by TK Junk Mail :
Is lobbying so bad? It is part of our great democratic system. Heck, I'd even wager it's good for simulating our economy.
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said by TK Junk Mail :Lobbying just bad. It is NOT part of our great democratic system. Heck, I'd even wager it's bad for our economy. a 180 degree switcheroo. Why the change? |
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tubbynet
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| said by TKJunkMail :a 180 degree switcheroo. Why the change? trolling, comes to mind.
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digitalfreak
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Too damn funny |
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Bit
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Make that a 360
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TKJunkMail
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Avalon, NJ | said by Bit :Make that a 360 LOL. He can't make up his mind. |
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Asmodeus
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Re: Llobbying is so bad
Lobbying has been going on for ages and ages. It's about getting your grievance or position heard. I hate the current state of lobbying as it's exercised in our legislatures nationwide, but it isn't illegal nor should it be. The rules on lobbying should change, but as long as money equals free speech, then forget it. |
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