screavic
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| Little too late
This is coming a little too late considering most major freeway's are already being worked on...
I know there are some out there that aren't but alot are, they are not going to "move back" on the freeway and install conduit if they are 5 miles from being completed. |
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cableties
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| Yep. I always wondered why the utilities companies would dig up the freshly paved roads. It's not like the road work wasn't on the books for years. It's almost like the utility folks should be fined for any tear-up AFTER. Oh, did I type that? 
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screavic
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Paron, AR
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| Our water company does BORING only, I know it's expensive, but it saves the roads which in turn in the long run saves our tax dollars. Maybe the more companies would bore under the roads the more "startups" would come along which in turn would encourage competition and then make it cheaper  |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to screavic
said by screavic  :This is coming a little too late considering most major freeway's are already being worked on... roads ALWAYS need repair. Hell I remember living in Illinois where it seems the same stretch of roads were ALWAYS being repaired. Well technically I never saw any work being done. Just one guy in a ditch and 4 others looking at him and another guy in com construction vehicle smoking a cigarette. |
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screavic
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| I know they need repairs all the time, they just redid one of our worst freeways here and it's already needs some repairs no major ones that require an "overhaul" yet though. I guess these don't matter anyways since companies like Level 3 already have fiber running down them according to their maps.
My luck they would be repairing the road and then cut the fiber and never knew it |
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fiberguy
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1 edit | reply to screavic
From what I read on face value, Its a totally silly 'cute' bill being put out there which will not do anything good except raise the cost of building roads....
I'd love to read the exact bill word for word, to be honest.
Look at LA.. why in the world would all the "federal highways" need fiber run "with them"... doesn't really make sense to me. There WILL be freeways that are built where fiber isn't needed, nor likely ever will be needed, and the bill would only add millions to a project...
It's a good "thought" but writing laws out of emotion with out thoughts or any kind of break out clause, etc, is just bad bill writing.
This isn't the right way to do it.. if you want to deploy broadband, and you want a law that pushes that requirement, then write a law that does just that.. but, to attach an ambiguous law that says all federal highways HAVE to have fiber conduit is ridiculous.
Simply pass a law that addresses broadband in general.. and, I don't think that this is an "any single rep" issue, rather, a national broadband plan or communications bill anyway..
Don't these "parties" ever come together on these things? or is everyone out there throwing out ideas just to see what sticks anymore?
By the way.. this coming from Palo Alto, which if I'm correct, and I am, is in California.. (for disclosure, my home state of 28 years) .. a state that can't get its own act together financially, and really ever can with out shutting itself down to do so.. this is coming from a state that doesn't care or think twice about spending money.. even money it doesn't have.
Sorry, call me grouchy about this one, but there's a reason I left the state of CA and it wasn't becuase of the over abundance of sunshine either. (Funny, off topic, but, even after I leave that state, I wake up today hearing that the rest of us will get to pay for all those wonderful programs that CA can't get under control. I'll go to bed at night sleeping better knowing that my money made in MN will go to help a drug user in CA get a clean needle)
Just seems that CA should stop trying to find more ways to spend money right about now.. broadband or not. |
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Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
| said by fiberguy :and the bill would only add millions to a project... Really, Conduit along the way would add millions?
You using gold plated conduit or something? |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| reply to cableties
said by cableties :Yep. I always wondered why the utilities companies would dig up the freshly paved roads. It's not like the road work wasn't on the books for years. It's almost like the utility folks should be fined for any tear-up AFTER. Oh, did I type that? »www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/permit···st.shtml
New York City does. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| reply to BF69
said by BF69 :roads ALWAYS need repair. Hell I remember living in Illinois where it seems the same stretch of roads were ALWAYS being repaired. Well technically I never saw any work being done. Just one guy in a ditch and 4 others looking at him and another guy in com construction vehicle smoking a cigarette. Either thats Union labor or Uncle Tony's Construction Company. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| reply to Skippy25
said by Skippy25 :said by fiberguy :and the bill would only add millions to a project... Really, Conduit along the way would add millions? You using gold plated conduit or something? The road will already have conduit for the lights, seismology equipment, car counters, CCTVs, police radio repeaters, and State DOT fiber optic network for those "slow traffic next 5 miles" signs. Why not include extra conduit and ducts for discount backbone companies like Cogent to get more access to rural/suburban areas outside the ILEC? |
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hottboiinnc
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Cleveland, OH
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| reply to BF69
Roads always need repair because of their either being dug up all the time or the states and counties are using cheap ass asphalt instead of concerate like they should.
If they used concerate they wouldn't have to go back in the spring and "patch" them and then do it again in a few weeks after a major rain storm comes along and knocks the patch right out. |
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hottboiinnc
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Cleveland, OH | reply to patcat88
very true. and just laying conduit and leaving it empty until people move in is cheap. Hell the states and the feds would prolly make out on the deal as they'd lease space to the fiber owners. |
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jester121
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| reply to hottboiinnc
Concrete isn't magic -- you're in Ohio, same weather as Illinois basically. When they lay down concrete they have to place seams to allow for expansion/contraction with temp changes, and when water gets in there it freezes and heaves the pavement. Plows and trucks drive over it, breack off the edge, and you have potholes. |
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fiberguy
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| reply to patcat88
Sure... so long as the companies that want to use that conduit pay back any related cost to installing it.
I'm not a socialist so I'm sorry if I don't believe in tax payers footing bills for other entities that are getting benefit from it with out a return to the people that funded it. |
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fiberguy
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1 edit | reply to Skippy25
.. in some projects, you better believe it. I'm guessing you don't have any experience in job costing for major construction, do you? Depending on the project, it can sure enough add up quickly.
They don't just simply "drop another conduit" in the hole.. and the guys doing the job aren't always billed out by the hour.. so they don't simply grab a second piece of conduit and drop it in the trench.. many, if not most, jobs are priced out by a method called 'piece rate'..
I'm going going to go into a discussion on job costing but it isn't cheap.. |
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hottboiinnc
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I know how using concrete works. The thing is though Michigan uses it on their freeways and it works fine. They don't do anything to it and it lasts for years!
The rest of the Midwest states could do the same and be done with it.
The thing is though it seems like toooooo many people think about how much its costing now verse how much the project will cost in the long run. Why spend more out over a period of a few years verse spending the money now and forgetting about it and putting the "repair" budget funds on another road for a change. That's the problem the USDOT and many state DOTs have...
Everyone is toooo short sided for anything to really work. |
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jester121
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| I guess Michigan was bound to get something right eventually. 
Stop out in the Chicago burbs some time and you'll see what concrete roads look like after 1 winter. Better than asphalt, sure, but still in rouch shape. That may be a special "Italian" blend we use here though. |
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hottboiinnc
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1 edit | LOL @ Mi.
But they've had that for at least 8 years now.
But also concerete is also easier to patch. |
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Cthen
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Ypsilanti, MI
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| reply to jester121
said by jester121 :I guess Michigan was bound to get something right eventually. You would think so after the mistakes they have made, but no. What the other poster failed to mention is that this year, all concrete projects are still being redone from the year before. Not only does this mean the roadways but it also means every bridge too.
The year before all the contractors this state hired to rework the bridges and roadways used the wrong type of concrete. It was inferior (more like cheaper for the contractors) for what they were using it for and had to be redone as pieces of the bridges were falling onto motorists vehicles as they passed under less than a month after the projects were completed.
You would think they would have held the contractors responsible for it but nope, they didn't do that either. They got money from the federal level instead, hired the same contractors, and pretty much paid them again to do the same job they should have got right in the first place. Of course this would have all been prevented had the state inspected the work as the projects moved along, but no, they decided to do that after people driving under the bridges got hurt.
So, what did this state get right again? 
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ashworth
join:2001-10-06
Pittsburgh, PA
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Too little too late is an understatement, who was the engineering genious that didn't provide for future upgrades(leave some room for additional cables- be it copper or fiber). This is an example of poor planning and government will. Maybe they'll get some stimulus money ?? |
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