El Quintron
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join:2008-04-28
Etobicoke, ON
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| TSI Usenet vs. Paid Usenet Hello all,
In the past few months or so I've thought myself how to use Pan and SABnzbd+, and have used Usenet at infrequest intervals.
With the possible advent of UBB I'm considering switching to usenet full time so I can get the same amount of data, but with reduced bandwith cost. Right now I'm feeling pretty lazy which I why I keep using BitTorrent because I know it well.
Assuming I wanted to use Usenet full time, would I be better off with a premium usenet provider a la Astraweb?
For more seasoned users do you think Premium Usenet is a good deal?
I've also heard that some people keep TSI Usenet and buy blocks of Data for older stuff...
Any thoughts?
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| Re: TSI Usenet vs. Paid Usenet Yes Astraweb is well worth the 11 US month. Also if bell gets shot down on the UBB crap usenet is great for downloading a shit-ton of stuff being as you don't have to upload anything back.
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4 edits | Re: TSI Usenet vs. Paid Usenet Usenet does have its own weaknesses though.
No uploading, but you have PAR files to fix CRC errors.
Missing parts and the whole parts thing can get annoying
Sometimes you grab most of something just to find out a single piece is too old / gone and you have to wait for a PAR file to be upped just to fix the file or try again from the beginning.
Tried a pay to have usenet for a bit and found myself back on torrents, not due to being lazy, but since usenet simply didn't work so well at all for what I was looking for.
Even with a huge >250 day retention.
I didn't try multiple providers though, just the 1 that was both high speed and insane retention times.
HD content was like, 10's of thousands of pieces and this lead to alot of waste when things were missing..
If UBB comes, I feel using IRC could make a much better solution. | |
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| Long as you download the stuff in your providers Retention you should not have many issues with missing files. I love it no way I could never upload all the stuff I download with usenet back using torrents. 720P rips are near 5 gigs and 1080P ones are near 12gigs.
With usenet and my HD player it's good stuff. | |
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join:2006-08-30
Toronto, ON
| said by SaveTheNet  :Usenet does have its own weaknesses though. No uploading, but you have PAR files to fix CRC errors. Missing parts and the whole parts thing can get annoying Sometimes you grab most of something just to find out a single piece is too old / gone and you have to wait for a PAR file to be upped just to fix the file or try again from the beginning. Retention times are insane these days, I believe Astraweb is up to 270 days, if you need content that far back.. .
Tried a pay to have usenet for a bit and found myself back on torrents, not due to being lazy, but since usenet simply didn't work so well at all for what I was looking for.
Even with a huge >250 day retention.
I didn't try multiple providers though, just the 1 that was both high speed and insane retention times.
HD content was like, 10's of thousands of pieces and this lead to alot of waste when things were missing..
If UBB comes, I feel using IRC could make a much better solution.
I have been using Usenet almost from the day I hit the net, and I can say (with the exception of the pre-par days) that things are far better then torrents or any other scheme thats out there.
Even when I was on AOL, using my own Internet connection getting movies and music...
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join:2008-08-13
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| Re: TSI Usenet vs. Paid Usenet My only complaint with the TS usenet feature is the speed cap. I have gotten used to downloading a 1Gig .avi in under 1/2 hour. Leaving the computer on for another day or so to try and seed back isn't really a concern.
But, with TS cap, I invisioned waiting a day for something ..and if you want to seed back to retain your ratio, you have to be fast - or there are no 'takers' for your seed.
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El Quintron
Could you spare a consulting gig?
join:2008-04-28
Etobicoke, ON | Re: TSI Usenet vs. Paid Usenet Seeding is BitTorrent thing, I've never heard of seeding on Usenet...
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join:2004-11-15
Gatineau, ON | Retention is different too isn't it? | |
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Sukunai
join:2008-05-07
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| Most of us are here with Teksavvy because second place wasn't good enough.
If you're going to use newsgroups (which I assume is the same as saying usenet but I might be wrong), then you should just go all the way and use Giganews. Because don't you deserve the best? | |
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Nepean, ON | I've used Astraweb for a few months now and previously Giganews. I don't see any difference in performance at all, I can max out my speed on both and Astraweb is much cheaper which is actually the only reason I switched. | |
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join:2008-08-27
St Catharines, ON
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| Re: TSI Usenet vs. Paid Usenet said by mlerner :I've used Astraweb for a few months now and previously Giganews. I don't see any difference in performance at all, I can max out my speed on both and Astraweb is much cheaper which is actually the only reason I switched. I use astraweb too, got a promotional offer with them:
Astraweb
Retention: 270 days+
Compeltion: 99.9%
Connections: 20
Servers: EU/US
Unlimited: Yes
SSL: Free
Price: $11/month (Forever, no contract)
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join:2007-11-07
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| Re: TSI Usenet vs. Paid Usenet On the Astraweb website, the plans that i notice are Unlimited and Unlimited DSL.
With Unlimited, the cost is $10/month U.S., but the download speed is limited to 1 mbit/sec. With Unlimited DSL, the cost is $15/month U.S., and there is no limit to download speed.
So i'm wondering which is the $11/month plan you guys are refering to. Is it the 1 mbit/sec limited one, or unlimited one, or is there a special offer not posted on their website ?
It also says on their site that retention is being upgraded to 365 days. | |
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El Quintron
Could you spare a consulting gig?
join:2008-04-28
Etobicoke, ON
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| Re: TSI Usenet vs. Paid Usenet Sounds awsome, I don't know anything about IPv6 though and I thought it was coming to TSI, but not here yet.
I've heard about it, OS X has been supporting it since 03, but I haven't done my research.
Can I do IPv6 at home or does TSI explicitly have to support it?
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join:2008-05-31
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| said by corkyy :Well... I use TSI usenet with those two free ipv6 usenet provider # newszilla6.xs4all.nl:119 no l/p 3threads # news.ipv6.eweka.nl:119 no lp 4 threads I full my 5mbps connection perfectly, eweka is uptp 20mbps on 4 threads. If someone have others free Binaries NNTP servers, feel free to share  Edit » www.tunnelbroker.net toronto server is nice could you explain this a bit more...like what software are you using to get these speeds? can you just put those ipv6 server names into a program like SABnzbd? | |
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l0thar
join:2005-12-29
Far Far Away
1 edit | Re: TSI Usenet vs. Paid Usenet said by markj :could you explain this a bit more...like what software are you using to get these speeds? can you just put those ipv6 server names into a program like SABnzbd? Yeah, he got my attention with the FREE binaries service too. 
Started reading a bit, you will need IP V.6 installed and working properly to get started. Might be a fun project for a lazy weekend?
The site someone linked to allows you to tunnel from the normal Internet (IP v.4) thru a tunnel (Hurricane Electric) and reach those sites.
Would like some pointers and tips myself too!
Edit : TSI Usenet is up to 125 days retention, so it's not bad at all for the low cost of $4 (plus get MLPPP bundled).
Have used Astraweb myself, and can confirm they are top notch, no problems service.
UsenetServer.com (TSI's Usenet provider) wasn't on the same league when I tried the service for a couple months, but that was a while ago - hopefully they have improved.
The 1 Mb/s speed limit is reasonable, considering the low cost and the low limits for monthly bandwidth everywhere (yes, 200BG can go rather quickly at 120 KB/s usenet dls)
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El Quintron
Could you spare a consulting gig?
join:2008-04-28
Etobicoke, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Acanac
1 edit | said by corkyy :Well... I use TSI usenet with those two free ipv6 usenet provider # newszilla6.xs4all.nl:119 no l/p 3threads # news.ipv6.eweka.nl:119 no lp 4 threads I'm fairly new to all of this but assuming I hooked up with Gateway6, used The TSI servers as well, could I combine them all in SABnabd+ seeing as it supports multiple servers?
The reason I'm asking is that I'd be using IPv4, and IPv6 servers in the same client...
Your thoughts again Usenet Wizards?
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l0thar
join:2005-12-29
Far Far Away
| Re: TSI Usenet vs. Paid Usenet said by El Quintron :I'm fairly new to all of this but assuming I hooked up with Gateway6, used The TSI servers as well, could I combine them all in SABnabd+ seeing as it supports multiple servers? That should work just fine.
Th TSI one will be slower than the others, but can be a backup server in case some files are damaged, etc.
Haven't used SAB myself, I run alt.binz which is also fully automated, small and fast.
SAB has an advantage in that it directly supports IPv6 addressing, unlike alt.binz and many other popular readers.
If your favourite app doesn't support ipv6 directly, you can use one of two solutions to make it connect :
- by using nt6tunnel :
If you don't have a IPv6 capable news client (eg: Outlook Express) then download
NT6Tunnel or a similar port
forwarder and use:
C:\Programs\Net>nt6tunnel -v 119
Now you can setup your News Agent to use the server at localhost and you are off as
the nt6tunnel program will simply forward your connection over IPv6 allowing you access to the news. Or use the native ipv6 support in modern Windows systems, via netsh commands :
On Windows XP and up the 'netsh' command allows the creation of portforwards too:
netsh interface portproxy add v4tov6 listenport=119 connectaddress=newszilla6.xs4all.nl connectport=119
Both quotes above from SixXs's Cool IPv6 Stuff page : »https://www.sixxs.net/misc/coolstuff/ | |
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join:2008-05-31
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1 edit | Re: TSI Usenet vs. Paid Usenet im using SAB but still use this in my script:
netsh interface portproxy add v4tov6 listenport=119 connectaddress=newszilla6.xs4all.nl connectport=119
what would a setup look like for native ipv6 look like then (using SAB)? would it just be a matter of plugging in 'newszilla6.xs4all.nl' instead of localhost?
also to the guys wanting to use multiple servers - im not sure what kind of connection you have but the above server maxes out my connection so unless its down i wont need another server... | |
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l0thar
join:2005-12-29
Far Far Away
| Re: TSI Usenet vs. Paid Usenet Mark,
From what I have read on the net, SAB suppoorts ipv6 traffic directly, so you should be able to enter the ipv6 news servers URLs into it, instead of localhost (and use portproxy to bridge v6 to v4 traffic).
Give it a try, comment out that line and change the server url, if it doesn't work it will say it can't connect. | |
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Milledgeville, GA | Re: TSI Usenet vs. Paid Usenet If your computer has a routable ipv6 address SABnzbd+ can do ipv6 with no proxys. | |
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join:2008-05-31
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1 edit | said by l0thar :Mark, From what I have read on the net, SAB suppoorts ipv6 traffic directly, so you should be able to enter the ipv6 news servers URLs into it, instead of localhost (and use portproxy to bridge v6 to v4 traffic). Give it a try, comment out that line and change the server url, if it doesn't work it will say it can't connect. is there any setting you have to give SAB for using ipv6? its not connecting for me directly to ipv6 address...my script is like this:
ipv6 install
ipv6 rtu ::/0 2/::216.66.38.58 pub
ipv6 adu 2/2001:470:1c:71::2
edit: got it working was using the wrong port has to be 119 - seems like im getting slightly faster speeds via this way...like 20k/sec better cause there must be overhead to the portproxy way | |
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Sukunai
join:2008-05-07
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| Everybody catches up eventually of course.
2 years ago it was impressive to hear of 60 days retention I suppose. Giganews currently has damn near a full years retention.
But one has to wonder, how old file can you need?
In recent time (this year), my actual need (where volume is concerned) has dramatically shifted. And to be honest, if I can't find anything to want, then the price of Giganews does tend to be a factor.
But I have not tried Astraweb, and thus can't compare really.
And as they say, if it isn't broke, don't fix it.
But it isn't 2005 any more, and my own personal needs have evolved. | |
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| If you want to test usenet newsgroup, you can signup for 2 days free trial here
»member.xennews.com/signup.php
You can skip the Payment information: don't need to enter any payment info...
You can enter any fake information like name, address...
Only need to enter the correct email address, User ID, password...
If you keep your computer running, queue, you can download for 2 days... You can configure to use more connections in order to download at your max ISP speed (this server doesn't have good download speed compare to other premium paid news server)...
After 2 days trial, if you're cheap, you can change your IP by rebooting your modem, or disconnect/connect your internet...
Signup again using different email, User ID...
After a while, you might change your mind and pay for cheap good news server deal like Astraweb $11 USD/month... | |
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rule #1 - nobody talks about usenet.
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| Have used the XenNews trial account, thanks to the poster above for linking it. Worked excellent.
BUT - I came across an even BettER deal.
Reading the alt.binz forum, someone mentioned XLned, I went and found out and their offer is the best I have seen yet.
Full details of account types at »www.xlned.com/bestellen/ .
* 2.5 Mb/s Lite account, unlimited transfers, 220 days retention, is only an incredible 3 Euros per month (was CAD$4.60 at paypal exchange rates). Buy a 6 months block, and it's even less.
Being a new customer, I picked the 1 month to try them out, and the account was setup and running in minutes. the price is super, the best deal until now was AstraWeb for USD$11, this is way less money.
For my limited DSL speed, the 2.5Mb/s account will work just fine.
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kcorscadden
join:2007-04-04
Kingston, ON
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| I use Astraweb with the $11 US unlimited a month and I absolutely love it. Torrents are good for some stuff, but usenet 99% of the time has everything I want.
Also, Astraweb is moving up to 365 days of retention.
»helpdesk.astraweb.com/index.php?···ewsid=20
So you get a kick ass price and one of the best retention rates out there. The only thing that would be nice would be if they allowed multiple IP address logins at once, meaning more than one IP address can log in. I think Giganews allows this and maybe a few others. | |
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join:2007-10-23
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3 edits | Re: TSI Usenet vs. Paid Usenet Suffice it to say that I've not ever had a corrupt autounrared download from Easynews' web access. And the sort of in-transit errors you're describing are extremely rare with unencrypted TCP and basically impossible with SSL. (In other words, the problem would be something else, and not likely to occur with http transport.)
That's not to say Easynews has never had problems. But the problems I've experienced were never related to corrupt data. | |
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join:2008-05-31
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| »https://accounts.usenetserver.com/special/
here is one special, $10/month unlimited...but what makes this one pretty good is you get 20 threads and they can be from different ips so you could share with a few people...
if anyone is interested in making a little group so we could split by say 3 this would be a much better deal than the $4 teksavy...i read that 3 threads will max out a typical dsl connection btw... | |
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Sukunai
join:2008-05-07
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| What about Newsleecher?
Well my tech support like buddy uses it, that says all I need said. You get it free with unlimited Giganews. But it's good enough to pay the one shot fee if you are not with Giganews.
We have also decided to see if Astraweb is earning it's praise, and might be the new thing for us. I've enjoyed Giganews, but hey, why pay 30 bucks for something if you can get it for 13 bucks?
When retention exceeds 200 days, it becomes a bit silly to fuss over it. 245, 265 is there any real difference? | |
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l0thar
join:2005-12-29
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1 edit | Re: TSI Usenet vs. Paid Usenet said by Sukunai :...but hey, why pay 30 bucks for something if you can get it for 13 bucks? Indeed.
Why pay $13 when there's an Astraweb offer for USD$11 per month even ?
(link was posted earlier in this thread)
Corky, thank you for the info on IPv6, got to check it out, can't pass something so interesting. | |
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join:2008-03-16 | Re: TSI Usenet vs. Paid Usenet Hes referring to the Canadian conversion price being 13.77 for signup i think Lothar
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join:2007-04-04
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3 edits | Here's a wicked deal for usenet service:
»accounts.usenetserver.com/special/
(new customers/signups only, discount applies as long as your account stays active)
$10.00 -- 1 Month High-Speed Plus Auto-renewing
Unlimited Downloads
SSL Access
240+ Days of Binary Retention (spooling to 400)
365+ Days of Text Retention
20 Concurrent Connections
Referral Credits
Here's the usual prices:
3-Day Plan, starts at $3.00
1 Month High-Speed $14.95
3 Month High-Speed $39.95 ($13.32 per month)
1 Month High-Speed Plus $17.95
3 Month High-Speed Plus $47.95 ($15.98 per month)
The only real difference of regular vs plus is 10 connections instead of 20.
What makes these guys special is you can share your 10/20 connections (simultaneous logins from multiple ips). | |
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join:2008-11-14
L'Assomption, QC
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Well... I use TSI usenet with those two free ipv6 usenet provider
# newszilla6.xs4all.nl:119 no l/p 3threads
# news.ipv6.eweka.nl:119 no lp 4 threads
I full my 5mbps connection perfectly, eweka is uptp 20mbps on 4 threads.
If someone have others free Binaries NNTP servers, feel free to share
Edit »www.tunnelbroker.net toronto server is nice
I don't know that much about usenet/newsgroup, but I have read enough recently to give it a go.
I know I need a static IP with usenet/newsgroup access to connect to usenets via TSI, but is it the same deal with other newsgroups (like # newszilla6.xs4all.nl:119, # news.ipv6.eweka.nl:119)?
I already created an account on www.tunnelbroker.net to get IPv6 working, but does my IP need to be static to connect to them? I was planning on using SABnzbd+ for all my newsgroup needs.
Can someone give me a link to another post in this forum where I could get a rundown on how to connect, how it works, etc... I'm sure someone on the forum posted something in the past. | |
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