http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22340005 en Sun, 29 Nov 2009 02:05:11 EDT Sun, 29 Nov 2009 02:05:11 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22364942 anon : I prefer'd combat lvln myself. But i'd also have to say combat would probably mesh better with a druid imo.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22364942 Sat, 09 May 2009 19:52:27 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22345263 Krisnatharok : Thanks for the responses guys. Looks like I'll play around a bit with the sub and combat specs.

I really appreciate the leveling progression, Jiga. My wife and I played for about an hour the other day and hit level 9 together. The RAF bonus is huge.

I'm going to look to transfer my priest over to my wife's account so I can roll a pally/priest when she's not up for playing.
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He can do either way, they both work. I've done it both ways and find combat to be the easiest personally. Grab all the mobs and BF/AR them down. With the short cool downs of the two you can use it all the time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22345058 Tue, 05 May 2009 20:18:07 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22344893 Dropper : Why when you can evade almost all their attacks until only one mob is left, or just vanish and run away as any good rogue should do? :D

I'll say it again, but don't believe me if you choose not to, leveling as sub is the easiest way to level. You have stealth the equivalent of 3 levels above your own and can move faster while stealthed. Add to that 5 pts in combat for offhand damage, and maybe 13 in assassination for extra punch on your second hit, and you'll be two shotting most mobs you come across after lvl 60.

At lvl 80 I did 16,000 damage in two hits while I was dressed in lvl 78 crafted blues. You have over 50% chance to crit on ambush and you'll always have 5 combo pts for a nice 8K eviscerate. There isn't a non-elite mob in Northrend that can take that much damage and live.

Get into trouble? You'll have two evasions and two vanishes, as well as a much lower cooldown on both.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22344893 Tue, 05 May 2009 19:45:48 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22343343 slashr : go combat for blade furry. If you ever pull more than 2 mobs you'll need this. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22343343 Tue, 05 May 2009 15:10:16 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22342810 Dropper : I leveled both my toons as subtlety. The reasons were mostly because the improved stealth and increased speed while stealthed are huge bonuses to getting quests done quickly, and questing is by far the quickest way to level.

However I also noticed something when I reached the 60s. Subtlety gives MASSIVE burst damage. Two shotting mobs is almost difficult not to do (or three if you prefer to start with a cheap shot).

The reason is you'll have 5 combo points on your second hit no matter what your opening move is.

When it comes to dailies the same is true, which is why my toon has a sub spec under the new dual specing.

The last reason to go this way is being able to break up the monotony with PvP, and there is no better spec for PvP.

Obviously sub specs are useless for raiding, but they're ok for regular dungeons and heroics. Combat and Mut are of course far superior because after the initial burst damage, sub offers next to nothing. If you don't kill your target fast, it takes too long.

But when you're leveling you get to vanish, evade and so on more often because of decreased cooldowns and prep, so you can take on multiple mobs with no more difficulty than either of the raid specs. In fact I'd say taking on multiple mobs is easier. I tried doing dailies spec'd combat and I hated the fact I'd actually take damage. You simply don't take damage as a sub rogue, not if you use your cooldowns and sub talents right.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22342810 Tue, 05 May 2009 13:36:40 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22342642 JIGA : For the early levels, 1-50ish, combat works the best with a couple of talents from the assassination tree. Crits put it pretty good in his reply.

For starters
2/2 Sinister Strike
5/5 Dual Wield Specialization
5/5 Malice
3/3 Improved Eviscerate (this will be your main finisher at low levels)
5/5 Precision
2/2 Endurance
1/2 Improved Slice and Dice
5/5 Aggression
3/3 Lightning Reflexes
1/1 Blade Flurry
5/5 Sword Spec

That's something I would do for starters. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22342642 Tue, 05 May 2009 13:05:44 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22342044 Zyncotl : I found Combat Swords to be the fastest leveling build. Don't waste time and energy working daggers from behind when you can just smash their teeth in.
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Any idea for a rogue spec?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22341038 Tue, 05 May 2009 06:04:08 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22341000 Don69Fire : are they linked accounts. like the RAF accounts??? if so. pick toons that are within 4 levels of each other so they both benefit from the XP buff. hunter/shaman, priest/pally night be a good combo.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22341000 Tue, 05 May 2009 05:29:39 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22340005 Krisnatharok : I recently convinced my wife to RAF with me and she picked a nelf druid, so I picked up a nelf rogue to play with her.

The Rogue talent trees are somethin' else. Unlike every other class, a leveling spec is pretty hard to figure out on your own.

Anyone have a progression for leveling? What glyphs should I fill in as my spellbook unlocks? And is there a profession that provides *amazing* synergy with a rogue? I've tentatively picked up Herb/Alch and my wife is going LW/skinning.

EDIT: I'm also considering transfering one my chars to her account to group with while not playing with hers. What are the best pairing combos? I have a 20 priest, 20 pally, 20 shaman, 20 hunter, 36 druid, and 57 warlock. I have no problem grouping the druid or lock and just setting them to passive follow while questing on the lower alt until they've caught up. I'm interesting in topping out the druid or shaman soon to help the guild in raids. Any thoughts?

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