What carrier controls your phone number? in VOIP Tech Chat http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22336890 en Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:37:10 EDT Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:37:10 EDT Re: In conclusion, CALLER ID NAME is unavailable on TNID.org http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22847308 soitgoes2 :
said by FenixSucks See Profile :

Well, they found even more way to milk users. What was free on TNID, to remove your name from being available, you must now purchase a $4.95 privilege to keep your information unavailable through their pay service.

By that, it probably means hidden, not destroy.

"Yes, I want to make my data private. I'd like to remove my personal information from public data sources so that others cannot access it. I understand that for a one-time fee of just $4.95, I'll receive an Online Privacy Protection package with complete removal instructions. (Recommended) "
That's not on tnid.org--that's the service they link to through a referral link, reversephonedetective.com.

It is not the same thing as the file on tnid.org

»www.reversephonedetective.com/faq.html

Also note the entire answer to the question:
How do I get my own information deleted from these databases?
We take your privacy very seriously. You can "opt-out" of our website and members area for free online here.

Our opt-out system prevents your information from appearing to users that visit ReversePhoneDetective.com. It does not, however, remove your records from the source databases that we use (we have no control over these). That's why we created our Online Privacy Protection™ package.

This package will help you remove your personal information from 44 of these databases-- and prevent certain data-brokers from selling your records in the future. You can purchase this package for just $4.95 on our registration page by selecting the check box near the bottom that says "Yes, I want to make my data private."


They let you opt out of reversephonedetective.com for FREE and then try to upsell a $4.95 product to remove you from a number of source databases.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22847308 Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:55:04 EDT Re: In conclusion, CALLER ID NAME is unavailable on TNID.org http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22844944 NY Tel : I stand by my original comments and observations. Can't fool a New yorker.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22844944 Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:45:52 EDT Re: In conclusion, CALLER ID NAME is unavailable on TNID.org http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22844903 FenixSucks :
said by N9MD See Profile :

said by FenixSucks See Profile :

Yes, but this is not an solicitation for business board.
I agree ... with reservations. Yes, the BBR Forums prohibit blatant shilling and advertising and marketing. However, the Moderators seem to permit a bit of commercialism from time to time such as when RockyBB tastefully offers a recommendation to those looking for Business VoIP services (asking that he be sent a PM) - or - DogFace05 indicates his willingness to help unlock an ATA device for a fee (asking that he be sent a PM) -or - one of the top level VoIP execs reveals a new feature or pricing structure (which can be construed as seeking more business).

I, for one, have not seen flagrant commercialism on the part of the tnid guy. Rather, it has been some of the responding posters who have "bashed" the tnid website (not topgun98's Forum posts) for its links to "fee for search" options.

I'm just trying to provide some balance to remarks made by you (and others) ... I'm not looking to do battle. But let's not make topgun98 out to be a badguy.
Well, they found even more way to milk users. What was free on TNID, to remove your name from being available, you must now purchase a $4.95 privilege to keep your information unavailable through their pay service.

By that, it probably means hidden, not destroy.

"Yes, I want to make my data private. I'd like to remove my personal information from public data sources so that others cannot access it. I understand that for a one-time fee of just $4.95, I'll receive an Online Privacy Protection package with complete removal instructions. (Recommended) "]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22844903 Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:39:32 EDT Re: In conclusion, CALLER ID NAME is unavailable on TNID.org http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22727425 N9MD :
said by FenixSucks See Profile :

Yes, but this is not an solicitation for business board.
I agree ... with reservations. Yes, the BBR Forums prohibit blatant shilling and advertising and marketing. However, the Moderators seem to permit a bit of commercialism from time to time such as when RockyBB tastefully offers a recommendation to those looking for Business VoIP services (asking that he be sent a PM) - or - DogFace05 indicates his willingness to help unlock an ATA device for a fee (asking that he be sent a PM) -or - one of the top level VoIP execs reveals a new feature or pricing structure (which can be construed as seeking more business).

I, for one, have not seen flagrant commercialism on the part of the tnid guy. Rather, it has been some of the responding posters who have "bashed" the tnid website (not topgun98's Forum posts) for its links to "fee for search" options.

I'm just trying to provide some balance to remarks made by you (and others) ... I'm not looking to do battle. But let's not make topgun98 out to be a badguy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22727425 Fri, 17 Jul 2009 23:25:55 EDT Re: In conclusion, CALLER ID NAME is unavailable on TNID.org http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22726130 FenixSucks : Yes, but this is not an solicitation for business board.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22726130 Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:13:43 EDT Re: In conclusion, CALLER ID NAME is unavailable on TNID.org http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22720750 N9MD :
said by FenixSucks See Profile :

... If members here were to contact you, would you provide the information no strings attached, or are you going to ask for personal information and/or $$$$ ?
FenixSucks, you have have every right to post this question ... but I would advise topgun98 to withhold an answer (if he is wont to do so).

In the past, we suffered an embroglio when a poster challenged dogface05's right to charge for his "adapter unlocking" services. Insults were hurled between the "pro" and "con" camps ... and nothing was resolved ... but hurt feelings lingered.

topgun98 has been available and open to responding to questions concerning tnid.org functionality ... and he has accurately countered misstatements made by some.

Let's give him credit for a website that does afford us a free service when checking out the original and current controlling entities of any given DID. He has every right to ask for compensation for certain advanced requests, if that is his desire ... and, if we want the additional info, we must pay the piper. As one of my dear friends who flunked high school Spanish I twice likes to say: "Commercio es commercio." ("Business is business.") There is no hidden agenda in topgun98's responses.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22720750 Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:42:31 EDT Verizon Wireless people http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22716137 FenixSucks : Also, for Verizon Wireless users, if you're interested in checking if the #s you are curious about are VZW as well for the purpose of M2M minutes, you can check that on your account on vzw.com, or on your handset, Go to My Account, M2M(option 8), then enter up to 3 phone numbers and it will report back if the #s are eligible for M2M. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22716137 Thu, 16 Jul 2009 02:53:03 EDT In conclusion, CALLER ID NAME is unavailable on TNID.org http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22716129 FenixSucks :
said by topgun98 (proprietor of TNID.org) :
With all of that said, we still have full real-time LIDB access. We chose not to display CNAM results for now for reasons I'm willing to discuss in private, but if anyone needs CNAM, Name and Address, Current Provider, or any other LIDB information, please don't hesitate to contact me directly at sales@tnid.org.

Cheers!


I believe it was mentioned somewhere that the service wasn't really for our benefits, but to draw people into shelling out $$$ for per-pay information.

IMO it's sketchy that you decline to discuss reasons in public.

If members here were to contact you, would you provide the information no strings attached, or are you going to ask for personal information and/or $$$$ ? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22716129 Thu, 16 Jul 2009 02:48:55 EDT Re: TNID.ORG no longer offers LIDB lookup. Useless. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654400 soitgoes2 :
said by PX Eliezer See Profile :

Searchbug is interesting, but their carrier data is definitely out of date compared to TNID.ORG
It's not really out-of-date, it's just llimited to NPA-NXX-N block assignment info, which is provided on many sites.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654400 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 16:27:39 EDT Re: TNID.ORG no longer offers LIDB lookup. Useless. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654360 PX Eliezer : Agreed here too.

Searchbug is interesting, but their carrier data is definitely out of date compared to TNID.ORG

I don't care about caller ID. It's the carrier data that's of primary interest.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654360 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 16:15:20 EDT Re: TNID.ORG no longer offers LIDB lookup. Useless. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654214 NY Tel :
said by RockyBB See Profile :

said by usa2k See Profile :

said by NY Tel See Profile :

The searchbug.com info is not up-to-date ...
Noted! So their URL name is apt :)
Let's all be accurate. searchbug says "issued" not current carrier. so it's not a bug ... it's just not answering the question of "current carrier."
Agreed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654214 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:24:20 EDT Re: TNID.ORG no longer offers LIDB lookup. Useless. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653451 RockyBB :
said by usa2k See Profile :

said by NY Tel See Profile :

The searchbug.com info is not up-to-date ...
Noted! So their URL name is apt :)
Let's all be accurate. searchbug says "issued" not current carrier. so it's not a bug ... it's just not answering the question of "current carrier."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653451 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 11:19:34 EDT Re: TNID.ORG no longer offers LIDB lookup. Useless. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653355 usa2k :
said by NY Tel See Profile :

The searchbug.com info is not up-to-date ...
Noted! So their URL name is apt]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653355 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:45:54 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653300 RockyBB :
said by FenixSucks See Profile :

TNID.ORG no longer offers LIDB lookup. Useless.
Now the TNID.ORG is more or less COMPLETELY USELESS
I admire your passion, but you need to work on your accuracy. Though tnid.org no longer accesses caller ID info, it still accesses the LRN database, and seems to continue to provide accurate information about the current carrier of a phone number, which is the title of this thread.

If it were me, I would have stated simply "hey guys, TNID.ORG doesn't have caller ID info anymore, but you can get it at searchbug.com." That would have been friendlier and more helpful.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653300 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:30:04 EDT Re: TNID.ORG no longer offers LIDB lookup. Useless. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653229 NY Tel : The searchbug.com info is not up-to-date as far as current carrier. 100% of the 9 numbers I searched showed the original carrier of record but in each of these instances, the person has chosen a different carrier and has long since ported to them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653229 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:01:39 EDT Re: TNID.ORG no longer offers LIDB lookup. Useless. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653198 usa2k : Excellent tip! »searchbug.com is a great resource for all of us to remember. :)
$9.95 for possibly similar extra cost info.

The LIDB info costs each time.
I could see an advertisement-based version ...
Play a short video before rendering the info perhaps.
Even so, some company might archive/cache the result.
I do not know what the LIDB TOS was, but I expect that is where they went too far before.

In truth, I miss »anywho.com before ATT bought them out.

ANYWHO used to let you update your personal details in their listing. You updated info online, then confirmed, from a phone with matching CID, by calling a toll free number.
--

Jim, VoIP 12/2002, VOIPo 2/2007
FAH-Tool ... Pets ... USA2K site ... Artist-247]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653198 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 09:46:32 EDT Re: TNID.ORG no longer offers LIDB lookup. Useless. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22652949 FenixSucks : True, but the same information has been available on searchbug.com landline or cell long before them.

The differentiation between them and TIRS/TNID was that it provided real CNAM from a live LIDB. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22652949 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 06:33:59 EDT Re: TNID.ORG no longer offers LIDB lookup. Useless. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22652816 usa2k : The site looks fineto me. The free part is all most would want.(And more user friendly now!)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22652816 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 03:31:17 EDT Re: TNID.ORG no longer offers LIDB lookup. Useless. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22652777 soitgoes2 :
said by FenixSucks See Profile :

The only thing that made TNID worth anything is that it provided a hot access to LIDB, but that's no more.
No. What made and makes the site useful is access to *provider* information.
This is especially helpful for ports.

The site currently doesn't have CNAM at all; the so-called paid feature you are referring to was there all along (even when CNAM was being provided) and it just links to
»www.reversephonedetective.com

The site remains useful for underlying carrier information.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22652777 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 02:55:22 EDT TNID.ORG no longer offers LIDB lookup. Useless. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22652691 FenixSucks : Now the TNID.ORG is more or less COMPLETELY USELESS

Type in a number and it will only lead you to a site which you must PURCHASE the information, which I'm sure is in violation of the database access grantee's terms of use.

Same functions can be obtained from
Searchbug.com landline or cell look up and I'm sure many other databases. The only thing that made TNID worth anything is that it provided a hot access to LIDB, but that's no more. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22652691 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 01:59:07 EDT Re: "You Are Correct, Sir" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22601811 usa2k : »thinkcommon.com/blog/2009/06/24/···2%80%9D/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22601811 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:30:02 EDT Re: "You Are Correct, Sir" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22601564 NY Tel :
said by PX Eliezer See Profile :

said by N9MD See Profile :

said by NY Tel See Profile :

And as Johnny Carson used to say:
Since we've gotten there---

Thanks to Conan O'Brien for a classy tribute to Ed McMahon on the Tonight show just now. Really. :)
Oh I missed it. Don't watch Conan. Can't wait for Jay Leno to return. Conan is sophomoric in his humor. Temporarily, I have switched to Letterman and re-runs of Seinfeld. Anything but Conan....Just my opinion. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22601564 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 08:30:30 EDT Re: "You Are Correct, Sir" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22601022 synchron : this has been a very funny day. Whew!

Synchron :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22601022 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 01:54:28 EDT "You Are Correct, Sir" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22600711 PX Eliezer :
said by N9MD See Profile :

said by NY Tel See Profile :

And as Johnny Carson used to say:
Since we've gotten there---

Thanks to Conan O'Brien for a classy tribute to Ed McMahon on the Tonight show just now. Really. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22600711 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 23:59:45 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22600466 N9MD :
said by NY Tel See Profile :

And as Johny Carson used to say:

"How do you get there? Let me tell you friends, how do you get there! You take the San Diego Freeway to the Ventura Freeway. You drive to the Slauson Cutoff, get out of your car, cut off your Slauson, get back in your car, then you drive six miles till you see the Giant Neon Vice-Squad Cop."
Ah! But you forgot to "take the Oxnard off ramp." :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22600466 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:58:27 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22600442 PX Eliezer : .
Area codes have increasingly little to do with areas, especially considering overlays.

Moreover, the PHYSICAL location of a switch is NOT necessarily related to its area code.

Bud Abbott said it decades ago:

If a fat man's belly protrudes over the bar, it still does not belong to the bartender.
Click for full size
My fellow New Jersey guys.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22600442 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:53:45 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22600297 RockyBB :
said by synchron See Profile :

Dazed & Confused!
you certainly are. Irvine is area code 949.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22600297 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:21:35 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22599749 NY Tel :
said by burgerwars See Profile :

Given time, a few more earthquakes, geologic drift, and a few million years, Agoura should be down in Orange County by then. The database is just ahead of its time.
And as Johny Carson used to say:

"How do you get there? Let me tell you friends, how do you get there! You take the San Diego Freeway to the Ventura Freeway. You drive to the Slauson Cutoff, get out of your car, cut off your Slauson, get back in your car, then you drive six miles till you see the Giant Neon Vice-Squad Cop."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22599749 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:37:18 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22599679 burgerwars : Given time, a few more earthquakes, geologic drift, and a few million years, Agoura should be down in Orange County by then. The database is just ahead of its time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22599679 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:25:08 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22599627 synchron : But this is why CA has so many area codes. How can 818 be possibly considered as Irvine CA??

I'm in Simi Valley (805) and I got a free DID today from sipgate one in Agoura Hills (818), please tell me this is true and that it is NOT in Irvine (714).

Dazed & Confused!

Synchron. :huh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22599627 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:14:23 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22599553 PX Eliezer : Yes.

Physical switch location is often VERY different from ratecenter!!

Can EASILY be 50-75 miles.

This is ESPECIALLY true in CLEC situations.

------------------------------

Don't be blame the site,
cuz they did had it RIGHT!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22599553 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:00:35 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22599489 hardly :
said by synchron See Profile :

. . . saying it's in Agoura Hills CA (local to my Lata) but this site says it's in Irvine, CA, about 75 miles away!
Maybe confusion of ratecenter and switch location?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22599489 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:50:09 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22599473 RockyBB :
said by synchron See Profile :

Bad database!
or user misinterpretation?

Los Angeles area is huge, as you know, and CLECs don't have CLLIs based on local wire centers...which is why the tnid site says "estimated" local city, because your number could be local to lots of areas.

Check out: »www.telcodata.us/telcodata/ratec···state=ca You'll see all the area code and exchanges in the Agoura rate center ... but look under the CLLI column and you'll see Los Angeles and Long Beach and Anaheim and Irvine!

The meat of the site is what carrier is handling the phone number after porting.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22599473 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:47:54 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22599404 Fisamo : I don't think the $14.95 goes to topgun98 See Profile... I also think that NY Tel See Profile knew that. ;)

Rocky, thanks for pointing this site out. It would be good to know why the site no longer shows CNAM info and if that feature is likely to be revived any time soon, even if only on a pay-basis ($0.009/lookup is what Vitelity charges).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22599404 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:35:12 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22599327 synchron : Sorry I don't trust this site!

I just got a new DID for free today saying it's in Agoura Hills CA (local to my Lata) but this site says it's in Irvine, CA, about 75 miles away!

Bad database!

Synchron :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22599327 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:22:59 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22599162 NY Tel :
said by PX Eliezer See Profile :

Agreed. The carrier lookup is a very useful service.
Yes but the site says "providing free caller ID lookups" when that is not true.
That's the part that I think is "Less than true" so my only point is that they should call it free carrier lookup :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22599162 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:50:27 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22598866 PX Eliezer : Agreed. The carrier lookup is a very useful service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22598866 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:53:43 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22598307 josephf : I note that the title of this thread "What carrier controls your phone number?" extols the sites ability to determine a numbers current carrier, and not particularly the CNAM info. And this functionality is still available on the site, free, and as good as ever. (Albeit not real-time after the first lookup of a DID.)

I don't know of any other site, surely not free, that offers post-porting DID carrier information. So certainly this site still has much meat to it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22598307 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:24:24 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22598061 RockyBB :
said by NY Tel See Profile :

I'll take my chances elsewhere.
yeah, me too. The next time I find something useful, I'll keep it to myself. those that were appreciative of a source for the info about what carrier is handling a phone number post-porting were far outnumbered by the crybabies, complainers and fault-finders. No, the site turned out not to be perfect or real time, but it is much more than anyone else gave us, and it was free. What was the guy's reward for putting that together? A load of accusations and threats from too many forum members. If I was the owner of the site, I would have shut it down altogether.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22598061 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:50:41 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22597889 NY Tel :
said by unknvoip See Profile :

said by NY Tel See Profile :

The free stuff was a come-on to get us hooked.
Yup, just another redirect to a pay too much for reverse phone search info. :(
14.95 for an inquiry? I'll take my chances elsewhere.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22597889 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:28:40 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22595498 unknvoip :
said by NY Tel See Profile :

The free stuff was a come-on to get us hooked.
Yup, just another redirect to a pay too much for reverse phone search info. :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22595498 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:47:21 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22589175 PX Eliezer :
said by NY Tel See Profile :

The site has been totally re-designed and there is now no way to get "free Caller ID" lookups.
Check it out. The free stuff was a come-on to get us hooked.
You are probably right as far as the CID. However, it is still very helpful to have the info on the original and current carriers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22589175 Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:56:00 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22589140 NY Tel :
said by phoneguy2009 :

said by topgun98 See Profile :

- It is not a "bug" that the Caller ID is cached after the first request. However, the data is not cached forever. After a set number of days, the SS7/TCAP query is executed when someone requests it. Please keep in mind that we're spending hundreds of dollars on Caller ID queries, and we're giving the results away for free.
This is against the LIDB rules and is certain to get you blacklisted. I presume that's why your site keeps going offline.

Verizon, Qwest, AT&T, etc will get their panties in a bunch if you are accessing their LIDB information and caching the results. That's one sure way to be sued out of existence!

CNAM.info stopped working a few days ago and the guy told me it's because someone was caching data and they got caught.
The site has been totally re-designed and there is now no way to get "free Caller ID" lookups.
Check it out. The free stuff was a come-on to get us hooked.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22589140 Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:45:52 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22588336 Will Hill : Have any/all of the bugs reported here been addressed yet?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22588336 Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:47:15 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22564149 anon :
said by topgun98 See Profile :

- It is not a "bug" that the Caller ID is cached after the first request. However, the data is not cached forever. After a set number of days, the SS7/TCAP query is executed when someone requests it. Please keep in mind that we're spending hundreds of dollars on Caller ID queries, and we're giving the results away for free.
This is against the LIDB rules and is certain to get you blacklisted. I presume that's why your site keeps going offline.

Verizon, Qwest, AT&T, etc will get their panties in a bunch if you are accessing their LIDB information and caching the results. That's one sure way to be sued out of existence!

CNAM.info stopped working a few days ago and the guy told me it's because someone was caching data and they got caught.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22564149 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 07:13:29 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22494526 usa2k :
... many new features, including Full Name and Billing Address.
That I hope is against the LIDB TOS
(If that is where it comes from.)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22494526 Thu, 04 Jun 2009 09:07:23 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22494341 josephf :
I probably would, but I honestly don't remember what it's set at right now.
Seems like Current Provider is set at 30 days (on the 31st day it finally refreshed to the correct, new, provider.) CNAM is longer, as it is already over 31 days with the old data still.

It shows the cached result and also gives you the option of re-executing the query.
How does this "option" of re-executing appear? I see none.

BTW when do you expect to release the premium product?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22494341 Thu, 04 Jun 2009 07:56:28 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22494280 topgun98 :
Are you willing and able to tell us what the set number of days the cache is held?"
I probably would, but I honestly don't remember what it's set at right now.

What happens when it (finally) expires? Does it look like it was never checked?
It shows the cached result and also gives you the option of re-executing the query.

Any ballpark idea yet what the paid product will cost?
We have not finalized the prices. I can't make any promises, but I think a substantial discount for the people in this thread could be arranged.

Will it just be a per query charge, a flat monthly fee, or a monthly fee with a per query charge?
Per query, no monthly fee, and no charge if the data isn't available.

I don't want to spill the beans on all of it, but I can tell you that there will be many new features, including Full Name and Billing Address.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22494280 Thu, 04 Jun 2009 07:34:19 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22491731 wierdo :
said by topgun98 See Profile :

- TNID will still be free to use after the commercial product launches.
Any ballpark idea yet what the paid product will cost? Will it just be a per query charge, a flat monthly fee, or a monthly fee with a per query charge?
--
It's wierdo, not weirdo. Yes, I know that's not the 'proper' spelling of the similar english language word. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22491731 Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:09:22 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22488261 usa2k :
said by Fisamo See Profile :

...

Are you willing and able to tell us what the set number of days the cache is held?
What happens when it (finally) expires?
Does it look like it was never checked?

If someone is using a pay version,
is that info cached and available for display on the free version?
--

Jim, VoIP since 12/2002, VOIPo 2/7/2007
FAH-Tool ... Whales ... USA2K site ... Artist-247]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22488261 Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:26:27 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22488098 Fisamo :
said by topgun98 See Profile :

Folks,

A few quick notes:

- It is not a "bug" that the Caller ID is cached after the first request. However, the data is not cached forever. After a set number of days, the SS7/TCAP query is executed when someone requests it. Please keep in mind that we're spending hundreds of dollars on Caller ID queries, and we're giving the results away for free.

- No, Current Provider is not free to look up for us, either.

- We will, very soon, launch a commercial product that will allow you to run as many queries as you want, and the results will always be real-time.

- TNID will still be free to use after the commercial product launches.

In the meantime, please enjoy the Caller ID lookups at our expense.

Cheers!
We appreciate your openness and your *FREE* service (I do believe I can speak for mazilo See Profile expecially.. ;) ) . Given the costs involved, I don't blame you for caching the data, or if it's for a fairly lengthy period of time. Are you willing and able to tell us what the set number of days the cache is held?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22488098 Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:55:42 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22487673 josephf :
said by topgun98 See Profile :

- It is not a "bug" that the Caller ID is cached after the first request. However, the data is not cached forever. After a set number of days, the SS7/TCAP query is executed when someone requests it. Please keep in mind that we're spending hundreds of dollars on Caller ID queries, and we're giving the results away for free.

- No, Current Provider is not free to look up for us, either.
Today is June 3rd, and I am still seeing cached data, for both Caller ID AND Current Provider, from May 4, 2009.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22487673 Wed, 03 Jun 2009 08:01:24 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22487566 topgun98 : Folks,

A few quick notes:

- It is not a "bug" that the Caller ID is cached after the first request. However, the data is not cached forever. After a set number of days, the SS7/TCAP query is executed when someone requests it. Please keep in mind that we're spending hundreds of dollars on Caller ID queries, and we're giving the results away for free.

- No, Current Provider is not free to look up for us, either.

- We will, very soon, launch a commercial product that will allow you to run as many queries as you want, and the results will always be real-time.

- TNID will still be free to use after the commercial product launches.

In the meantime, please enjoy the Caller ID lookups at our expense.

Cheers!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22487566 Wed, 03 Jun 2009 07:19:36 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22487275 FenixSucks : How do I get Qwest to suppress CNAM on my outbound calls on my POTS? I don't care if they see my number, but I'd rather not every business I call have access to my full name just by calling.

I read somewhere that end user has the right to request privacy and place a hold on delivery of your CNAM.

I specifically requested that and the operator understood my request that I do not want my number blocked, but just don't want my name going out with the number and that I don't want the call to go out as "blocked call".

Well, what they did is they just enabled line blocking, which is essentially as having *69 continuously active. Instead, you have to push *82. It still delivers CNAM when I call another landline number.

Is it possible to get Qwest to NOT enable line blocking, but simply deliver caller ID w/o CNAM? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22487275 Wed, 03 Jun 2009 02:43:18 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22484460 wierdo : It's working fine for me, aside from caller ID lookups, which return "LOOKUP FAILED - TRY AGAIN LATER."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22484460 Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:18:48 EDT Re: tnID.org is back online! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22484434 josephf : Ironically, if you search a DID that someone has previously looked up (when the site was fully functional), it will return the data. (Although if it has since changed, it will not reflect any changes.)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22484434 Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:13:41 EDT Re: tnID.org is back online! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22484394 NY Tel :
said by Tremwebjunk See Profile :

Hey,
I noticed the site has been down for a bit over a week. Any attempts to the site get rerouted elsewhere. I found the site incredibly helpful, any update on what is going on?

Thanks
I just go there with no problem. Once there, every lookup fails but the web site is not down.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22484394 Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:07:16 EDT Re: tnID.org is back online! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22484252 Tremwebjunk : Hey,
I noticed the site has been down for a bit over a week. Any attempts to the site get rerouted elsewhere. I found the site incredibly helpful, any update on what is going on?

Thanks]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22484252 Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:43:47 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22477782 usa2k : True, just say updated DD/MM/YY and if the date is over 30, re-run the query.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22477782 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:13:15 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22477773 josephf :
said by burgerwars See Profile :

said by josephf See Profile :

said by John Sherman :

But the site is still useful for seeing the carriers.
Only once. Once you check a DID, the site will indefinitely continue displaying the same carrier data even if it changes (i.e. a port).
That's the big bug in this site. Maybe they don't need to update this information every time a number is looked up (it doesn't usually change that often), but I would think once it's over a certain age (like two weeks) and someone is checking again, the site should go back to the database and refresh it.
Especially the carrier information, which presumably doesn't cost them anything to lookup (unlike the CNAM info.)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22477773 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:11:52 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22477751 burgerwars :
said by josephf See Profile :

said by John Sherman :

But the site is still useful for seeing the carriers.
Only once. Once you check a DID, the site will indefinitely continue displaying the same carrier data even if it changes (i.e. a port).
That's the big bug in this site. Maybe they don't need to update this information every time a number is looked up (it doesn't usually change that often), but I would think once it's over a certain age (like two weeks) and someone is checking again, the site should go back to the database and refresh it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22477751 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:06:55 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22477034 josephf :
said by garys_2k See Profile :

said by josephf See Profile :

said by John Sherman :

But the site is still useful for seeing the carriers.
Only once. Once you check a DID, the site will indefinitely continue displaying the same carrier data even if it changes (i.e. a port).
Is that once a particular user (computer) uploads the data, it's frozen, or once they dip into the database for a particular number then any user, anywhere, will see that same frozen data?

The former can be fixed by browser or IP routing changes, the latter is a lot bigger issue and greatly reduces the value of the data.
It is the latter issue. Once it dips into its database for any particular DID, it will indefinitely continue displaying the same (later incorrect) data -- even if checked from another computer/IP address.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22477034 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:22:09 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22476973 NY Tel :
said by garys_2k See Profile :

said by josephf See Profile :

said by John Sherman :

But the site is still useful for seeing the carriers.
Only once. Once you check a DID, the site will indefinitely continue displaying the same carrier data even if it changes (i.e. a port).
Is that once a particular user (computer) uploads the data, it's frozen, or once they dip into the database for a particular number then any user, anywhere, will see that same frozen data?

The former can be fixed by browser or IP routing changes, the latter is a lot bigger issue and greatly reduces the value of the data.
It seems that once the record is accessed from various IP addresses and pc's, their polling/updating ceases.

I ported a voipo line to Verizon Wireless 3 weeks ago and when I access my number, it says: Last updated MAy 6, 2009]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22476973 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:11:51 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22476932 garys_2k :
said by josephf See Profile :

said by John Sherman :

But the site is still useful for seeing the carriers.
Only once. Once you check a DID, the site will indefinitely continue displaying the same carrier data even if it changes (i.e. a port).
Is that once a particular user (computer) uploads the data, it's frozen, or once they dip into the database for a particular number then any user, anywhere, will see that same frozen data?

The former can be fixed by browser or IP routing changes, the latter is a lot bigger issue and greatly reduces the value of the data.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22476932 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:05:36 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22475016 josephf :
said by John Sherman :

But the site is still useful for seeing the carriers.
Only once. Once you check a DID, the site will indefinitely continue displaying the same carrier data even if it changes (i.e. a port).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22475016 Sun, 31 May 2009 23:16:26 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22474956 anon :
said by mrx :

for all the numbers i checked, i couldnt get the caller id info... it kept coming back failed to display or something... is there something i am doing wrong?
No, the CID seems to be broken.

But the site is still useful for seeing the carriers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22474956 Sun, 31 May 2009 23:00:34 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22474890 anon : for all the numbers i checked, i couldnt get the caller id info... it kept coming back failed to display or something... is there something i am doing wrong? when i entered the capachas i entered as they appear with the spaces and all... let me what i am doing wrong... thank you]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22474890 Sun, 31 May 2009 22:49:16 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22474129 NY Tel :
said by FenixSucks See Profile :

TNID hasn't worked for me in weeks. Keeps responding with "Lookup failed, Try again later". It seems like it started having problems right around when it made a transition from TIRS to TNID
Yup, same here. My number has not updated since May 6th.

I sent an e-mail to the keeper of the system at the email address suggested herein and got no response.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22474129 Sun, 31 May 2009 19:54:49 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22473959 FenixSucks : TNID hasn't worked for me in weeks. Keeps responding with "Lookup failed, Try again later". It seems like it started having problems right around when it made a transition from TIRS to TNID]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22473959 Sun, 31 May 2009 19:10:35 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22403097 NY Tel :
said by josephf See Profile :

Same issue.

Once you check it, it will indefinitely display the same data (including the original date) regardless of any changes (i.e. in carrier) made since then.

A bug the tnID developer needs to address.
I emailed topgun98 See Profile and told him. Hopefully it will help him work out the glitches.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22403097 Sun, 17 May 2009 19:08:01 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22402946 josephf : Same issue.

Once you check it, it will indefinitely display the same data (including the original date) regardless of any changes (i.e. in carrier) made since then.

A bug the tnID developer needs to address.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22402946 Sun, 17 May 2009 18:18:13 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22402885 NY Tel :
said by josephf See Profile :

The site also seems to cache data. So once anyone checks a number's current carrier (or caller ID name), it will continue displaying that information on all future inquires on that same DID (even by another party.)

So if there was any subsequent change, it seemingly will not reflect it.
Yes I noticed that is was displaying the correct carrier for my number and I recently ported it to Verizon Wireless but now the record says "last updated May 6th 2009.

Why would looking at the database cause it to stop updating?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22402885 Sun, 17 May 2009 17:55:32 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22385714 josephf : The site also seems to cache data. So once anyone checks a number's current carrier (or caller ID name), it will continue displaying that information on all future inquires on that same DID (even by another party.)

So if there was any subsequent change, it seemingly will not reflect it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22385714 Wed, 13 May 2009 21:26:53 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22385697 wierdo : Handy site. The only minor issue I see is that the 'original carrier' field doesn't play well with thousands block pooling.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22385697 Wed, 13 May 2009 21:23:36 EDT Re: tnID.org is back online! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22366067 PX Eliezer : If you are dyslexic it's good you are a GI doc and not a nephrologist or an ophthalmologist.

Just one opening. Not like two kidneys or two eyes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22366067 Sun, 10 May 2009 01:50:36 EDT Re: tnID.org is back online! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22364734 NY Tel :
said by N9MD See Profile :

said by mazilo See Profile :

said by topgun98 See Profile :

..., but acronym for TIRS was too hard for people to remember, so we purchased TNID -- Telephone Number IDentification.
Honestly, I had a hard time to remember TNID, too.
Ah, but if you are lysdexic as I am ;) you could simply memorize "dint". :D
Ossifer, Ossifer, I Dint do nutin. I'm innocent. :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22364734 Sat, 09 May 2009 18:47:21 EDT Re: tnID.org is back online! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22363899 N9MD :
said by mazilo See Profile :

said by topgun98 See Profile :

..., but acronym for TIRS was too hard for people to remember, so we purchased TNID -- Telephone Number IDentification.
Honestly, I had a hard time to remember TNID, too.
Ah, but if you are lysdexic as I am ;) you could simply memorize "dint". :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22363899 Sat, 09 May 2009 14:29:32 EDT Re: tnID.org is back online! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22362797 mazilo :
said by topgun98 See Profile :

..., but acronym for TIRS was too hard for people to remember, so we purchased TNID -- Telephone Number IDentification.
Honestly, I had a hard time to remember TNID, too.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22362797 Sat, 09 May 2009 08:05:31 EDT Re: tnID.org is back online! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22362774 topgun98 : cxi,

Yes, but acronym for TIRS was too hard for people to remember, so we purchased TNID -- Telephone Number IDentification.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22362774 Sat, 09 May 2009 07:48:34 EDT Re: tnID.org is back online! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22359020 josephf : tirs.us is forwarding to the tnid.org website, and both domains have the same owner (per whois.)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22359020 Fri, 08 May 2009 12:37:48 EDT Re: tnID.org is back online! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22358935 anon : Just curious, did you run tirs.us too? What happened to that? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22358935 Fri, 08 May 2009 12:22:36 EDT Re: tnID.org is back online! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22351793 josephf : Yes]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22351793 Wed, 06 May 2009 23:31:31 EDT Re: tnID.org is back online! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22350876 NY Tel :
said by josephf See Profile :

tnID Caller*ID Request Rejected!
Caller*ID Requests are limited to 20 per day.

(Seems reasonable to me.)
Rejected by originating IP address?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22350876 Wed, 06 May 2009 20:24:14 EDT Re: tnID.org is back online! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22350029 josephf : tnID Caller*ID Request Rejected!
Caller*ID Requests are limited to 20 per day.

(Seems reasonable to me.)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22350029 Wed, 06 May 2009 17:38:47 EDT tnID.org is back online! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22349551 topgun98 : Hey folks,

Sorry about the downtime. tnID is back online with real-time Caller ID queries free of charge!

I'd like to thank everyone in this thread for the valuable feedback! Please keep it coming.

Cheers!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22349551 Wed, 06 May 2009 16:04:08 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22349528 topgun98 : voipdabbler,

Please email me at contact@tnID.org so that we can work this out. That address forwards to my personal inbox, but's it's useful for us because it copies my partners.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22349528 Wed, 06 May 2009 16:01:09 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22349482 voipdabbler : Actually, the best method is to contact multiple fronts. I'm not just contacting this site, but the carriers and the site linked on tng.org's pages (the pay service--Reverse Cell Phone Directory). If you don't contact them all, it's rather a futile exercise.

The real question is how the CallerId database has gotten into these venues in the first place. It wasn't meant to be a searchable public database.

nitzan--one word for you--parole. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22349482 Wed, 06 May 2009 15:52:51 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22348632 RockyBB :
said by josephf See Profile :

Where does tnID pull the current carrier info from?
the owner of the site posted a few times in this thread. that's a question for him to answer, if he would like to share. The industry's Overlord for number portability is NPAC.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22348632 Wed, 06 May 2009 13:36:47 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22348564 josephf :
said by RockyBB See Profile :

said by josephf See Profile :

Anyone know where this data (who the current provider is) is ultimately originating from (on a real-time basis)?
I had a new customer port in their phone number today. The tnid.org website showed the winning carrier information prior to the carrier itself alerting me that the port had completed! If it's not real time, it's real close!
Where does tnID pull the current carrier info from?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22348564 Wed, 06 May 2009 13:24:42 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22348554 RockyBB :
said by josephf See Profile :

Anyone know where this data (who the current provider is) is ultimately originating from (on a real-time basis)?
I had a new customer port in their phone number today. The tnid.org website showed the winning carrier information prior to the carrier itself alerting me that the port had completed! If it's not real time, it's real close!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22348554 Wed, 06 May 2009 13:22:57 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22347775 josephf :
said by josephf See Profile :

But there appears to be no alternative to tnid.org to obtain a Telephone Number Owner's Current provider?
I have a hack of a script that pulls it from a website, but that's not what that site is intended for:

# carrier.sh 13053248811
carrier=Paetec Communications, Inc.
Which site is it pulling it from? In any event, it appears that there are no sites that you can manually check who the current provider for a particular number is (that this is the designed function for), other than tnID.org.

Anyone know where this data (who the current provider is) is ultimately originating from (on a real-time basis)?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22347775 Wed, 06 May 2009 10:46:46 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22346704 joako :
said by NY Tel See Profile :

said by joako See Profile :

Not if you pay for the service.
lol - who wants to do that on a casual basis? :)
If you have an Asterisk server, even though the queries are expensive, it is cheaper than paying your carrier per call because you can cache the lookups or lookup in google first and only query them if google has no match.

said by josephf See Profile :

But there appears to be no alternative to tnid.org to obtain a Telephone Number Owner's Current provider?
I have a hack of a script that pulls it from a website, but that's not what that site is intended for:

# carrier.sh 13053248811
carrier=Paetec Communications, Inc.
--
PRescott7-2097]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22346704 Wed, 06 May 2009 04:08:34 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22346539 topgun98 :
said by Fisamo See Profile :

Keep in mind that while the LIDB is a dynamic creature, it's not an instantaneous change. If you make a change with your provider, it could take weeks before the change is picked up. I'm not sure why the changes take so long; perhaps someone on the inside can share their wisdom... (The best I can describe is that there is no one universal LIDB, and, similar to DNS propagation, the LIDBs sync with one another in some fashion.)
Actually, our site should reflect the changes almost immediately once the carrier updates the information (which can take time). We're actually querying the LIDB database of the carrier that owns the number -- we're not using an aggregated alternative database that could contain out of date information.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22346539 Wed, 06 May 2009 02:02:59 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22346537 topgun98 :
said by Fisamo See Profile :

Out of curiosity, if someone "deletes file" and then gives up that number, is there a mechanism to re-add it to the database at a later time? Is there anything to stop someone else from deleting "my" numbers? Please don't take this as a complaint, just food for thought.
No, currently if someone deletes a number, it's gone forever. We're working on a more advanced solution.

said by Fisamo See Profile :

Your site is welcome, IMO--it provides a great resource for those going through porting hell (and those contemplating it :D ).
I'm very pleased to hear that you and others have found it useful!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22346537 Wed, 06 May 2009 02:00:21 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22346479 soitgoes2 :
said by voipdabbler See Profile :

Delete doesn't work--I tired and it consistently said 3 records had already been deleted by users from my ISP's IP range. I was wondering what was the best way to contact you to request removal....I am cautious about keeping my information unpublished and am none too happy to see callerid listed for a cell phone and VOIP number in your database, when I never approved this information being published.) So, what's the best way to reach you?
Well, the site doesn't display any CNAM info right now (down for a few days apparently), so maybe the removal feature also isn't working.

However, I would suggest that you are approaching this the wrong way. This site is ONE of MANY that have LIDB access (most of them charge, however). You would be much better off going to your telephone provider to have your name removed from the LIDB so that NO ONE has access to it by such means.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22346479 Wed, 06 May 2009 01:29:31 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22346438 nitzan : Guys, before we lynch this guy - keep in mind that he's just the messenger. There's millions of people with access to this information, and buying it is not at all hard. All this site does is makes the data easily accessible - but it's most definitely not the cause of this data being out there.

The real problem is carriers and/or their employees selling this data to 3rd parties. There is absolutely no way you can be completely anonymous unless either 1. You get the phone number in someone else's name, or 2. You get a VoIP provider and request the number specifically be anonymous. (yes- this is possible - the provider could just order the number in their name)

AFAIK most VoIP providers will not sell your data to 3rd parties. I wouldn't put it past the larger ones, but you're safe with smaller ones.

As with anything else in life- just because someone (phone co) says you're unlisted or anonymous doesn't mean you are. There's still going to be millions of people with access to this data and it WILL be passed along to spammers/crooks/etc. The ONLY way you can truly be "unlisted" is by getting your number anonymously to begin with.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22346438 Wed, 06 May 2009 01:06:27 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22346404 nitzan :
said by voipdabbler See Profile :

Lucky me got 2 death threats within a year from people convicted of murder--one of whom is getting released from prison soon.
Is it just me, or.... why the hell is a convicted murderer getting released?!?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22346404 Wed, 06 May 2009 00:52:58 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22346377 PX Eliezer : The site's email contact address is:

contact@tnID.org

Also see:

Registration info:
»whois.domaintools.com/tnid.org

Registration info for the former site:
»whois.domaintools.com/tirs.us]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22346377 Wed, 06 May 2009 00:39:10 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22346334 voipdabbler : topgun98,

Delete doesn't work--I tired and it consistently said 3 records had already been deleted by users from my ISP's IP range. I was wondering what was the best way to contact you to request removal. I'm one of the category of folk who are law enforcement/officers of the court who've successfully gotten records removed from Zabrasearch and other search groups. (Lucky me got 2 death threats within a year from people convicted of murder--one of whom is getting released from prison soon. I am cautious about keeping my information unpublished and am none too happy to see callerid listed for a cell phone and VOIP number in your database, when I never approved this information being published.) So, what's the best way to reach you?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22346334 Wed, 06 May 2009 00:23:37 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22346282 josephf : But there appears to be no alternative to tnid.org to obtain a Telephone Number Owner's Current provider?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22346282 Wed, 06 May 2009 00:11:14 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22346253 NY Tel :
said by joako See Profile :

Not if you pay for the service.
lol - who wants to do that on a casual basis? :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22346253 Wed, 06 May 2009 00:03:44 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22346155 joako : Not if you pay for the service.
--
PRescott7-2097]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22346155 Tue, 05 May 2009 23:40:44 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22346063 NY Tel :
said by joako See Profile :

said by Fisamo See Profile :

Perhaps heavy traffic with the sudden spike in activity? I had several lookups work quite well a few hours ago. I haven't tried again recently.

Rocky--do you know of any plan to offer an automated CNAM portal (likely it would be on a paid basis)?
I'm not Rocky, but you can try »www.cnam.info/
Problem with the CNAM site is they go through this period of weeks where it returns no results and says:
Sorry, too many inquiries, try again later.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22346063 Tue, 05 May 2009 23:21:02 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22345983 Fisamo : Thanks for the tip--I knew about them, but I also think competition is a good thing. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22345983 Tue, 05 May 2009 23:06:26 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22345579 joako :
said by Fisamo See Profile :

Perhaps heavy traffic with the sudden spike in activity? I had several lookups work quite well a few hours ago. I haven't tried again recently.

Rocky--do you know of any plan to offer an automated CNAM portal (likely it would be on a paid basis)?
I'm not Rocky, but you can try »www.cnam.info/
--
PRescott7-2097]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22345579 Tue, 05 May 2009 21:54:41 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22345019 anon :
said by topgun98 See Profile :

Hi, folks. I am the proprietor of tnID.org.
Hi. Thank you for your site.

I just have one small suggestion: when you click an exchange, you get a full list of 10,000 numbers to choose from. Perhaps you could have an intermediate search page that reduces the final list down to 100 or 1000 numbers, by breaking them down by
(aaa) npa-0xxx
(aaa) npa-1xxx, etc

or
(aaa) npa-00xx
(aaa) npa-01xx, etc

Just a thought.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22345019 Tue, 05 May 2009 20:10:03 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22341743 CommSoft8086 :
said by topgun98 See Profile :

Regarding the opt-out feature, there's one on every page!

Just click "Delete File", and your Caller ID data will be banned from the site forever. You may want to call your telephone company, though, as they're the ones who are ultimately releasing the data to any carrier who requests it.
The "Delete File" appears to delete the number in its entirety -- not just the CNAM data. What's the value of deleting the entire record? I can understand someone's desire to block the CNAM data, but deleting the entire record, with no means of restoring it, seems a little excessive.

Also, it seems that you've changed/enhanced your CNAM database recently. It would be nice to delete the CNAM data and refresh it with you new source. I did a lookup a month or so ago, and you returned data from the "Public Sources" database -- which is/was less than correct. It would be nice to be able to refresh the query from the SS7 database on demand -- particularly as the data changes over time...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22341743 Tue, 05 May 2009 10:24:11 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22341555 usa2k : I understand that, but once the CNAM link is clicked, the link is removed and it is merely a test field. You can only click it once.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22341555 Tue, 05 May 2009 09:39:56 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22341454 Fisamo : Keep in mind that while the LIDB is a dynamic creature, it's not an instantaneous change. If you make a change with your provider, it could take weeks before the change is picked up. I'm not sure why the changes take so long; perhaps someone on the inside can share their wisdom... (The best I can describe is that there is no one universal LIDB, and, similar to DNS propagation, the LIDBs sync with one another in some fashion.)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22341454 Tue, 05 May 2009 09:16:27 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22341139 usa2k : Once you do a dip in the LIDB, it continues to show that text.
Having tried a new feature on VOIPo, there is no way to see this change.

[att=1]

What if you drop a number and someone else has it later?
If they find your site, it will be old data?
Perhaps it just keeps from doing a new dip for a certain time period?
No chance you are collecting names and numbers for some reason?
--

Jim, VoIP since 12/2002, VOIPo 2/7/2007
FAH-Tool ... Whales ... VOIPo Forum ... VOIPo Review
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22341139 Tue, 05 May 2009 07:22:11 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22341061 Fisamo :
said by topgun98 See Profile :

Regarding the opt-out feature, there's one on every page!

Just click "Delete File", and your Caller ID data will be banned from the site forever. You may want to call your telephone company, though, as they're the ones who are ultimately releasing the data to any carrier who requests it.
Out of curiosity, if someone "deletes file" and then gives up that number, is there a mechanism to re-add it to the database at a later time? Is there anything to stop someone else from deleting "my" numbers? Please don't take this as a complaint, just food for thought.

Your site is welcome, IMO--it provides a great resource for those going through porting hell (and those contemplating it :D ).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22341061 Tue, 05 May 2009 06:22:37 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22341056 Fisamo :
said by Mr Privacy :

The point is that MOST independent VoIP providers (that is, those not affiliated with a cable company) do not give you a number that is listed in the directory or with directory assistance - and that's a GOOD thing, in my opinion - but they do send your name as part of Caller ID, and there's no mechanism to get them to change that.
I see that on most points, we'll have to agree to disagree, and I'm fine with that. On this one above, though, I need to point out a few things...

VoIP providers putting your name into the LIDB is not as common as you'd think. AFAIK, Vonage, VoicePulse, and a others still do not offer this option. Also, if a provider can put your name in, they can take it out. FWIW, CallVantage has allowed you to remove your name from the db for years (even though they're closing up shop). ViaTalk allows you "change" your outbound CID Name by submitting a trouble ticket. (One would think that they use discretion as to which requests they'll honor, but I'm sure "Private Number" would always be honored.)

I don't know which VoIP provider you use, but if they've put your name into the LIDB and you don't want it there, you need to ask them to remove it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22341056 Tue, 05 May 2009 06:20:07 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22340900 topgun98 : Regarding the opt-out feature, there's one on every page!

Just click "Delete File", and your Caller ID data will be banned from the site forever. You may want to call your telephone company, though, as they're the ones who are ultimately releasing the data to any carrier who requests it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22340900 Tue, 05 May 2009 03:40:47 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22340892 topgun98 : Hi, folks. I am the proprietor of tnID.org.

First of all, thank you for your interest in the site.

Unfortunately, the Caller ID lookup mechanism is undergoing some changes and will probably not be back up and running with free Caller ID lookups for a few days. I apologize for the inconvenience.

If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me at contact@tnID.org.

Cheers!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22340892 Tue, 05 May 2009 03:35:36 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22340849 anon :
Out of curiosity, do you have a POTS line? Is your POTS number unlisted? If you call another POTS customer, does it show your name with your number, or does it show "Private Number"? Which would you want it to show, your name or "private number"?


I haven't had a POTS line in years, but if I DID have one I would prefer my real name be shown, as long as it wasn't available to anyone that could just type the number in on a web site! Anyway, what the POTS company does is now irrelevant to me. The point is that MOST independent VoIP providers (that is, those not affiliated with a cable company) do not give you a number that is listed in the directory or with directory assistance - and that's a GOOD thing, in my opinion - but they do send your name as part of Caller ID, and there's no mechanism to get them to change that.

I have Googled several VoIP numbers I know of and none of them show the name (at least not for free - I'm not about to pay any of those services that Google brings up to see what they think they have).

As for local governments putting too much personal information online, I think a lot of local agencies are starting to see the error of their ways. It usually happens when some "prominent citizen" finds that his privacy is being trashed by the county/city/township and makes a stink about it. Local governments have to be responsive to local citizens, and if enough locals decide that too much information is online, it can be made to disappear. That's not to say it's no longer a problem; apparently some local government agencies are still thick as a brick. But then again, I don't know of any local government site that lets you type in an unlisted phone number and get back information on the person associated with that number. Also remember that people can opt out of giving a phone number to a government agency just by leaving that space blank on forms, etc. - most agencies don't question it; those that do will usually let it go if you say the number is unlisted. But, the phone companies have your name and number, and if they are a POTS company they hold your privacy hostage unless you pay them "hush money" every month (one good reason not to do business with a POTS company).

I still strongly suspect that the site under discussion here goes beyond the bounds of legality (but note that I Am Not a Lawyer) because they are misusing data that was never intended to be used in this way. Let me put it this way, if someone could type in random Social Security numbers on some site and get back the names associated with them, don't you think people would rightfully be upset? Bad guys can in some cases do damage with just a name and phone number. And don't say, yes, but such sites already exist - first of all, if they do they aren't free, so the barrier to just mining information is much higher, and second, just because there may be 100 other people on the road speeding doesn't mean you will be immune from getting a ticket if you are number 101 to go past the cop with the radar gun. It's just my opinion that's somebody's going to get the pants sued off them (or maybe they will be heavily fined by the FCC or some other federal agency) for providing this sort of information improperly, particularly if the site is used to inflict personal injury (physical or emotional damage) or leads to loss of life or property.

If this site had any concerns for people's privacy, they'd at least provide some type of opt-out method, and since they don't it's obvious they don't give a flying fig about who they hurt. No matter how much lipstick you put on this pig, it's still a pig in my point of view - they are doing something they really should not be doing. They are like the creepy guy in the high-rise apartment that uses a telescope to peep into the neighbors' apartments - just because they may be able to get away with it for some period of time, and just because there may be other creepy guys that do it too, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22340849 Tue, 05 May 2009 02:55:50 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22340685 Bryan001 :
said by Mr Privacy :

I don't know if you're deliberately being provocative or just don't get it, but the point is that it's a very different thing to allow someone to get your name when YOU are calling THEM, as opposed to allowing any ne'er-do-well with a computer to type a number that they think might be yours and get confirmation of that fact, or for some other reason to get a name when they only have a number.

All I have to say is, this site had better make sure they are operating very solidly within the boundaries of the law AND of any agreements they may have with whomever they are getting this information from. All it's going to take is for some disgruntled associate/ex-spouse/significant other to use this service to confirm which of several possible numbers belongs to the person they want to locate/harass/kill and my bet would be that there is going to be a major lawsuit (I hope that never happens, but at least I'm not naive enough to think a service like this will never be used for nefarious purposes). This is data that was not intended to be supplied to all comers in this manner, and I certainly wouldn't want to be the person or persons behind this site when someone misuses it with tragic results.

I don't mean to scare you, but you should try putting a listed number into google sometime, the results may surprise you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22340685 Tue, 05 May 2009 01:26:17 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22340412 NY Tel : Reminds me of the days when the Bell System had a CNA Bureau.
You dialed an "official" phone number and you asked them for the name associated with the phone number.
A live operator read the name and address to you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22340412 Mon, 04 May 2009 23:57:44 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22339638 PX Eliezer :
said by Fisamo See Profile :

There are easier ways (generally paid services) to find people if you're disgruntled with someone and want to find them than a service like this.
This is very true.

In many counties of the USA, the county clerks have made online searchable databases where you can look up someone's name and find the house that they own.

And services such as:

»www.zabasearch.com/

»www.people-finders.ws/default.asp

»spmorse.s467.sureserver.com/birt···ay2.html

and MANY others----

mean that it's pretty easy to find someone.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22339638 Mon, 04 May 2009 21:00:00 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22339592 Fisamo : Out of curiosity, do you have a POTS line? Is your POTS number unlisted? If you call another POTS customer, does it show your name with your number, or does it show "Private Number"? Which would you want it to show, your name or "private number"?

I'm not asking to be argumentative, but to suggest that you consider calling your provider (especially if a POTS line--after all, they determined the gold standard by being the only game in town for quite some time), and talk to a customer service rep. Ask them what happens if you OPT OUT of directory listing by purchasing an unlisted number--does a person receiving a call from you see your number AND name, or number and "Private Caller"? I would think that a POTS company would NOT put your name in the LIDB (that shows up on CID display boxes) when you pay for an unlisted number, but just because it makes sense doesn't make it reality. :) Keep in mind that with a POTS line, your name is LISTED by default, and you have to OPT OUT of directory listing (by paying extra, even).

Think about it... If someone wanted to 'mine' this data, all they'd have to do is create a 'reverse robodialer' using a VoIP provider that allows callers with PBX systems to set their own CID number, always calling the same (POTS?) line that has CNAM service. Of course, at 10,000 numbers per exchange, it would take quite a while to get even a small fraction of the number-name pairs...

Don't get me wrong--you're welcome to your opinion, and do feel free to post it. IMO, you are overly concerned. There are easier ways (generally paid services) to find people if you're disgruntled with someone and want to find them than a service like this.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22339592 Mon, 04 May 2009 20:51:01 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22339001 Cheese :
said by RockyBB See Profile :

said by Cheese See Profile :

said by RockyBB See Profile :

Methinks that "cheese" obtained his phone number from AT&T Call Vantage!
I use CDV :) Although, the number did originate from Packet8 :)
further evidence that RockyBB doesn't have all the answers! :D
:D :D :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22339001 Mon, 04 May 2009 18:43:49 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22338785 RockyBB :
said by Cheese See Profile :

said by RockyBB See Profile :

Methinks that "cheese" obtained his phone number from AT&T Call Vantage!
I use CDV :) Although, the number did originate from Packet8 :)
further evidence that RockyBB doesn't have all the [right] answers! :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22338785 Mon, 04 May 2009 17:59:43 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22338728 Cheese :
said by RockyBB See Profile :

said by friedman See Profile :

I've seen references to TCG a few times before on this forum.
Methinks that "cheese" obtained his phone number from AT&T Call Vantage!
I use CDV :) Although, the number did originate from Packet8 :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22338728 Mon, 04 May 2009 17:46:59 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22338579 PX Eliezer : TCG = Teleport Communications Group?

Are you sure it's not Tin Can Group? ;)

No, actually TCG has an interesting history and there were a lot of good folks there. You may want to read this:

»www.networkworld.com/news/0112tcg.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22338579 Mon, 04 May 2009 17:15:14 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22338509 RockyBB :
said by friedman See Profile :

I've seen references to TCG a few times before on this forum.
Methinks that "cheese" obtained his phone number from AT&T Call Vantage!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22338509 Mon, 04 May 2009 17:01:24 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22338484 friedman : "* Original Telephone Company Name: [ TCG SOUTH FLORIDA ]"

BTW, "TCG" is Teleport Communications Group, a CLEC based in Staten Island, NY that AT&T purchased in the late 1990's when it was moving into the local phone business. (This was the old AT&T, the IXC, that was at the time only selling long-distance service.) So any reference to TCG essentially means AT&T.

I've seen references to TCG a few times before on this forum.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22338484 Mon, 04 May 2009 16:56:22 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22338458 meister_sd : Both my lookups said there was an error on CallerID too. But I wonder if the site isn't making a type of call and "looking" at the CallerID stream instead of actually having a database to check??

A couple years ago, I called FedEX on an issue and while talking with the operator, she said she could even see my extension I was calling from at work - and verified it! That was a little scary.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22338458 Mon, 04 May 2009 16:52:33 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22338391 Cheese : * Original Telephone Company Name: [ TCG SOUTH FLORIDA ]
* Original Telephone Company Type: Competitive Local Exchange Carrier (CLEC)

* Telephone Number Owner's Current provider: [ COMCAST ]
* Telephone Number Owner's Caller*ID Lookup: [ Display Caller*ID ]

Who the hell is TCG

After googling, it appears to be associated with BellSouth....Hmmm]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22338391 Mon, 04 May 2009 16:41:32 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22338268 friedman :
said by PX Eliezer See Profile :

said by friedman See Profile :

What more information can be obtained on telcodata.us and localcallingguide.com? What is the url on those sites?
???

Those ARE the url's.

Plug those into any modern browser and off you go.
I meant a direct url to the aforementioned databases. :-)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22338268 Mon, 04 May 2009 16:21:55 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22338262 druber : I'm apparently missing something. What this site does that is new/unusual is telling you who the original and current carriers are, nothing more. The CID lookup uses (I'm assuming) capabilities provided by other sites for years now (like reversephonedirectory.com).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22338262 Mon, 04 May 2009 16:21:32 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22338226 anon :
If you don't want your name to be out there, you CAN opt out by requesting that the telephone company not put your name into the database.


I don't know if you're deliberately being provocative or just don't get it, but the point is that it's a very different thing to allow someone to get your name when YOU are calling THEM, as opposed to allowing any ne'er-do-well with a computer to type a number that they think might be yours and get confirmation of that fact, or for some other reason to get a name when they only have a number.

All I have to say is, this site had better make sure they are operating very solidly within the boundaries of the law AND of any agreements they may have with whomever they are getting this information from. All it's going to take is for some disgruntled associate/ex-spouse/significant other to use this service to confirm which of several possible numbers belongs to the person they want to locate/harass/kill and my bet would be that there is going to be a major lawsuit (I hope that never happens, but at least I'm not naive enough to think a service like this will never be used for nefarious purposes). This is data that was not intended to be supplied to all comers in this manner, and I certainly wouldn't want to be the person or persons behind this site when someone misuses it with tragic results.

I wonder how police officers and judges (not to mention a few other categories of prominent people) would react if they found out about this service? Again, you can't assume that because someone allows their name to be displayed when they place an outgoing call means they are okay with someone being able to plug in a number and get their name.

Again, just my opinion.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22338226 Mon, 04 May 2009 16:15:44 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22338186 RockyBB :
said by Fisamo See Profile :

Rocky--do you know of any plan to offer an automated CNAM portal (likely it would be on a paid basis)?
CNAM lookups cost money (fractions of a cent) for each one. methinks that the proprietor of this website is probably eating the cost, hoping that he'll convert some percentage of users to take advantage of the for-pay offer of detailed information. any qualified carrier can pay VeriSign or Verizon or any other DB-provider for access to the LIDB listings. I have no idea if there would any restriction relative to general public availability. For entertainment only, do not call: »www22.verizon.com/wholesale/solu···idb.html and »www.verisign.com/products-servic···es/lidb/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22338186 Mon, 04 May 2009 16:09:02 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22338105 PX Eliezer :
said by friedman See Profile :

What more information can be obtained on telcodata.us and localcallingguide.com? What is the url on those sites?
???

Those ARE the url's.

Plug those into any modern browser and off you go.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22338105 Mon, 04 May 2009 15:54:03 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22338079 PX Eliezer : My experience with looking up many numbers on this site is that the names do not show up for cellphone customers, nor for "unlisted" customers.

-----------------------------------

One other quirk of the site relates to geolocation.

For example, (732) 518-xxxx is a South River, NJ exchange. Yet this website identifies it as Newark, NJ (which is NOT nearby), because the "switch" is in Newark.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22338079 Mon, 04 May 2009 15:49:28 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22338063 Fisamo : Perhaps heavy traffic with the sudden spike in activity? I had several lookups work quite well a few hours ago. I haven't tried again recently.

Rocky--do you know of any plan to offer an automated CNAM portal (likely it would be on a paid basis)?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22338063 Mon, 04 May 2009 15:47:45 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22338052 Fisamo :
said by RockyBB See Profile :

said by friedman See Profile :

Do they charge for this data, or is it on their public website? BTW when you refer to a "free calling area" are you alluding to a LATA? You mentioned you are in the industry; are you a VOIP provider?
The pages I cited are no charge. "Free calling area" is a subset of a LATA ... there can be toll or long distance charges for calls within a LATA that are outside a free call area ... thus the value of the info in www.localcallingguide.com! I am not a VOIP provider, but act as an independent agent. but I play one on TV.
Fixed it for ya. :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22338052 Mon, 04 May 2009 15:45:55 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22338021 RockyBB :
said by friedman See Profile :

Do they charge for this data, or is it on their public website? BTW when you refer to a "free calling area" are you alluding to a LATA? You mentioned you are in the industry; are you a VOIP provider?
The pages I cited are no charge. "Free calling area" is a subset of a LATA ... there can be toll or long distance charges for calls within a LATA that are outside a free call area ... thus the value of the info in www.localcallingguide.com! I am not a VOIP provider, but act as an independent agent.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22338021 Mon, 04 May 2009 15:39:42 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22338005 friedman :
said by burgerwars See Profile :

said by Fisamo See Profile :

This site is very useful for the numerous porting discussions that go on in this forum. Thanks, Rocky!

(Beats attempting the 'back door' method via Sprint/Nextel, even if they had not closed it.) :)
Yep. It works for that. But the caller ID part has been failing on me. All I get are [ LOOKUP FAILED - TRY AGAIN LATER ] messages.
I was successful for 2 or 3 Caller ID lookups, after which I too got the "LOOKUP FAILED - TRY AGAIN LATER" message.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22338005 Mon, 04 May 2009 15:36:17 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337991 friedman :
said by RockyBB See Profile :

said by friedman See Profile :

What more information can be obtained on telcodata.us and localcallingguide.com? What is the url on those sites, where this data can be looked up? And is it available at no cost?
»www.telcodata.us provides rate center info, including all carriers serving a specific rate center. This can help identify CLECs to which a phone number could be ported to. »www.localcallingguide.com has info which can identify "free calling" areas (or non-long distance areas), which is helpful when a user is in a rate center with no VOIP CLECs but are within a free call area of another rate center which does have VOIP CLECs.
Rockey, Do they charge for this data, or is it on their public website? BTW when you refer to a "free calling area" are you alluding to a LATA? You mentioned you are in the industry; are you a VOIP provider?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337991 Mon, 04 May 2009 15:34:10 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337981 burgerwars :
said by Fisamo See Profile :

This site is very useful for the numerous porting discussions that go on in this forum. Thanks, Rocky!

(Beats attempting the 'back door' method via Sprint/Nextel, even if they had not closed it.) :)
Yep. It works for that. But the caller ID part has been failing on me. All I get are [ LOOKUP FAILED - TRY AGAIN LATER ] messages.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337981 Mon, 04 May 2009 15:32:05 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337917 RockyBB :
said by friedman See Profile :

What more information can be obtained on telcodata.us and localcallingguide.com? What is the url on those sites, where this data can be looked up? And is it available at no cost?
»www.telcodata.us provides rate center info, including all carriers serving a specific rate center. This can help identify CLECs to which a phone number could be ported to. »www.localcallingguide.com has info which can identify "free calling" areas (or non-long distance areas), which is helpful when a user is in a rate center with no VOIP CLECs but are within a free call area of another rate center which does have VOIP CLECs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337917 Mon, 04 May 2009 15:15:58 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337895 RockyBB :
said by Mr Privacy :

Well, that's a sample size of one.
Were you in my stats class? Yah, sample size of one doesn't prove anything. That's why I asked if you had anecdotal evidence to the contrary.

Relative to cell phones, all my immediate family has Sprint, and we made the conscious effort to get our names on outgoing caller ID. tnid.org has the caller ID for those phones. a not-immediate family member also has Sprint, and he has not asked for outgoing caller ID name and his name is not displayed.

so I would submit that this dude really is hooked to a hot LIDB database! which, if you think about it, really isn't "listing" ... it's reverse listing. In telephony, when we think of listing it's "tell me the number if I know the name." Usually this is what is supposed to be kept private to avoid collection calls, psycho ex-girlfriends, etc. Unlisted is to prevent revealing the phone number.

Reverse lookups of this type, I don't think have ever been addressed by any rulemaking. As with a lot of things relative to the new technologies, rule making will have to follow capabilities when they cannot be anticipated.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337895 Mon, 04 May 2009 15:11:19 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337860 Fisamo : The question is where the "name" info comes from, and I don't think you quite understand. The name comes from the database used by the telcos to provide CallerID-with-name service (not the directory listings or customer account name records). I put in a few numbers I'm familiar with, and they came up exactly as expected. For example, my Verizon wireless mobile number showed city, state (as it does on landlines) with no indication of my name; other numbers showed up with my name as I've specified with the respective providers.

If you don't want your name to be out there, you CAN opt out by requesting that the telephone company not put your name into the database.

Note that some cell companies do populate the CID Name database--Sprint and Alltel come to mind. (Not sure how the Alltel practice will continue in light of the Verizon acquisition...)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337860 Mon, 04 May 2009 15:04:49 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337839 friedman :
said by RockyBB See Profile :

I ran into it when the public face was »www.tirs.us This website doesn't answer all the questions for those of us in the industry, so we still need telcodata.us and localcallingguide.com.
What more information can be obtained on telcodata.us and localcallingguide.com? What is the url on those sites, where this data can be looked up? And is it available at no cost?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337839 Mon, 04 May 2009 15:01:28 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337807 anon :
I can only think of a single "unlisted" phone number in my circle of friends, and there is no caller ID name available for that number. Have you found anything different?


Well, that's a sample size of one. Since I don't specifically know of anyone who might be paying the phone company for an unlisted number I can't directly address that point. However, I can tell you that there is a VoIP company (one of the providers we discuss in this forum, usually in a favorable light) that by default does not provide listings for any of its customers - that is, if you call Directory Assistance for one of their customers you'll get nowhere (unless some specific special arrangements can be made). However, I put in numbers from some of their number blocks and it was returning customer names. Since no VoIP provider that I know of (other than perhaps the ones associated with cable companies, that actually try to pass themselves off as real telcos for regulatory purposes) actually charges extra for an unlisted number, you can assume that the expectation of at least some of their customers is that their name will not be linked to their number in any public database.

Then too, there is the matter of cell phone customers - again, my impression always was that they are always "unlisted" by default (if that's not the case for some particular company it's still applicable for others) and again there is the question of whether their name should be revealed. I can't tell if the site is doing that because everyone I know with a cell phone has Verizon Wireless and it was returning LOOKUP FAILED - TRY AGAIN LATER for those numbers today (maybe Verizon's already on to this outfit, and is blocking them?).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337807 Mon, 04 May 2009 14:54:56 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337777 RockyBB :
said by friedman See Profile :

The domain name TNID.ORG was only registered on 24-Apr-2009 (10 days ago.) I checked this in the WHOIS. This appears to be a brand new site. How did you find this service?
I ran into it when the public face was »www.tirs.us This website doesn't answer all the questions for those of us in the industry, so we still need telcodata.us and localcallingguide.com.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337777 Mon, 04 May 2009 14:48:51 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337723 friedman : Rocky, Great site.

Several interesting observations.

1. The "Original Telephone Company" is the same info you can find on several other sites identifying the owner of an NPA-NXX.

2. The "Telephone Number Owner's Current provider" is very useful, and indeed is correctly displaying the CURRENT underlying provider for the numbers I tested. This info (AFAIK) is not available on the web anywhere else. (Certainly not for free.)

3. The "Telephone Number Owner's Caller*ID" is also displaying the correct info for all the numbers I tested. And this info, as well, (AFAIK) is not available on the web anywhere else. (Certainly not for free.) One issue I had, is after checking about 3 Caller ID's, all further attempts (on other numbers) displayed "LOOKUP FAILED - TRY AGAIN LATER." Perhaps they are limiting usage of this feature.

4. The domain name TNID.ORG was only registered on 24-Apr-2009 (10 days ago.) I checked this in the WHOIS. This appears to be a brand new site. How did you find this service?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337723 Mon, 04 May 2009 14:36:30 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337714 druber : Neat, I ported my VZ landline number to voipo last year, and the lookup for me shows the original carrier as verizon and the current one as level3, so that seems correct.

I just checked my cell number, originally ported from at&t wireless to verizon wireless and now t-mobile. original is showing as cingular (correct due to the acquisition/merger some years back?) and current is t-mobile.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337714 Mon, 04 May 2009 14:33:42 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337629 montano : My number shows 'Cost Plus Communications, LLC'. That's a name I am not familiar with. I assumed Level3 had my number now :)

That is a neat site though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337629 Mon, 04 May 2009 14:14:41 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337606 RockyBB :
said by Mr Privacy :

Those who pay for an unlisted number (or, perhaps, choose a VoIP carrier that does not provide listed numbers) may not WANT anyone to be able to type in their number and see what name is associated with it.
I can only think of a single "unlisted" phone number in my circle of friends, and there is no caller ID name available for that number. Have you found anything different?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337606 Mon, 04 May 2009 14:08:44 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337562 usa2k : Very cool!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337562 Mon, 04 May 2009 14:00:58 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337552 anon : telcodata.us only charges for bulk downloads, the website is as free as it always was.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337552 Mon, 04 May 2009 13:59:27 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337539 anon : You're still missing my point. Those who pay for an unlisted number (or, perhaps, choose a VoIP carrier that does not provide listed numbers) may not WANT anyone to be able to type in their number and see what name is associated with it. It's one thing if you call someone - then you know that unless you take specific steps to block Caller ID they are likely to get your name and number. Here, if they even suspect they have your correct number, they can put it in this thing and verify that it comes up with your name - something you may not want just anyone to be able to do.

I'd be more supportive of this site if it had an opt-out feature, so those who don't want any information displayed on their number could have it blocked.

Finally, I wonder if the public display of this information may violate any contracts this outfit may have with their providers. I wonder how Verizon might feel (just to use an example) if some could type in the number of a Verizon cell phone or landline subscriber and find out who the number belongs to - in the case of a landline customer, particularly if they are paying for unlisted service.

If we could somehow guarantee that everyone who used this service was looking up their own number(s), that would be one thing. But this gives just anyone who is nosey a key to the database. The fact that criminals may have access to this information already doesn't mean we should just give up and throw everyone else's privacy to the four winds!

Just my 2 cents worth...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337539 Mon, 04 May 2009 13:57:36 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337487 Fisamo : This site is very useful for the numerous porting discussions that go on in this forum. Thanks, Rocky!

(Beats attempting the 'back door' method via Sprint/Nextel, even if they had not closed it.) :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337487 Mon, 04 May 2009 13:47:53 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337442 nitzan : I agree. It's much easier for them to buy the databases than to hire a third-world worker who can't read English to do the captchas and copy-paste. Even if they were crazy-fast, what's the max they could do? 6 numbers a minute?

That's 360 numbers an hour assuming they take no breaks at all. There are literally millions of phone numbers. It'll take them years to rebuild any sort of useful database out of this - and the site owner is likely to figure out what's going on and ban their IP addresses long before they'll get any significant amount of data.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337442 Mon, 04 May 2009 13:39:01 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337398 RockyBB :
said by Mr Privacy :

We don't?
No we don't. I'm for privacy as much as the next guy ... but whatever databases this site uses are just as available for crooks as for legitimate users. Crooks already know where to look. The one-at-a-time characteristics of lookups on this site, and the lack of any download capability, would keep the crooks using their current tools.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337398 Mon, 04 May 2009 13:29:30 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337300 anon :
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE in the process of making a pest of yourself, do not reveal the site name to any carrier you are complaining to. We don't want the owner of the site to be bombarded with requests or demands to shut it down.


We don't? While this can be a useful site for looking up info on your own numbers, my fear is that it will be misused by others who wish to see what name is associated with a particular Caller ID. Granted you have to enter a captcha first, so it's not like the scam artists can do significant damage at fist, but still, I could imagine some phone scammer getting the bright idea to hire people in some third-world country to just go through this thing, fill in the captchas and associate names with numbers for say 50 cents an hour, making a lovely telco-provided list of names and numbers INCLUDING UNLISTED ONES that could possibly be used for mischief of various types.

As useful as it is, I'm just not sure this info should be available to anyone with a web browser. It's one thing to have a Caller ID name sent when you call someone, quite another for anyone in the world to just be able to look up the name associated with a number with just a few keystrokes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337300 Mon, 04 May 2009 13:08:14 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337201 voipdabbler : Truthfully, this is why technology--especially databases-- really isn't our friend. Now I see how telemarketers are finding data to spam us via cell phones. This database has cellphone numbers and cell phone information. I don't particularly like this data being out there. Given that, unlike land lines, you're charged for incoming cellular calls, I think the default rule on publishing cell phone info should be that it's banned unless the cell phone owner consents to his/her number being published.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337201 Mon, 04 May 2009 12:51:19 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337095 RockyBB : name changes in industry databases tend to be the responsibility of the provider, not the owner of the database. It wouldn't surprise me at all if there were results that said "General Telephone" instead of Verizon, or Comtel or United or Sprint instead of Embarq or the new owner CenturyTel.

As I implied earlier, there is nothing substantive that an individual can do with this info.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337095 Mon, 04 May 2009 12:32:03 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337053 garys_2k : I don't think the database is kept up to date wrt corporate name changes. Likely a good thing, as that would be more than a full time job. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337053 Mon, 04 May 2009 12:21:09 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337029 benc : Hmm...

Interesting website. But it seems that some of the data might be out of date. Not a big deal, if you know a little bit of history.

Example:

I tried looking up my POTS number, just to see what it would say. It came up as Ameritech, a company that no longer exists under that name. But the history of it was this: Ameritech --> SBC --> AT&T

So, it's correct but it's incorrect at the same time. It was accurate though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337029 Mon, 04 May 2009 12:15:30 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337012 garys_2k : Ah, thank you, that explains it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22337012 Mon, 04 May 2009 12:12:44 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22336997 RockyBB :
said by garys_2k See Profile :

So, I'm not sure what to do with this
Do nothing with it. There's nothing to do. You are not a customer of the underlying provider, so they have no obligation to talk to you or respond to any inquiry. In your case, know that MCI used to be an independent company but is now a division of Verizon. So your results are accurate.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22336997 Mon, 04 May 2009 12:10:18 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22336975 garys_2k : Interesting. It shows my home number is now controlled by MCI Worldcom Communications, which is not the provider that F9 used for porting that number to them. IIRC, F9 uses Verizon.

So, I'm not sure what to do with this -- start asking MCI to update the CNAM record or pass this off as a mistake (due to conflicting info. wrt F9's DID port)?

Anyway, very cool tool. Thanks!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22336975 Mon, 04 May 2009 12:06:38 EDT Re: What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22336966 Eat Me : That's interesting. You can also get data about your area/prefix from www.localcallingguide.com and www.telcodata.us (although I think the latter now charges a fee for their data)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22336966 Mon, 04 May 2009 12:04:31 EDT What carrier controls your phone number? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22336890 RockyBB : A few folks privately have spot checked the veracity of the results from this site, and they have been 100% clean. Thanks to those who have done the testing! (And thanks to the owner of the site for permission to publicize it!) This is the only free online resource I'm aware of that will lookup the underlying CLEC post-porting and show you the registered Caller ID name info. Lots of folks have been looking for a site like this ... I have no idea what you can do with this info other than make a pest of yourself, but nonetheless here it is... »www.tnid.org Fill in the phone number in the box at top right, then press enter. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE in the process of making a pest of yourself, do not reveal the site name to any carrier you are complaining to. We don't want the owner of the site to be bombarded with requests or demands to shut it down.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22336890 Mon, 04 May 2009 11:48:41 EDT