TKJunkMail
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
 ·Comcast
|  1500/256 has 17 GB down cap & 5 GB up cap
For $80/mo those speeds and caps aren't so bad, when a rural user's other choice is dial-up.
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me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO
1 edit | Yeah, but if they can get fixed wireless or millenicom(they re-sell sprint/verizon mobile internet with no cap) then WB ain't so great. |
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fiberguy
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join:2005-05-20
| Yea, but, there will always be exceptions. Your response to TK's post is just the same as "Yea, but if you can get cable or DSL then WB ain't so great."
For people that have no alternative but dialup, and even in some spots dial-up is still essentially 28.8kbps, then WB isn't bad.
Satellite service isn't meant for everyone. It's not even really there to get metro-based customers.. it's there to pick up those out of the reach of more common services. (ie: no other choice, which includes the options you're talking about) |
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jadebangle
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join:2007-05-22
Olathe, KS
 ·SureWest Internet
·AT&T Yahoo
·Comcast
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said by TKJunkMail  :For $80/mo those speeds and caps aren't so bad, when a rural user's other choice is dial-up. [att=1] Thats true if your usage is the same as dialup lol 
Its just another gimmick to sucker dialup user into their cashing in on desperation for faster expensive alternative |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO | reply to fiberguy
Just to throw in my 2¢, WB's latency is off the charts compared with anything else I've seen. Even an overloaded WiSP conection. Dialup is downright low-latency in comparison, with pings around 200-250 ms in my experience. |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN | reply to fiberguy
Latency is higher and the value plan has an average download speed of 23.7kbps (threshold per 30 days broken down into kbps). This is really nothing great and definitely way overpriced. |
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | reply to TKJunkMail
Wow, right up there with Time Warner.
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Emiya
join:2006-03-30
Southington, OH | reply to iansltx
Latency will always be higher on a satellite connection. It's a 23,000 mile trip each way to the bird so the speed of light is a major limiting factor. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO | Understood. Just throwing it out there... |
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jjeffeory
join:2002-12-04
USA
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Those caps are horrible. I have a friend who had Wild Blue because they couldn't get DSL or cable modem. They always had service problems and the caps were ridiculous. They jumped ship as soon a possible. Those caps are ridiculous for anything other than light "grandma" usage. |
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TKJunkMail
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast
| said by jjeffeory : Those caps are ridiculous for anything other than light "grandma" usage. And that statement is wrong. The caps of 17 GB down & 5 GB up would satisfy 95% of broadband users. And that group is not made up of grandmas. The 5% that have problems with those caps are VERY heavy users only.
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sturmvogel
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join:2008-02-07
Houston, TX
1 edit | said by TKJunkMail :said by jjeffeory : Those caps are ridiculous for anything other than light "grandma" usage. And that statement is wrong. The caps of 17 GB down & 5 GB up would satisfy 95% of broadband users. And that group is not made up of grandmas. The 5% that have problems with those caps are VERY heavy users only. In TK's world, no restrictions imposed by any* company can ever be wrong, no matter how outrageous. It is always the fault of the customer.
* - company he "invests" in, because ripping off customers is cool if making money for the shareholders. Service with a smile.
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elray
join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
·SONIC.NET
·RoadRunner Cable
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to TKJunkMail
said by TKJunkMail :said by jjeffeory : Those caps are ridiculous for anything other than light "grandma" usage. And that statement is wrong. The caps of 17 GB down & 5 GB up would satisfy 95% of broadband users. And that group is not made up of grandmas. The 5% that have problems with those caps are VERY heavy users only. DSLR forums are dominated by the 5% who would exceed any such cap. You'll never convince the "power users" here that usage-sensitive, low-cost plans have their place. You'll never win an argument that telco, cableco, and wireless entities are often unprofitable selling broadband.
I'm not in favor of caps. But if traffic shaping and throttling isn't allowed, I'm not sure whats left in the toolbox. |
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TKJunkMail
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Avalon, NJ
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast
| said by elray :DSLR forums are dominated by the 5% who would exceed any such cap. You'll never convince the "power users" here that usage-sensitive, low-cost plans have their place. You'll never win an argument that telco, cableco, and wireless entities are often unprofitable selling broadband. I'm not in favor of caps. But if traffic shaping and throttling isn't allowed, I'm not sure whats left in the toolbox. I agree that the power users won't be happy. I just expect, naively no doubt, that they will recognize that they are outside the norm and admit that others find the offered plans more than adequate.
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sturmvogel
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join:2008-02-07
Houston, TX
| reply to elray
said by elray :I'm not in favor of caps. But if traffic shaping and throttling isn't allowed, I'm not sure whats left in the toolbox. Easy. Selling truthfully what will be delivered, with no smoke and mirrors high speed numbers and hidden ridiculously low caps and calling users "abusers".
If that is only what they can afford, sure, I have no problem with that, but show in ALL advertisements the clear limits, not only the ridiculously high numbers that they know cannot be supported.
We as a society should not be getting used to be lied to and take that as a normal business practice.
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jay_rm
join:2002-04-12
Netville
·Fox Valley Internet
 ·ViaTalk
1 edit | reply to TKJunkMail
said by TKJunkMail :said by jjeffeory : Those caps are ridiculous for anything other than light "grandma" usage. And that statement is wrong. The caps of 17 GB down & 5 GB up would satisfy 95% of broadband users. And that group is not made up of grandmas. The 5% that have problems with those caps are VERY heavy users only. I actually have to agree...
My household has four people on-line (each with their own machine), two of which are 20-ish females. There are always multiple machines being used. I also run my own mail server, a web server and have multiple VoIP lines. Bottom line, we use the net a lot.
Our average use (right from my wireless ISP's logs) is ~7-10GB down and ~3-4 GB up PER MONTH. Shocking !
No, we don't watch on-line movies, ect (but you probably couldn't do that on sat anyway). A 17/5 cap would probably be acceptable, if required.
(edit) That said, I had sat service once (DirecWay) - it sucked the monkey - big time...
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me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO
1 edit | reply to sturmvogel
You got a point.
I mean seriously, why cannot they not just tell us the truth, they want to skrew us as much as they can for as much as they can. |
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CaptainRR
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join:2006-04-21
Blue Rock, OH | reply to fiberguy
Like my at&t line only gets 19.2k dialup and no cell service. |
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tim_k
Buttons, Bows, Beamer, Shadow, Kasey
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join:2002-02-02
Stewartstown, PA
·Millenicom
 ·WildBlue
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said by Emiya :Latency will always be higher on a satellite connection. It's a 23,000 mile trip each way to the bird so the speed of light is a major limiting factor. However, with WB's traffic shaping, pings double from what they should be. Mine were around 1200-1300 on avg. I once connected to my neighbors Hughs Sat service and pings were around 600. I could defintely see web pages come up faster.
I wonder what kind of traffic shaping tricks they'll use if you do get the 18 Mb plan. Maybe double pings again to 2400  ?
When I had WB, the caps didn't bother me, only once did I get close to 17 Gb. That's certainly better than the cap on many EVDO plans.
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Island Jeff
join:2005-07-18
·WildBlue
·TDS
1 edit | reply to Emiya
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Latency will always be higher on a satellite connection. It's a 23,000 mile trip each way to the bird so the speed of light is a major limiting factor.
Since we saw with our own eyes latency of around 600 to 650 ms being delivered day in and day out for the first year, and now latency is in the 1250 ms range, it seems traffic shaping accounts for more latency than distance right now.
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