  Groaner
@videotron.ca
| reply to xbell Re: Help/Advice with my Line Statistics please
said by xbell :Being Halloween and all I guess the scariest thing in your house is your line. that was a real groaner  -1 for u |
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  Bicephale
join:2005-09-24 | reply to xbell On the horror scale, from least to most:
DSLRocker's Mine Oinktastic's
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  Mauricio aka CigaR Premium join:2008-12-06
| reply to dslrocker3 said by dslrocker3 :just out of curiosity, I mesed around with that extension cord today. signal to noise ratio with no extension cord = 21.5 dB signal to noise ratio with the usual extenion cord = 25.5dB signal to noise ratio with a different extension cord = 23.0dB Now, I'm not going to suggest that people start plugging extension cords into phone jacks to see if that improves DSL signal but there has to be something to this. I'm sure that all of the textbooks would say that my wiring is just plain wrong but hey, it works for me. I should try using a 50' flat cord in my setup instead of Cat5...  |
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 dslrocker3
join:2002-05-26 Toronto
1 edit | reply to Bicephale said by Bicephale :On the horror scale, from least to most: DSLRocker's Mine Oinktastic's ...except that my setup makes no sense. I think we need to start suggesting to people with line problems to just try whatever comes to mind even it shouldn't help because my line shows that crazy/scary wiring can improve your line stats.
Mauricio, keep in mind that my modem isn't actually plugged into the extension cord. it's just necessary for me to have the extension cord plugged in somewhere along the house's wiring. |
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  xbell
@cgocable.net
| reply to Groaner said by Groaner : that was a real groaner  -1 for u This is what years of working for Bell does to you. You lose your sense of humour and become a dullard.  Have you got something better? I'm sure there will be a Bell reference in there somewhere.  Better yet start a scary Bell thread for Halloween. |
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  Mauricio aka CigaR Premium join:2008-12-06
| reply to dslrocker3 said by dslrocker3 :Mauricio, keep in mind that my modem isn't actually plugged into the extension cord. it's just necessary for me to have the extension cord plugged in somewhere along the house's wiring. Oh, I see. Should be fun to experiment nonetheless. |
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  Bicephale
join:2005-09-24
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to dslrocker3 Since we've entered the domain of crazyness/scaryness i gathered all the extension cords i could use and deployed that antenna across the whole appartment. If i connect/ disconnect that thing to/from the LINE outlet of my POTS Splitter this forces my SpeedTouch to renegociate and it seems to gain bins with the parasitic item on-line!... |
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 dslrocker3
join:2002-05-26 Toronto
1 edit | said by Bicephale :Since we've entered the domain of crazyness/scaryness i gathered all the extension cords i could use and deployed that antenna across the whole appartment. If i connect/ disconnect that thing to/from the LINE outlet of my POTS Splitter this forces my SpeedTouch to renegociate and it seems to gain bins with the parasitic item on-line!... Bicephale, are you joking or are you really being serious? More bins is a good thing!
And when you say "line", do you mean the side that is meant for the dsl modem (unfiltered) or the side that is meant for voice phones (filtered)? |
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  Mauricio aka CigaR Premium join:2008-12-06
| said by dslrocker3 :said by Bicephale :Since we've entered the domain of crazyness/scaryness i gathered all the extension cords i could use and deployed that antenna across the whole appartment. If i connect/ disconnect that thing to/from the LINE outlet of my POTS Splitter this forces my SpeedTouch to renegociate and it seems to gain bins with the parasitic item on-line!... Bicephale, are you joking or are you really being serious? More bins is a good thing! If it is true, I am curious to see if it's across the whole spectrum. |
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  Bicephale
join:2005-09-24
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to dslrocker3 Seriously, i get one or two more bins but that's not conclusive for my taste. I'd need to repeat the experiment a dozen times to be convinced it's not just a pure coincidence.

More bins is good news but two more bins worth only a couple bits doesn't translate into a significant SNR Margin difference...
This tends to confirm what my SpeedStream told me long ago, though: i do have a "Bridge Tap" outdoors, effectively. |
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  STN
join:2004-12-29 Canada
·Bell Sympatico
| said by Bicephale :This tends to confirm what my SpeedStream told me long ago, though: i do have a "Bridge Tap" outdoors, effectively. How did your SS tell you that |
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 dslrocker3
join:2002-05-26 Toronto
2 edits | reply to Bicephale so what are we theorizing here? If you have a bridge tap, plug in cheap, long, untwisted, dollar store extension cords and your signal to noise ratio margin and attainable rates might go up? that's scary and maybe i'm not crazy after all for trying it to begin with! |
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  Bicephale
join:2005-09-24
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| Every day you are proving that it is possible to attenuate the effects of an outdoors "Bridge Tap" causing echo cancellation issues, DSLRocker!
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Perhaps i should put my SS4200 on-line to see if the "Hybrid" will change...
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  Bicephale
join:2005-09-24 | reply to STN You'll find some "Hybrid" examples here, STN:
»/nsearch?q=Spe···m+Hybrid
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  Bicephale
join:2005-09-24
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| Inconclusive preliminaries: my SpeedStream 4200 still uses "Hybrid 2" and the bins didn't behave the same as with my SpeedTouch. The connection/disconnection of the "Bridge Tap" failed to cause the SS to renegociate, actually...
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  STN
join:2004-12-29 Canada | reply to Bicephale Ok, just so I'm clear. Is the SS actually telling you specifically that there is a BT. Or are you interpreting things in the log and coming to that conclusion. |
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  wayjac Premium,MVM join:2001-12-22 Indy | I don't think the modem actually indicates a bridge tap
»SBC DSL FAQ »What do the hybrid numbers mean and what do they tell you about your line? |
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 dslrocker3
join:2002-05-26 Toronto 1 edit | reply to Bicephale At first, I was saying for people to plug in random extension cords just as a joke and bicephale actually tries it! it must be hallowe'en or something... |
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  STN
join:2004-12-29 Canada | reply to wayjac Re: Help/Advice with my Line Statistics please
Sweet. Thanks wayjac |
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