Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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Re: Now isn't the time...
said by hottboiinnc  :They can do what they want with THEIR network. You are free to build your own and service customers the way you want. Nobody is making you use TWC or any other carrier. Unfortunately, when you get into the game of suing people so they can't compete with you, your whole argument goes out the window. |
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hottboiinnc
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Cleveland, OH
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| No its not out the window. You can compete. YOU can build our own network. Anyone can build their own network. I'm sure TWC won't sue you. I'm sure they won't see ATT for expanding. They sued when it started to come down to tax-payer money. You have choices, I have choices, if you don't like the choices, change providers or BUILD OUT your own network. And thanks to VZ fiber is getting cheaper. |
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CPUYODA
join:2003-01-25
Johnson City, TN
1 edit | But what if they're the only game in town?....then what?
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Bit
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Yeah, tell that to the munis who try only to have incumbent providers bribe politicians into passing laws stopping them.
So the claim that anyone can just build out a network is horseshit. |
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Karl Bode
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YOU can build our own network. Anyone can build their own network. That "build your own network" line ignores so many market realities for argumentative effect, it's a little insulting.
Were it that easy, don't you think there'd be significantly more competitors in most American markets? "Build your own network" in an age where incumbent operators appreciate the protection of well-lobbied regulators is kind of like telling a kid with broken legs to go fight Mike Tyson in a ring with a fixed referee if he's so unhappy with all that time he has to spend on the couch. |
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Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA
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said by hottboiinnc :BUILD OUT your own network. Right after you pay off all the politicians, etc.! |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
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Re: Now isn't the time...
I agree.
Telco/Cable Co will attempt to slow down/impede progress on competition so that they DO NOT have to compete directly (like Cablevision/Comcast vs. Verizon FiOS).
Muni broadband is easier to sue against, as its taxpayer money vs. business.
"robust competition in the broadband marketplace ensures that service providers will act in consumers' best interests."
needs to be replaced with
"anti-competition in the broadband marketplace ensures that service providers will act in share holders consumers' best interests."
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
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Well, he IS a well-known paid astroturf of the cable industry here so no surprise he's spewing utter BS... check his history and you get the picture: »/postlist/887660?cat=start
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hottboiinnc
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Cleveland, OH | reply to CPUYODA
Start your own? Wild Blue? Hughes Net? You have options. If you don't like it then build your own? |
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hottboiinnc
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join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | reply to Bit
Anyone can. You can go out and build your own network. Nobody said ANYONE included the gov't. |
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hottboiinnc
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Cleveland, OH | reply to Anon
Sorry don't work for the local cable company. But if you read my posts before you would know that. I work for a company based out of Ann Arbor, MI and for Meijer Stores, Inc. |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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said by hottboiinnc :If you don't like it then build your own? Better idea: Government takes over last mile and then allows anyone to be their own ISP at the same rate. That way the issue of easements and access is solved.
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Bit
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Wrong, not anyone can.
If TWC doesn't want to play by fair and simple rules, let them surrender their franchises. Whether it's media, manufacturing, medicine, software...all businesses are subject to rules and regulations prohibiting them from abusing their market position in their engagement of competitors.
If TWC doesn't like it, let them conduct business in another country. |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
·Qwest.net
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said by hottboiinnc :Start your own? Wild Blue? Hughes Net? You have options. If you don't like it then build your own? Oh please what a vacuous comment. Build your own what are you smoking. It is almost impossible for someone to start anything. With the endless government red tape, established ISP suing, politicians demanding a piece of the action in the form of campaign contributions, getting rights of way for feed lines or zoning for wireless delivery towers, etc, etc, etc, etc. What is the story here do you have a vested interest in seeing metered billing is as reality.
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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said by hottboiinnc :Anyone can. You can go out and build your own network. Nobody said ANYONE included the gov't. Really, so I can just come on over to your place and start installing my equipment and cables all over your property? Nope. I can't. And not anyone else's either, therefore, I can't "Just build my own."
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
·Qwest.net
2 edits | reply to hottboiinnc
said by hottboiinnc :Anyone can. You can go out and build your own network. Nobody said ANYONE included the gov't. Tell that to Google. Remember they tried to set up a network for free wifi in San Fransico. The City of San Fransico acted like the cost of this system was coming out of their own pockets. They laided down so many conditions that Google walked away. If Google with their almost bottomless pockets couldn't do it what makes you thing you, or I could. 
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Bit
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No kidding. If TWC wants to play the "what's minez be minez" game, let them start paying $10/ft a month in rent on all their easements including those that sit on otherwise private homeowner property. They don't get to plop a big ugly box down in my yard and play the "minez" game. |
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El Quintron
Could you spare a consulting gig?
join:2008-04-28
Etobicoke, ON | reply to kamm
Ya you'd think they could get better value for their dollar at that rate...
I guess this is why they stoop to these tactics rather than compete.
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ropeguru
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Bridgeport, WV
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I think we all need to petition hottboiinnc 's provider to start charging him $2.50 per KB. Then when he complains we can tell HIM to build his own network. |
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