homeshore
@tds.net
| [Connectivity] cable or nothing
I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT CABLE OR FIOS HAS TO BE THE WAY. I COULD BE WORKING AT HOME RIGHT NOW, BUT I DON'T HAVE CABLE. I DO HAVE DSL, BUT IT ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH. THE DATA AND VOICE PACKETS WON'T WORK WITH DSL. I BELIEVE WE SHOULD PUT THE MONEY IN CABLE AND FIOS AND DO AWAY WITH THE DSL. I LIVE IN A RURAL AREA AND I AM PAYING 50.00 A MONTH FOR THE DSL AND I COULD BE WORKING AT HOME 5 DAYS AND WEEK SAVING A TON OF MONEY WITH A CABLE OUTLET. COMCAST HAS NO PLANS TO BRING OR EXPAND TO MY AREA. THAT ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH AND THEN FIND A CABLE COMPANY THAT WANTS TO GET MORE CUSTOMERS AND PLAY MONOPOLY. I WOULD BE WILLING TO PAY MORE THAN 50.00 A MONTH TO GET CABLE HIGH SPEED. I SAY GIVE US WHAT WE NEED AND THE OTHER COMPANIES CAN SLIDE OFF THE PLANET, SINCE THEY WON'T IMPROVE THEIR TECHNOLOGY. BRING HIGH SPEED INTERNET TO AMELIA, VA SO MORE MOTHERS AND FATHERS CAN STAY AT HOME AND WORK AND SEE THEIR CHILDREN GET ON THE BUS!!!
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beachintech
There's sand in my tool bag
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The Beach,US
clubs:
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| Do you have any idea what it costs to run a mile of cable and extend a network? I am going to guess not. Companies all over (not just comcast) have to balance the # of subscribers that are possible in a given area, with the cost of a buildout, support, and installation. I am going to guess you live out in the sticks, where there are less than 30 houses in a square mile.
If you want high speed, get together with a group of locals and start your own ISP and solve your own problems.
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gar187er
Premium Alcoholic
join:2006-06-24
Dover, DE
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LMAO...you have one mcdonalds, and a food lion, thats it in amelia, and you want cable tv!?!!? LOLOLOLOL.... you live about 40miles outside of richmond, granted thats not terribly far, but in your direction there is nothing, just farm lands...
you have about 5,000 houses in the COUNTY...32 people per sq mile... in contrast kent county DE where I am has 62,000 houses and 214 per sq mile
your not gonna cable anytime soon buddy.... |
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
 ·Pacific Bell - SBC
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said by homeshore :
DATA AND VOICE PACKETS WON'T WORK WITH DSL.
Then something is terribly wrong. Data and VOIP works fine over DSL connections, assuming there are no problems with the loop.
I BELIEVE WE SHOULD PUT THE MONEY IN CABLE AND FIOS AND DO AWAY WITH THE DSL.
Who is this "we"? DSL is provisioned over copper landline. You saying "we" should prohibit the operation of investor owned ILECs, who are willing to put their money into the infrastructure? Considering that the cable company won't do that, I am not sure what your plan would accomplish.
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bellhead
@comcast.net
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One of my installs I still remember best working for ma bell was when I went out to install 3 phone lines for a subscriber in the country. He was about 7 miles out down a country road from the CO. I drove out there and saw he was wanting dsl and they had provisioned it on his order. He was over 35k feet so it wasn't going to work. My next thought why was this guy getting three lines? Most farmers only want a 1fr out in the country. So I arrive and see its a new house sitting back at least a quarter mile from the road but there are no poles and the poles with the plant are on the opposite side of the street. I drive up to the door and meet the guy, he was not a farmer but a suburban house dad who was used to the comforts of suburbia. Turns out his wife was given the land from her father the farmer and they decided to build a house on it. I told him right away high speed internet was not going to work due to the distance. The guy goes nuts accusing us and the cable company of discrimination against people in the country. Insight wanted over 2k$'s to run a hookup to his house. There was cable plant running down the road but they wouldn't offer service to him as his house was over 1000 ft from the street. Next I told him it would be 1 to 2 weeks before his lines were installed due to the lack of facilites, I found the poles feeding the electric to them but the run was over 3k feet from the street. Anything over 1k and engineering comes out and runs the drops as crw is involved. I inquired why he was getting 3 lines out in the country and it turned out he wanted to work from home, he was a marketing guy and he just couldn't believe we wouldn't offer high speed internet to the him. For all the work involved and the amount of copper used will ma bell ever see a profit off of him. I highly doubt it as he is just too far out in the country. |
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homeshore
@tds.net
| reply to gar187er
YOU REALLY GIVE SOMEONE HOPE. FIRST OF ALL THEIR ARE ALREADY PEOPLE IN AMELIA THAT HAVE COMCAST CABLE, 2ND I ONLY LIVE 2 MILES OFF OF PATRICK HENRY HIGHWAY WHERE THE CABLE RUNS ALONG, AND 3RD WE ARE ONLY 25 MILES FROM RICHMOND AND LESS THAN 15 MILES TO CHESTERFIELD COUNTY WHICH HAS A POPULATION OF OVER 320,000. WE MIGHT NOT GET ANY FURTHER WITH THE CABLE, BUT I GUARANTY YOU THAT BY THE END OF 2010 WE WILL HAVE SOMETHING BESIDES DSL! I DON'T LIVE IN THE STICKS |
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homeshore
@tds.net
| reply to NormanS
WE IS THE COUNTRY! WE ALL PAY FOR IT WHETHER IT BE THROUGH TAXES OR LOANS THAT THE GOVERNMENT TAKES OUT. TO PUT IT BETTER DO SOMETHING WITH MA BELL THEN AND MAKE DSL BETTER. YOU ARE A PHONE TECH AND DON'T KNOW ABOUT DSL DROPPING PACKETS OF VOICE OR DATA. MAYBE I NEED PACIFIC BELL THEN. |
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gar187er
Premium Alcoholic
join:2006-06-24
Dover, DE
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you evidently dont get on the too much as you are STILL TYPING IN CAPS!!!!!
people on the interwebs hate that!!!
2 miles off the road is far...your gonna have to pony up several thousand to get cable run to your place...
also your taxes dont pay for cable tv, it is not a utility...and besides dsl, and cable whatelse is there? you going to get fiber run to your door???
side note, dsl does not drop packets....lol unless you are having issues with it...or your over the distance limitiation.. |
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homeshore
@tds.net
| Let me quiet it down for you. I work in Chesterfield, and lived there until about 2 years ago. I didn't say my driveway was 2 miles long. There are 48 houses on the 2 mile stretch to my 7 house subdivision. The central office is within 5 miles not too far, and we have already tested it. It drops too many calls and that isn't good for a business. You are so smart show me a dsl service that can guaranty no packet loss?? |
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EG
The wings of love
Premium
join:2006-11-18
Union, NJ
2 edits | reply to homeshore
Try satellite internet. I don't know if it offers faster speeds than DSL, and I'm not so sure that you will be happy with its inherent latency (especially if you are an online gamer), but it should suffice for general browsing, getting/sending E-Mail, etc.
And please stop posting in all caps ! It is considered SHOUTING in proper netiquette, and mighty hard to read as well..
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homeshore
@tds.net | Thanks, but satellite internet won't work either. 7 1/2 hours on the phone each day taking claims and transferring people all over the country. I wish it would work. |
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EG
The wings of love
Premium
join:2006-11-18
Union, NJ | Which satellite provider have you tried ?
Don't know exactly what you mean by 7 1/2 hours, but it should "work". Can you be more specific please ? |
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gar187er
Premium Alcoholic
join:2006-06-24
Dover, DE
| reply to homeshore
5 miles is very far from a CO....extremely marginal whether or not it would work...thats why yours is having problems... 25,000' is usually the max you see dsl working at....which is a tad less then where you are...
this is a serious question though- if high speed internet was that important to you, did you ask what was available before moving there? |
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bellhead
@comcast.net | reply to EG
Guy,
You just don't get it. After the breakup of ma bell which mandated universal phone service paid for by business customers. Nobody cares about you country folks anymore. You need to move to the city. |
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EG
The wings of love
Premium
join:2006-11-18
Union, NJ
| said by bellhead :
Guy,
You just don't get it. After the breakup of ma bell which mandated universal phone service paid for by business customers. Nobody cares about you country folks anymore. You need to move to the city.
Why are you replying to me ? I "get it" just fine.. |
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| reply to homeshore
DSL modem stats. |
said by homeshore :
Let me quiet it down for you. I work in Chesterfield, and lived there until about 2 years ago. I didn't say my driveway was 2 miles long. There are 48 houses on the 2 mile stretch to my 7 house subdivision. The central office is within 5 miles not too far, and we have already tested it.
5 miles is 26,400 feet. Assuming your loop follows roads exactly. That is ~8,000 feet beyond the maximum loop length for DSL service. But the loop probably doesn't follow the road exactly; more like the path Billy takes running errands in the "Family Circus".
It drops too many calls and that isn't good for a business. You are so smart show me a dsl service that can guaranty no packet loss??
Despite your claim, I am not a phone tech. Nor do I use VOIP, though I've read posts by users of VOIP. DSL works well for VOIP when the loop is in good enough shape to maintain a connection. Nor have I lost packets on any of hundreds of file transfers (using BitTorrent). The screen shot shows my line stats. The attenuation is right for a loop length just over 9,000 feet. The connection has been up since March 13, per the modem log, so the CRC errors are not significant at all.
Modem connection log:
Oh, and Internet service is not funded by the taxpayers.
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~Oh Lord, why have you come
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beachintech
There's sand in my tool bag
Premium
join:2008-01-06
The Beach,US
clubs:
·Mediacom
| reply to homeshore
Get together with your neighbors, petition the local cable co to run lines to you on your dime. You pay for the lines as a group, I bet that would be a lot more leverage than anything else. It won't be cheap, but if you all want it so bad you should be willing to pay for it. Cable is not a taxpayer funded utility. It is a private company that has to stay alive just as much as the company you work for.
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bellhead
@comcast.net
| reply to homeshore
At 25k you pretty much sol. The biggest problem you are facing is your phone wires cable gage. If you have 18 gage running the whole length then I would say no problem. However you probally have 18 gage to the SAC box for the main, then 24 or 26 out to your house on the local. In Cincinnati we used a box which ran 4 t1's to the sac and then offered dsl off of it to the sub. This would allow people in your situation to get dsl. However if your phone company isn't doing this then you are sol at that distance. |
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