S_engineer
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Chicago, IL | In this day and age...
thats actually kind of sad. We should be further along than that. On the other hand, maybe copper can be milked for another 100 years! |
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pnh102
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Mount Airy, MD
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| said by S_engineer  :thats actually kind of sad. We should be further along than that. On the other hand, maybe copper can be milked for another 100 years! Go blame the people whose house are passed by fiber but who also choose to not buy it.
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hayabusa3303
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clubs: | alot of people dont know what fiber is tho. |
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wifi4milez
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said by pnh102 :said by S_engineer :thats actually kind of sad. We should be further along than that. On the other hand, maybe copper can be milked for another 100 years! Go blame the people whose house are passed by fiber but who also choose to not buy it. Or those who see no benefit to it at all. Keep in mind that most people these days are buying based on cost, NOT simply frothing at the mouth when they hear the word "fiber". There is a reason that the 'Lite' broadband tier (usually less than 1Mbps) is the most popular these days. The promise of 50Mbps speeds sounds great to those of us on this forum, however for the family looking to cut costs its meaningless.
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DaveNJ
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New Jersey | reply to S_engineer
It took 20-40 years for copper to reach the point it is today, it will probably take just as long, for fiber to reach total penetration. |
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baineschile
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Sterling Heights, MI | reply to hayabusa3303
And a lot of people dont care either |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
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You raise an interesting point....whats the point of having 50Mbps speeds with a cap and overage costs looming overhead!
The cap essentially kills the need for higher speeds except for those that don't use their connections to the fullest extent!
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Nightfall
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| said by S_engineer :You raise an interesting point....whats the point of having 50Mbps speeds with a cap and overage costs looming overhead! The cap essentially kills the need for higher speeds except for those that don't use their connections to the fullest extent! I may be wrong here, but there are no FIOS services that are capping right now. The players are all cable/DSL so far. That being said, I could be wrong a year down the road, but right now that just isn't the case. |
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | reply to baineschile
I agree. As long as I get a connection to the internet of reasonable speed I couldn't care less.
What I really would have liked to have FiOS for is the TV service. |
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Nightfall
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said by DaveNJ :It took 20-40 years for copper to reach the point it is today, it will probably take just as long, for fiber to reach total penetration. Heck, It was back in 1995 with TRIALS were launched in a few major cities for broadband. It wasn't until 1996 when it was available in major cities and adoption rates were low. In 1998 I lived in a city and was using ISDN for my internet connection because there were no cable/dsl internet. It wasn't until 1999 when that changed.
You are right. FIOS is a very young technology. It took 14 years to get where we are now for broadband internet and we still don't have nationwide adoption rates for it. FIOS is going to take a while to get around. |
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Nightfall
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said by S_engineer :thats actually kind of sad. We should be further along than that. On the other hand, maybe copper can be milked for another 100 years! We can also blame the cost of terminating the fiber. The cost of terminating both ends of a fiber connection can run $2000 in hardware/labor. Time will bring the cost of the hardware down. |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
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I know Verizons not capping, so let me rephrase....theres no incentive for other providers to switch due to a cap. Comcast has the most generous cap, however a 50m tier would make you reach the cap much faster.
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Nightfall
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| said by S_engineer :I know Verizons not capping, so let me rephrase....theres no incentive for other providers to switch due to a cap. Comcast has the most generous cap, however a 50m tier would make you reach the cap much faster. Depends on the customer that is downloading. I have friends who have FIOS that don't download 125gb in a month. Overall though, you are right. There really is no incentive for other providers to switch due to a cap. I see FIOS as a way for users to be able to switch from their capped lines to a non capped system. FIOS sells itself though. |
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AVonGauss
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join:2007-11-01
Boynton Beach, FL | reply to Nightfall
It's expensive, but its a bit lower than $2000...  |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
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said by Nightfall :I may be wrong here, but there are no FIOS services that are capping right now. The players are all cable/DSL so far. That being said, I could be wrong a year down the road, but right now that just isn't the case. Your wrong. The Panacea UTOPIA has caps »Utopia: Symmetrical 50Mbps for $39.95 |
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Nightfall
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said by AVonGauss :It's expensive, but its a bit lower than $2000... You are right. Probably realistically about $1500 with labor. It all depends on the length of the run and what equipment they use. I know we terminated a 400 foot run of fiber last year for $1000 and that wasn't with top notch equipment. We spent nothing on labor because we have someone who knows fiber good enough to do it themselves.
The point is this....
The breakeven point for FIOS is still high enough where not everyone is getting it. That is why they are only deploying it in expensive housing developments. |
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Nightfall
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said by patcat88 :said by Nightfall :I may be wrong here, but there are no FIOS services that are capping right now. The players are all cable/DSL so far. That being said, I could be wrong a year down the road, but right now that just isn't the case. Your wrong. The Panacea UTOPIA has caps » Utopia: Symmetrical 50Mbps for $39.95 Wow, 100GB limit. 4 times that of Comcast. Still, good to know if you live in Utah and have access to the FIOS. I didn't know that so thanks for sharing. |
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JPL
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West Chester, PA
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said by patcat88 :said by Nightfall :I may be wrong here, but there are no FIOS services that are capping right now. The players are all cable/DSL so far. That being said, I could be wrong a year down the road, but right now that just isn't the case. Your wrong. The Panacea UTOPIA has caps » Utopia: Symmetrical 50Mbps for $39.95 He was talking FiOS... not Utopia. Verizon doesn't cap their FiOS internet service. Unless he was confusing fiber with FiOS. If he was saying that all fiber services are uncapped, then I agree with you. |
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AVonGauss
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join:2007-11-01
Boynton Beach, FL
| reply to Nightfall
While the cynical side of me wants to agree with you regarding selective deployment, to date, that has not really proven out and most deployment agreements require Verizon to make the service available to all residents.
The charge for services can vary quite a bit depending on a lot of factors, but specifically referring to Verizon's cost per home we don't really need to estimate. They regularly publish their average cost per house passed and connected.
»policyblog.verizon.com/PolicyBlo···iOS.aspx
There is probably a more recent reference, but this is the first one that came up in Google specifically from Verizon themselves. |
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T1 Rocky
join:2002-11-15
Dallas, TX
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said by Eat Me :I agree. As long as I get a connection to the internet of reasonable speed I couldn't care less. That's like making the statement in 1910, "I don't care about the model T, its just as fast as my horse."
Now today can you imagine if we were all still riding horses?
The problem is that by not building the fiber infastructure we are stunting progress. There are applications *not* being developed right now becuase there isn't enough bandwidth to get it to the consumer.
And the real problem is that in 1996, we gave the telcos billions in tax payer dollars to build the network for us. If memory serves, the telcos agreed to build out to 80% of the homes by 2004. So it's 2009 and we are at 4%. But the telcos have the billions and have invested that money in restoring their monopoly and selling us that copper is all we need.
Imagine if the US government gave Henry Ford a billion dollars in 1910 and the exclusive right to produce the automobile in America and he invested in horse breeding? |
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