 JohnInSJPremium
join:2003-09-22
San Jose, CA
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Re: Bandwidth Limits/Congestion Management - All discussion here said by IPPlanMan:Comcast, as a de facto monopoly in the cable space, has no interest in investing in itself to support this kind of use the way that the market wants it to. You keep making this claim - but there's nothing to support it. Download 500GB of linux ISOs. Be a primary torrent seed for every linux distro and serve out several TB of ISOs. You'll negatively impact the node just the same as you would for any other use, and get flagged just the same. Heck, back up several TB of disk to the internet 24/7.
Comcast could give a rat's behind what you use the pipe for, so long as you're not blowing the node.
As has been pointed out before DSL and FiOS don't have that particular congestion issue. They'll run into upstream issues and the caps will come there just as soon as everyone hops on and starts blowing their cost models out of the water too.
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 IPPlanManHoly Cable Modem Batman
join:2000-09-20
Washington, DC
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3 edits | said by JohnInSJ:said by IPPlanMan:Comcast, as a de facto monopoly in the cable space, has no interest in investing in itself to support this kind of use the way that the market wants it to. You keep making this claim - but there's nothing to support it. I can absolutely provide support for this:
1) The Slingbox iPhone application has just been submitted to the Apple iTunes app store, and when it is released, expect a huge jump in upstreaming traffic. (which counts towards the cap by the way.)
2) Netflix Streaming and Apple TV/iTunes downloads are extremely popular.
3) Need I also mention Hulu?
4) What about video conferencing?
5) What about Remote Access like Go to My PC, etc.?
Comcast is unwilling to provide market level support for market channels such as these that do not enable it to recoup actual revenue, and it's because they charge a flat rate. I've mentioned these, and more are popping up all the time.
Apparently, Comcast can only be "profitable" if you use less than 250 GB per month of bandwidth.
Of course, this stupid cap doesn't seem to be keeping Comcast from bumping the download speeds up over 20MB up to 50MB.... How utterly pointless that is given the cap.
And since they're selling you a speed that is up to 20+ or 50MB, they honestly don't care if it actually reaches that or not. They only care that you don't use it more than 250GB per cycle. Figure that one out...
Metered billing... that's the answer that Comcast doesn't want to hear.
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 DarkLogixTexan and ProudPremium
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
kudos:3 | Its real simple
there is a management infastructure that likely has some High up exec that sees that people are being cut off for high usage and that the FL attorney gen is pressing charges
so he says to him self ok if we say a number for how much they can use then we might not have to pay the FL attorney gen
next he says well my harddrive is 250GB so I don't think people will use more than that in a month
then he tells all to put in this cap and ticks off people
I think this is what happened |
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IPPlanManHoly Cable Modem Batman
join:2000-09-20
Washington, DC
kudos:1
1 edit | Sounds entirely possible to me...
And we all know that hard drives haven't grown at all in size or come down in cost in the last 6 months... 
Think that will ever happen with Comcast? I doubt it...
Every day that goes by, 250 GB gets you less and less of the internet...
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"We're going to start at one end of (Fallujah), and we're not going to stop until we get to the other. If there's anybody left when that happens, we're going to turn around and we're going to go back and finish it."
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DarkLogixTexan and ProudPremium
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
kudos:3 | Ya you can buy a 2tb drive for like $300 now
but many new computers are still sold with 80 and 160 gb drives
so some exec likely thinks he has a big 250gb drive and thinks thats plenty
as for me just pay for a busi account with statics and your set |
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 joetaxpayerI'M Here Till Thursday
join:2001-09-07
Sudbury, MA
·Comcast
| said by DarkLogix:Ya you can buy a 2tb drive for like $300 now. I've seen 1.5TB seagate drives for $119. I'd think new PCs are shipping with 1TB drives. Can you even buy a 250GB any more? What do they cost? $15? |
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| said by joetaxpayer:said by DarkLogix:Ya you can buy a 2tb drive for like $300 now. I've seen 1.5TB seagate drives for $119. I'd think new PCs are shipping with 1TB drives. Can you even buy a 250GB any more? What do they cost? $15? Using 1.5 TB drives ? Hmmm, how many pictures and emails could that store ? What an "abuse", everyone knows that the "median" drive capacity is 40 GB, right ?
/sarcasm (just trying to be Comcastic)
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 EGThe wings of lovePremium
join:2006-11-18
Union, NJ
kudos:9 | I don't think that the capacity of one's HD is really a factor here.. ? |
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DarkLogixTexan and ProudPremium
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
kudos:3 | reply to joetaxpayer
Re: Bandwidth Limits/Congestion Management - All discussion here said by joetaxpayer:said by DarkLogix:Ya you can buy a 2tb drive for like $300 now. I've seen 1.5TB seagate drives for $119. I'd think new PCs are shipping with 1TB drives. Can you even buy a 250GB any more? What do they cost? $15? at work we just bought a brand new computer with a 160gb drive (and added a 2nd drive for cloning)(uesr gets alot of dead drives)
it was also available with 80, 250, 320, 500
and laptops tend to still have smaller drives
sure most of us when we build a computer would but a 1.5 or a 2 TB but at a business we spend more for server storage not end-user storage (because more data thats on the server in raid and backed up daily the less that can be lost)
I don't think a 40gb can be bought anymore bust as for 250gb
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DarkLogixTexan and ProudPremium
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
kudos:3 | reply to EG
said by EG:I don't think that the capacity of one's HD is really a factor here.. ? ya but uper managment types don't think like normal people |
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Re: Bandwidth Limits/Congestion Management - All discussion here said by DarkLogix:ya but uper managment types don't think like normal people Neither do many of the posters in this thread, for that matter. |
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| said by btfgw :said by DarkLogix:ya but uper managment types don't think like normal people Neither do many of the posters in this thread, for that matter. Truth in advertising. Trying to use what we have purchased. Asking about the usage meter 3 months after the metered model went into effect.
Imagine the horror.
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joetaxpayerI'M Here Till Thursday
join:2001-09-07
Sudbury, MA Reviews:
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| reply to EG
said by EG:I don't think that the capacity of one's HD is really a factor here.. ? It may not, in reality, but perception is a lot.
I sit (a few years back) with my 120GB drive, and if I hear of a 100GB cap don't I think, "wow, I can download enough to fill the drive nearly every month. Anyone who demands more is either a pirate or streaming porn 24/7."
Now, with a couple TB drives, and legal streaming (I think we decided 5GB/2hr movie, no?) the 250GB seems not so large.
I happened to not be a NetFlix subscriber, but with TiVo in a few rooms, I could be one day.
I offer this just to illustrate how the drive can impact one's thinking, right or wrong. |
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JohnInSJPremium
join:2003-09-22
San Jose, CA Reviews:
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| said by joetaxpayer:legal streaming (I think we decided 5GB/2hr movie, no?) No.
HD stream is 1.5GB/hour (which is still a shade high, I believe, but could be possible for 1080p h.264 mpeg... 720p would run 1gb/hour. SD is .33 GB/hour)
So if all you do is stream legal video all day, you get
5.5 hours/day HD/1080p (1.5GB/hour)
8.33 hours/day HD/720p (1GB/hour)
25.25 hours/day (LOL!) SD (.33GB/hour)
Before you hit your 250GB cap.
Of course, you'll also be imaging your 3TB of hard drives to free cloud backup, and your 7 housemates will be streaming video, spending $600/mo on itunes, seeding every linux distro on bittorrent, and whatever else you can think of, so your actual use will be about 10-20X the cap  |
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joetaxpayerI'M Here Till Thursday
join:2001-09-07
Sudbury, MA Reviews:
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Re: Bandwidth Limits/Congestion Management - All discussion here said by JohnInSJ:HD stream is 1.5GB/hour I'll take your word on that. Seems low to me as TiVo recordings seem to run 5GB/hr and I thought that was already subject to some kind of compression.
Given your numbers, 133 hrs = 200GB. Is it so beyond believing that a family who just signs up for NetFlix (during the summer when nothing else is on) starts averaging 4hrs a day, between the parents and their 2.5 kids? Kids do crazy things (remember "Go Ape" the Planet of the Apes marathon, all 5 movies in one day?) My example is contrived a bit, but still in the range of a normal possibility. |
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