Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | DirecTV and FiOS better
Time for Cheep Charlie to step up to the plate! |
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PapaMidnight
join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD
| said by Eat Me  :Time for Cheep Charlie to step up to the plate! I would stick with my Dish Network over DirecTV. I've seen on site through friends what they're customer service is like. Not going to happen.
As for FiOS. It may be good and all, but since you can't even get it due to a rather lack luster build out (of course, the guys up the street have been able to get it for about 2 months now), the point is moot. |
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
 ·PenTeleData
 ·Future Nine Corpor..
·VOIPo
·Vonage
| I was a DirecTV customer from 2002-2006. I had to drop them because I moved to an apartment with no place to put a dish.
Never had a problem with customer service. Had an UltimateTV that was repaired for free due to the protection plan, and a TiVo that gave no trouble.
No problems with customer service, no billing mistakes.
And compared to DISH - no dropped channels due to Cheep Charlie and his playing chicken with programming providers. |
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rec9140
Provoice just DO it
join:2003-07-29
Mulberry, FL
| reply to Eat Me
said by Eat Me :
Time for Cheep Charlie to step up to the plate!
Direcrap is just that crap!
FiOS is for Data, period. The fact it offers voice and video is just like crapble, not relevant.I am not interested in bundles, or other crap.
And YES, I am a very HAPPY Dish sub since the late 90's, and I wouldn't even consider anything else.
HD > /dev/null so I could care less if this or that has HD. Dish is DVB which is digital already.
Maybe if you need some of the sports crap you need direcrap, even then it comes in a distance 2nd after Dish.
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ITALIAN926
join:2003-08-16
Stratford, CT | LOL You are hillarious. FiOS is not just for Data.. just because you have a TV with a dial to change channels doesnt mean the rest of the world is like that.
You my friend, are the minority with opinions like that. |
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v35_pilot
Whoops, there goes another AMU
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Fayetteville, NY
·ViaTalk
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said by rec9140 : HD > /dev/null so I could care less if this or that has HD. Dish is DVB which is digital already. I am not sure I understand your point here. Are you stating that those who prefer HD are doing so because of the need to switch to DVB before the feds-mandated date of dropping analog?
I am also a long-time Dish customer (Aug 1996) who has been happy with my service, outsourced customer service being the exception. |
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RadioDoc
58ef2c0
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11 | reply to PapaMidnight
I dunno about that. My experience with DirecTV customer service in the last couple of months has been stellar. I went with DirecTV because their packages and pricing are better than Dish. |
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
·PHONE POWER
·AT&T U-Verse
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·Time Warner VOIP
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I've always had great experiences with DirecTV's customer service. The only reason I dropped them was because I wanted high definition DVR back when they were new. DirecTV's only option was the TiVo HR10-250. It was $1000 and I needed two. My other option was to rent two HD DVRs from Comcast for $20 per month (and yes, that's what Comcast charged me, someone forgot to include the other fees). Now that DirecTV's equipment costs are manageable I'm back with them.
Dish Network's customer service was unbelievably bad when I tried them. I was a new customer and ordered their HD receiver plus a couple standard def ones and dish. But just after ordering, they came out with a new model that worked with "HD ready" TVs that would save me from buying a $1000 ATSC tuner. I wanted to reutrn the HD receiver and keep the rest. Their CS required me to ship the dish back with the HD receiver, which would have left me with no dish and no way to complete the installation! They didn't care. I told them they've left me with no choice but to cancel the whole thing. They made no effort whatsoever to keep my account. Never again.
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rec9140
Provoice just DO it
join:2003-07-29
Mulberry, FL
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said by ITALIAN926 :
LOL You are hillarious. FiOS is not just for Data.. just because you have a TV with a dial to change channels doesnt mean the rest of the world is like that.
You my friend, are the minority with opinions like that.
I am here all week...try the veal and tip your waitress...  
Fios is a data service, period.
I am so sick and tired of those idiotic commercials touting HD this, HD dvr, HD.... QUIT TRYING to compete with crapble. Bundles, schmundles..... Again not interested.
Some of us are very satisfied with getting video from some place other than crapble or Fios.
I have DBS, Dish precisely and am very HAPPY. crable and Fios video can not compete. If they work for you, great, but some of use are here for the data speed, and thats it.
Again, I am here all week...try the veal and tip your waitress...
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JPL
Premium
join:2007-04-04
West Chester, PA
·Verizon FIOS
1 edit | said by rec9140 : said by ITALIAN926 :
LOL You are hillarious. FiOS is not just for Data.. just because you have a TV with a dial to change channels doesnt mean the rest of the world is like that.
You my friend, are the minority with opinions like that.
I am here all week...try the veal and tip your waitress... Fios is a data service, period. I am so sick and tired of those idiotic commercials touting HD this, HD dvr, HD.... QUIT TRYING to compete with crapble. Bundles, schmundles..... Again not interested. Some of us are very satisfied with getting video from some place other than crapble or Fios. I have DBS, Dish precisely and am very HAPPY. crable and Fios video can not compete. If they work for you, great, but some of use are here for the data speed, and thats it. Again, I am here all week...try the veal and tip your waitress... Wow... I guess I should call Verizon, then... because they managed to give me alot of channels. I guess someone needs to call them and tell them that 'they're just data'. I'm not even sure I understand what the heck that means. Digital TV programming is 'just data' too. You know, like the feeds you're getting from Dish. I'm glad that you're happy with your service, and you can pretend all you want that FiOS is not only competing but really kicking butt in signing up video subscribers, but that doesn't change the fact that yes, Verizon offers video.
Despite what you wrote, judging by the numbers, it appears that it's Dish that can't compete. Verizon added 303,000 video customers (net additions) last quarter... DirecTV added just a handful fewer at 302,000 net. U-Verse came in a fairly close third. You may not care about getting more HD channels and bundling and all, but apparently there are quite a few people who do. |
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rec9140
Provoice just DO it
join:2003-07-29
Mulberry, FL
| reply to v35_pilot
said by v35_pilot :
am not sure I understand your point here. Are you stating that those who prefer HD are doing so because of the need to switch to DVB before the feds-mandated date of dropping analog?
HD in the US has been hijacked to translate as "digital."
The transition from NTSC to ATSC in the US has been so misguided to con the sheeple into getting TV's they probably don't need or want because you need "HD!"
NO! You need digital, ATSC for US OTA, QAM for crapble, if there is any QAM thats sent unecnrypted. DVB-S for Dish/FTA, DVB-T for real digital OTA (Europe/UK).
HD is a F E A T U R E of the digital formats.
HD is not a selling feature for me. Big whoop, this or that in HD....
Just because the local OTA switched to ATSC doesn't mean its HD 100% of the time.
The mess that is the digital transition in the US is not a transition to HD.
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rec9140
Provoice just DO it
join:2003-07-29
Mulberry, FL
| reply to JPL
Data=High Speed Computer Data service
Video= TV service be it in analog NTSC, QAM, etc..
I am very intimately aware of the means, methods, and formats used to send this data for these services to the end user.
Those biting on all those bundling deals will in the end pay more. Bundle deals are just come on cons to get you to switch and time limited.
No, thanks. This is the same bunch who will switch back from Fios to crapble every 6 months. Who needs that hassle. Install the stuff, and be done with it. Same bunch who has to change cell phones every 2 minutes, because some stupid Nokia in Neon Pink over the Fire Red came out. Same model, same features.
I install services once,unless there is a huge improvement in one over another ie: Fios over crapble for data.
The savings when the hassle is factored in is not a savings.
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US
| said by rec9140 :Data=High Speed Computer Data service Video= TV service be it in analog NTSC, QAM, etc.. I am very intimately aware of the means, methods, and formats used to send this data for these services to the end user. Yeah, you are sooo "intimately" that you call "High Speed Computer Data" - like if it has anything to do it's computer or not, LOL -, you claim Dish's service is DVB - which isn't because Dish use different modulation, ouch - and for some reason video means "TV service" which is the utter ROFLMAO...
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Those biting on all those bundling deals will in the end pay more. Bundle deals are just come on cons to get you to switch and time limited.
No, thanks. This is the same bunch who will switch back from Fios to crapble every 6 months. Who needs that hassle. Install the stuff, and be done with it. Same bunch who has to change cell phones every 2 minutes, because some stupid Nokia in Neon Pink over the Fire Red came out. Same model, same features.
I install services once,unless there is a huge improvement in one over another ie: Fios over crapble for data.
The savings when the hassle is factored in is not a savings.
What a bunch of ignorant nonsense - I hate cable but your beloved Dish is the classic price gouging PoS provider, you HAVE TO SIGN UP FOR 18-24 MONTHSor you will BUY YOUR STBs, you get BS HD quality (compared to FIOS) etc.
Stop spreading the ignorant crap, please.
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US
| reply to rec9140
said by rec9140 : said by v35_pilot :
am not sure I understand your point here. Are you stating that those who prefer HD are doing so because of the need to switch to DVB before the feds-mandated date of dropping analog?
HD in the US has been hijacked to translate as "digital." The transition from NTSC to ATSC in the US has been so misguided to con the sheeple into getting TV's they probably don't need or want because you need "HD!" NO! You need digital, ATSC for US OTA, QAM for crapble, if there is any QAM thats sent unecnrypted. DVB-S for Dish/FTA, DVB-T for real digital OTA (Europe/UK). HD is a F E A T U R E of the digital formats. HD is not a selling feature for me. Big whoop, this or that in HD.... Just because the local OTA switched to ATSC doesn't mean its HD 100% of the time. The mess that is the digital transition in the US is not a transition to HD. Jesus, you [bv]are a confused, ill-educated[/b] "konzumer".
Nobody claimed what you are fighting here - we just wanted you to elaborate that hilarious "HD > /dev/null so I could care less if this or that has HD. Dish is DVB which is digital already" line of yours...
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pandora
Premium
join:2001-06-01
Outland
·ooma
·Future Nine Corpor..
·Comcast
|  reply to RadioDoc
I moved from Dish to DirecTV, in my case Dish wasn't competitive. Dish also didn't have very good customer service during the last few years it provided service to me.
DirecTV has been great. I'm a 100% satisfied customer.
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rec9140
Provoice just DO it
join:2003-07-29
Mulberry, FL
| reply to kamm
said by kamm :
Yeah, you are sooo "intimately" that you call "High Speed Computer Data" - like if it has anything to do it's computer or not, LOL -, you claim Dish's service is DVB - which isn't because Dish use different modulation, ouch - and for some reason video means "TV service" which is the utter ROFLMAO...
Dish is DVB, to be precise DVB-S2
Dish was ahead of the DVB standard by using 8SPK over the QPSK DVB-S at the time.
FTA is DVB-S at QPSK
DVB-S2 support more than QPSK and 8PSK
it also supports 16APSK, and 32APSK.
I suppose I need to go into how each data format works too. I deal with this stuff daily.
said by kamm :
Jesus, you [bv]are a confused, ill-educated[/b] "konzumer".
Nobody claimed what you are fighting here - we just wanted you to elaborate that hilarious "HD > /dev/null so I could care less if this or that has HD. Dish is DVB which is digital already" line of yours...
Fios and direcrap are not better than Dish as the OP stated.
HD is a zero factor in choising thus HD > /dev/null
Matter of fact I am sick and tired of all the ads about this or that many HD channesl regardless of who it is be Dish or crapble or direcrap. If your only choice is that xyz has 100 HD channels and the other has 75. Big woop. They probably offer the channel in non HD. HD is not the be all end all that a very small videophile niche are driving it to be.
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JPL
Premium
join:2007-04-04
West Chester, PA
·Verizon FIOS
1 edit | reply to rec9140
said by rec9140 :Data=High Speed Computer Data service Video= TV service be it in analog NTSC, QAM, etc.. I am very intimately aware of the means, methods, and formats used to send this data for these services to the end user. Those biting on all those bundling deals will in the end pay more. Bundle deals are just come on cons to get you to switch and time limited. No, thanks. This is the same bunch who will switch back from Fios to crapble every 6 months. Who needs that hassle. Install the stuff, and be done with it. Same bunch who has to change cell phones every 2 minutes, because some stupid Nokia in Neon Pink over the Fire Red came out. Same model, same features. I install services once,unless there is a huge improvement in one over another ie: Fios over crapble for data. The savings when the hassle is factored in is not a savings. Really? The savings are limited, and not worth the hassle? Funny, because I probably save about $40/month over what I would have been paying with DirecTV. And I've been able to do that going on 2 years now. These savings aren't limited. Unlike DBS, I can actually reup my contract, without having to get new equipment - services like DirecTV give you discounts on hardware in exchange for a contract. Cable, and FiOS, give you a deal on your service. Yeah, I pay full price for the hardware, but my service gets a pretty big discount. And what's more, like I said, I can reup. Which I've done more than once already.
I guess I don't understand your position. FiOS offers now 106 HD channels in my market. No other provider (not Dish, not DirecTV, certainly not Comcast) come close. It's all uncompressed (that is, they don't do any additional compression on the signal), which gives me the best PQ I've ever seen. To sit there and claim that Verizon isn't really in the video game, despite all that, just defies common sense. They ARE in the video game, and they're kicking tail. You can ignore that fact all you want... doesn't change it at all.
You also list QAM as a transmission method for video - yep... just what Verizon uses. So... how are they 'only for data' again? |
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questionguy
@verizon.net | umm, you are aware Directv provides the feed that FIOS offers through their service? |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
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| reply to Eat Me
Dish Network is an excellent service, however.
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Watch Dish come out and be aggressive with packages and pricing and the result is that Cable and others will feel some heat.
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KrK
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said by Eat Me :And compared to DISH - no dropped channels due to Cheep Charlie and his playing chicken with programming providers. Thanks to him many subscriber's bills have been kept lower then they would have been had Dish just rolled over to every price increase and bundling requirement the Content companies demanded (like Cable and DirectTV does)
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