Draakmaar
join:2008-12-15
Paducah, KY
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Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread
Just out of curiosity...
»talent.mmo-champion.com/?deathkn···ion=9614
I have seen this posted around on the WoW forums as a high DPS spec that would benefit from DW over 2h. I'm not sure that I see how this would be a viable DW spec. I may be missing something. All I can come up with is lots of crits on IT.
Any words of wisdom? |
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Archivis
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| I can't see it because my work's IE isn't compatable with that site. But from what I can tell, it's a 0/51/20 build. There are some big changes that make using DW less appealing than 2H. Not that DW is going to be complete garbage, it's just going to go down in DPS from what it currently is.
Look at Necrosis. It is only affected by Main Hand damage now. Howling Blast was moved to a 51 pointer, so you can't pick up some of the nicer talents in the Unholy tree that helped. Gargoyle was also moved to a 51 pointer, so you've lost that as well. Killing Machine was normalize to a proc per minute thing, so it's not based upon how fast you hit anymore.
The only thing I could see being beneficial is by being able to have 2 weapon enchants going. I hear cinderglacier is getting a buff.
Either way, I don't see it happening yet, but I'll remain unprejudiced about it until I see it. The razorice/cinderglacier changes/combo may be enough to make them more appealing than crusader for a DW build. |
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Scatterbrain
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Quick question, with your talent tree here »talent.mmo-champion.com/?deathkn···ion=9614 , assuming you moved 2 points out of Morbidity and put them both into Imp Unholy Presence, wouldn't you get more benefit out of the increased rune regen time, as opposed to 10% extra damage from DC?
That is of course assuming that you would get any DPS benifit from the extra rune regen time, above and beyond what Blood Presence gives of course.
Okay, so its two questions, and the second one probably isnt that short =)
Any thoughts? |
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Archivis
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| Your link doesn't work.
Also, I haven't "theorycrafted" since the second round of PTR changes so the previous discussion might look awkward now. I figured on just waiting until closer to release time.
I do think its possible that imp unholy presence might edge out with 10% rune regeneration rate + death coil glyph. If you can pump out some mad RP generation... Just need to see. |
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Mahmoud2
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How do the proposed changes affect pvp? Right now, it seems unholy is the default/OP spec. Do any of the other builds look good for pvp in 3.1? |
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Archivis
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Earth | not really
SS procs desecration now? Glyph of Blood Boil gets removed? That pretty much puts Unholy in the lead. |
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Don69Fire
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Danville, WV | ok Arch. you had the weekend to play on the PTR. what good and bad news ya got for us. anything new as of late??? |
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Archivis
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| I didn't touch the PTR. Despite the amount of time I spend here, I haven't spent as much in-game.
All I really need is 1-2 good evenings, 1000 gold, and a fuckton of glyphs and I'd have the whole DK class figured out again anyways.
Once I saw that they were redesigning the class several times over in a single patch, I decided not to waste my time anymore.
I have some theories in the back of my head, but I'll wait until after the patch hits. |
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abg
join:2009-02-06 | Glyphs are for sale in Dalaran now at the Inscription hut. 4s each. Makes me wish I could transfer my DK back. :P. |
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Archivis
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Don69Fire
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Danville, WV | what, they are on sale there on the PTR??? |
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abg
join:2009-02-06
| said by Don69Fire  :what, they are on sale there on the PTR??? Yeah. Only in Dalaran, at the Inscription trainers. Most are inside, but there are 3-4 vendors outside and they are less than 4s each so you can stock up. |
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Don69Fire
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Danville, WV | cool. that is a great idea. that way people can do any testing at minimal funds... |
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abg
join:2009-02-06 | Even worse than funds was availability. I don't think I've yet to see 2 pages of glyphs for sale on the PVP test realm, horde side. It makes it hard to test if you don't have the resources. |
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Seven
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Ive been playing with some specs here to see how i can maximize damage output using single rune abilities. I speced into FS to blow my RP dump on. This spec has no pet nor garg/DrW to get a short boost of dps. This spec is based clearly on burst dps on single target mobs. I put some talent points into chilblains as well for the snare affect to assist bloodstrike damage using bloodstirke glyph. This is clearly a 2h weapon spec. The spec is listed below tell me what you think about it:
»talent.mmo-champion.com/?deathkn···on=9684#
Side note: If bloodstike glyph realy works with heartstike why doesnt blizz simply just add the wording to glyph itself to eliminate doubt or confusion. There is no talk in patch notes that state they plan clearing it up. |
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Archivis
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| Can't hit it up from work, however, I have yet to see a single spec that capitalized upon single rune abilities for PVE DPS. In PVP, single rune abilities can be pretty powerful.
Even dualwield relied upon using F/U runes, or turning everything into frost runes. |
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abg
join:2009-02-06
| It seems the new glyph of pestilence/disease doesn't work. I've tried it yesterday and today and it doesn't actually refresh diseases on the current target. 
I've done some testing and both Death Srike and Obliterate both do more average and max damage than single-target heart strike with diseases up. So, I'd rather drop a heart strike than an Obliterate of possible.
As of right now it's IT > PS > HS > HS > OB (or death strike) > RP dump when I'd like to change the 2nd line of the rotation to Pest > HS > OB > OB > RP dump.
It seems to do ok dps...about 2k just repeating line 1, but would probalby see more if I could get line 2 to work. Also, this is with considerably lesser gear than I have on live, so the lower dps makes a bit more sense. |
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Seven
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When you get the chance take a look. This spec relies on Bloostrike as main source of damage. Your FU abilities would be OBL to convert runes to death runes. With great gear ive seen reports of FS hitting between 5-7k and Heartstrike critting up to 6k, not sure if that is true but if so using FS as a DC dump i think DPS would be great. Iam aware that iam not using heartstrike in this build but the purpose of build is to replicate the damage output from heartstrike using bloodstike. The talents in frost and blood focus on increasing your Bloodstirke damage output. When your Frost and unholy runes are deathrunes you can focus on spamming BS. I got Unbreakable armour for the increase str by 25% for 20 sec. I was bored so figured i play with calculator but i havent personally tested spec. |
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abg
join:2009-02-06
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This is a link to just the caluclator. You need to copy and paste the link at the top of the page, not in the URL. |
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Archivis
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What build? |
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