Porky 33
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| What's left?
This sounds like it is now a Pork Bill. What use is this money going to? to help farmers herd cattle? And no stimulus to areas that can use higher speeds than 768kbs or 2Mbps ....
Where is the investment in Broadband or the promised higher speeds and special tax breaks for those companies who do invest in fiber or higher speeds?
" Cable-industry lobbyists complained that the 100Mbps watermark was too fast"
You mean they can't keep up? Who are they to decide what is too fast? Explain why other countries are putting out 1Gbps (GPON) why would these much smaller countries need it and yet the US doesn't????
What politicking .... Lobbyists win again. good job. Nice to know "YOUR" elected officials are keeping an eye out for you rather than their pocketbook....
Look at the facts: Congress members have a higher percentage of criminal record than the average person in NY City alone.
And these are the guys running a country that people put there. |
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Karl Bode
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| This sounds like it is now a Pork Bill. Maybe. The mapping provision could be useful if done correctly. The problem with this country's approach to broadband has traditionally been follow up. The bill could contain a million brilliant propositions, but if nobody accurately maps broadband coverage, or nobody holds anybody accountable across a wide slew of well-lobbied agencies, it all means nothing. |
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jimbo2150
join:2004-05-10
Youngstown, OH
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said by Porky 33 :
Where is the investment in Broadband or the promised higher speeds and special tax breaks for those companies who do invest in fiber or higher speeds? Taken out, luckily. I hated that provision. Most large operators are already making healthy profits on broadband. The largest would have recieved tax money to line their profits more as it was previously written because they have a rollout of "next-gen" internet going (mainly just in large cities). We would have basically been paying them twice and that was a really stupid idea.
What they need to do is press for more competition and prevent companies from trying to derail munis (especially in areas that most companies would never serve without regulation anyway).
I don't see much of that in there, but at least better broadband mapping will be a start.
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Titus Pullo
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said by Karl Bode  :This sounds like it is now a Pork Bill. Maybe.The problem with this country's approach to broadband has traditionally been follow up. The bill could contain a million brilliant propositions, but if nobody accurately maps broadband coverage, or nobody holds anybody accountable across a wide slew of well-lobbied agencies, it all means nothing. You could replace "broadband" with just about anything 
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Karl Bode
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Porky 33
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said by Karl Bode :This sounds like it is now a Pork Bill. Maybe. The mapping provision could be useful if done correctly. The problem with this country's approach to broadband has traditionally been follow up. The bill could contain a million brilliant propositions, but if nobody accurately maps broadband coverage, or nobody holds anybody accountable across a wide slew of well-lobbied agencies, it all means nothing.
Yes, sounds like the only thing in the bill that is worth while. |
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me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO | reply to Porky 33
some areas can't get 768k for less than $80 a month, i'm one of the people there, I would LOVE 2m for $50 or less. |
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jadebangle
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1 edit |  said by me1212 :some areas can't get 768k for less than $80 a month, i'm one of the people there, I would LOVE 2m for $50 or less. Is this USA??? Crazy!
USA=3rd world country
YEAP...
only in select area do you see something a little better then this...
This is by design.
Surewest charges much more because their is no competition on fiber and also its very limited in America. Only CA and KS! 20/20 for 91.99 and 50/50 for 191.99
even if you can get these i doubt most can afford it
The only thing we can afford is 39.99 for 5/5 or 53.99 for 10/10
Oh well thats USA, land of the most ignorant and enslaved of all 
Have fun with our slave band oops i meant asymmetrical dsl and cable crappy 10/1-20/1 ratio 
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | reply to Porky 33
I am glad they dropped tax breaks for Verizon. Verizon has already collected enough from taxpayers over the years. Time for other providers to get a chance to build their networks. |
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me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO
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Well we its $70 BEFORE taxes, I'm guessing closer to $80 after it maybe more like 75-77. its wireless, but they ALWAYS give you what you pay for I pay for 512 down now($45 a month) and I GET 512 down, it works with VoIP and the pings and pacet loss are about the same as cable. I would love 20/20 for $92 I could drop dish and save about $25 a month, 20/1 would work too, i don't do much uploading, other than normal web surfing. |
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soothsayer15
join:2002-03-01
Irving, TX
| reply to Porky 33
So often on this site people complain about how South Korea is so far area of us in broadband deployment. South Korea's broadband is largely subsidized by their government. The problem is America is the lack of accountability with public funds.
Having worked for a couple of large corporations, accountability isn't that great in the private sector either. There are so many people publicly and privately there are unqualified in the jobs they are doing, or are just too lazy to take the time to learn. In the corporations I've worked at, making some arbitrary number was the only thing that mattered regardless of how that numbers was met.
I would like this stimulus to work, but the lack of accountability and greed will probably derail it. There is something about having access to a large sum of money that makes it hard for people to control themselves, especially free money. |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
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"change we can believe in" must mean whats left in our pockets after a forty hour work week...Change.
I'd gladly give a kidney for a politician that actually knows what he/she is doing. This is just as painful as watching The View!
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BIGMIKE
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join:2002-06-07
Westminster, CA
| reply to Porky 33
said by Porky 33 :
This sounds like it is now a Pork Bill. What use is this money going to? to help farmers herd cattle? And no stimulus to areas that can use higher speeds than 768kbs or 2Mbps ....
Where is the investment in Broadband or the promised higher speeds and special tax breaks for those companies who do invest in fiber or higher speeds?
" Cable-industry lobbyists complained that the 100Mbps watermark was too fast"
You mean they can't keep up? Who are they to decide what is too fast? Explain why other countries are putting out 1Gbps (GPON) why would these much smaller countries need it and yet the US doesn't????
What politicking .... Lobbyists win again. good job. Nice to know "YOUR" elected officials are keeping an eye out for you rather than their pocketbook....
Look at the facts: Congress members have a higher percentage of criminal record than the average person in NY City alone.
And these are the guys running a country that people put there.
I got a bridge for sale...... |
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wifi4milez
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No kidding its pork! I am not sure what anyone else expected to be honest. It really doesnt shock me all that much, and anyone who is shocked needs a reality check. The real question is how this will impact us long term; is it the end or the beginning? Welcome to the next four years people! I expect pork to be the norm going forward, so hang on for the ride. |
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Re: What's left?
said by me1212 :some areas can't get 768k for less than $80 a month, i'm one of the people there, I would LOVE 2m for $50 or less. I don't get it. If the market in your area is so sparse that it costs $80/month for 768K, what is the problem? You choose to live there.
Why are the taxpayers supposed to subsidize you? |
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wifi4milez
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| said by elray :said by me1212 :some areas can't get 768k for less than $80 a month, i'm one of the people there, I would LOVE 2m for $50 or less. I don't get it. If the market in your area is so sparse that it costs $80/month for 768K, what is the problem? You choose to live there. Why are the taxpayers supposed to subsidize you? Because he voted for Obama, thats why. 
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me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO | I cannot vote, yet not 18, also I never said the tax payer should help, just that I want less costly internet. BTW I would have voted for Mcain. |
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wifi4milez
Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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| said by me1212 :I cannot vote, yet not 18, also I never said the tax payer should help, just that I want less costly internet. BTW I would have voted for Mcain. You might not want to hear this, but if you think there is enough market for high speed internet where you live start your own WISP. If you really feel there is demand, you can purchase 'wisp in a box' kits for a few thousand bucks (even less for lower quality/home brew gear).
As for McCain, I voted for him too even though I would have preferred a better candidate. 
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