KrK
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| I still don't understand why they want to charge you---
... when your own broadband is what supports the calls and data. You're paying them and doing their job for them. They charge you for the phones, and you pay for the broadband connection, and now they want to charge you again for using either. Sheesh. I guess I could see an equipment charge or a small monthly fee, but a "Service plan"? Gimmie a break.
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en102
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| I agree... it should be a monthly add on of $5-$10/month.
The only reason that I could see them wanting a contract is due to unlimited calling... and then again... it should be no more than $5-$10/month.
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Tobester
join:2000-11-14
San Francisco, CA
| reply to KrK
"Verizon's system doesn't support 3G data, calls made via broadband still count against your minutes,....."
WOW, that's incredible. Verizon has some gall to bill you wireless minutes when you are connected via your own broadband service. In effect, passing off the cost of network capacity expansion onto the femtocell user.
Heck, I only pay 2.5 cents a minute for anywhere in the USA with POTS service and have extensions in every room.  |
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David
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| said by Tobester  :WOW, that's incredible. Verizon has some gall to bill you wireless minutes when you are connected via your own broadband service. In effect, passing off the cost of network capacity expansion onto the femtocell user. I know I was wondering if anyone else caught that or was it just me.
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Matt
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| reply to KrK
said by KrK :... when your own broadband is what supports the calls and data. You're paying them and doing their job for them. They charge you for the phones, and you pay for the broadband connection, and now they want to charge you again for using either. Sheesh. I guess I could see an equipment charge or a small monthly fee, but a "Service plan"? Gimmie a break. You're only doing part of the work for them as they still have to route your call on the back-end (call termination). Since no cell phone carrier guarantees service indoors, this is a neat feature. It all depends on how expensive per month it is, especially the unlimited plans they refer to. |
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA | reply to David
I'd rather have Verizon's option. I don't need more minutes. I need my phone to work reliably at home, and I don't want a higher fee for the privilege.
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ISurfTooMuch
join:2007-04-23
Tuscaloosa, AL
| reply to David
I caught it. And I could almost live with it if the device was free, but it costs $250. So VZW is asking people to PAY to fix their coverage issues. And, for that $250, all you get is a stronger signal--minus EVDO--and you use your Internet connection to transport the call. What a deal! |
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wifi4milez
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| reply to djrobx
said by djrobx :I'd rather have Verizon's option. I don't need more minutes. I need my phone to work reliably at home, and I don't want a higher fee for the privilege. I totally agree. In fact, the only reason I didnt buy (or demand for free  ) a Sprint unit was that they require you to pay more money each month to have it. I have more minutes than I could ever use in a given month, and I have no interest in paying another $5, $10, or $20 a month to my cell phone provider. Verizon's femtocell business model is perfect in my opinion, you pay one time for the device and then just use your minutes as usual.
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Matt
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| reply to djrobx
said by djrobx :I'd rather have Verizon's option. I don't need more minutes. I need my phone to work reliably at home, and I don't want a higher fee for the privilege. And I have full signal at home, but would love to pay an extra $15-$20 bucks a month not to have to use my cell minutes at home. 6 of one, half-a-dozen of another. ::shrug:: |
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en102
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| reply to djrobx
I agree... if that were the case for me... I'd buy a repeater if I lived in an area of poor service.
I'd be tempted to purchase a repeater for unlimited use (and ditch VoIP/POTS service). I doubt that it would happen the way I'd want it though. I have enough minutes to use up that I don't need any more, and service is good enough for me right now.
You'll get better service sometime this year in your area when they build up Seco Canyon/Copper Hill site, Seco Canyon/Decoro and Seco Canyon near the end this year. |
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JasonOD
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David, you should know better. Here in the states, wireless service charges are based on 'use of network'. Inbound or outbound, data or text, or whether it runs through a femtocell, it's a use of network, so charges apply. If ATT doesn't do this then they are leaving money on the table. |
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Count Zero
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Warner Robins, GA | reply to en102
It shouldn't be an add-on at all. It should be a one-time pay for the hardware cost and then they THANK you for saving them the money of having to build another new tower to give you cell phone coverage. |
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ISurfTooMuch
join:2007-04-23
Tuscaloosa, AL
| reply to JasonOD
But if I'm going to pay for a femtocell and then allow it to use the Internet connection that I pay for, I ought to see something in return. I'm not saying I should get my calls totally free, but I'm offloading my traffic from the nearby cell sites and the carrier's backhauls, and I'm helping them fill a coverage hole in their network, so I ought to get some consideration for that. And, in the case of VZW, I can't even stop others from connecting to my femtocell and using my bandwidth.
If VZW or any other carrier wants to erect a cell site on my property, they have to pay me rent and bring in their own equipment and circuits. With the femtocell arrangement, I get to foot the bill for all of this. Sounds like a pretty sweet deal for the carriers. |
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djrobx
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| reply to Matt
said by Matt :And I have full signal at home, but would love to pay an extra $15-$20 bucks a month not to have to use my cell minutes at home. 6 of one, half-a-dozen of another. ::shrug:: Why do they need to be mutually exclusive options? Offer the hardware, and then offer an "at home unlimited" feature for an additional, optional cost?
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travelguy
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Santa Fe, NM
| reply to Matt
said by Matt :Since no cell phone carrier guarantees service indoors, this is a neat feature. AFAIK, no cell company guarantees service anywhere, indoors or outdoors. All they do is show a general coverage map and tell you to drop their sevice if you don't like it. |
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RockyBB
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Longmont, CO
| reply to djrobx
said by djrobx : Offer the hardware, and then offer an "at home unlimited" feature for an additional, optional cost? That is exactly Sprint's offer. |
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Matt
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| reply to djrobx
said by djrobx :said by Matt :And I have full signal at home, but would love to pay an extra $15-$20 bucks a month not to have to use my cell minutes at home. 6 of one, half-a-dozen of another. ::shrug:: Why do they need to be mutually exclusive options? Offer the hardware, and then offer an "at home unlimited" feature for an additional, optional cost? So you want them to offer the hardware and the service for free? |
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SterlingJ85
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join:2000-11-19
Millville, NJ | reply to ISurfTooMuch
That's correct... BUT if you get a useable EVDO signal from a nearby tower then you can use EVDO while using the 1X(RTT) connection from the femtocell! |
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wifi4milez
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| reply to RockyBB
said by RockyBB :said by djrobx : Offer the hardware, and then offer an "at home unlimited" feature for an additional, optional cost? That is exactly Sprint's offer. No, Sprint requires you have a plan specifically tied to the device. Verizon appears to be just the opposite (no plan required). Hopefully, ATT will realize people might want either, and actually offer both options.
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RockyBB
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| said by wifi4milez :No, Sprint requires you have a plan specifically tied to the device. They don't require me to have a plan to the device. I have a plan with a fee for that plan, and then a monthly fee to use the device .... minutes used on the device don't count against the allowance on the plan. |
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