Matt
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And here come the Anti-Muni trolls!
Regardless, good luck with this project and I sincerely hope for its success! |
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JasonOD
@comcast.net | Ok Matt, I'll bite. Is it really a good ting to have municipalities put local companies out of business? |
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ISurfTooMuch
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Tuscaloosa, AL | Then should a town not launch a public transit system because it might take business from taxicabs? |
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dcurrey
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One thing I know for sure is about 10 years ago our city tried to run its own cable company. More or less FTTN type deal don't know why they just didn't do FTTH. But no matter cost the city Millions to build and maintain. Had to sell it at a major loss to Cinci Bell. It about bankrupted the city.
Only good that came from it was it lowered Time Warners rates to match the cities. Since it was sold off to Cincinnati Bell they have been forced to be competitive.
The prices they are charging are roughly what we pay. Internet speeds are a hell off a lot faster with them however.
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Dogfather
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Laguna Hills, CA | reply to JasonOD
Absolutely, especially when they're nothing but sue happy roadblocks to progress. |
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jimbo2150
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What I think these need to be doing is facilitating competition without bringing physical competition. The governmenet/private funded fiber should be build but no access provided directly by any government agency. Instead they should allow any company who wishes to pay a fee/per X customers for maintenance & bandwidth but allow any company who wants to do so. That will provide the customers a choice of any X provider they wish to go with and without one or two large companies dominating a region with their own infrastructure and preventing other companies from competing in a given region.
Why cant they do that?
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Matt
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said by JasonOD :
Ok Matt, I'll bite. Is it really a good ting to have municipalities put local companies out of business?
If the local company isn't providing an adequate service and refuses to, absolutely. |
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Matt
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said by jimbo2150  :What I think these need to be doing is facilitating competition without bringing physical competition. The governmenet/private funded fiber should be build but no access provided directly by any government agency. Instead they should allow any company who wishes to pay a fee/per X customers for maintenance & bandwidth but allow any company who wants to do so. That will provide the customers a choice of any X provider they wish to go with and without one or two large companies dominating a region with their own infrastructure and preventing other companies from competing in a given region. Why cant they do that? You just described UTOPIA.
The problem with this model, is the Comcasts, AT&Ts, and Time Warners of the world don't have exclusive access to your eyes, ears, and wallet, so they don't like this idea. |
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ISurfTooMuch
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One way to do this would be to build a network and connect every residence and business at no charge. That connection would get you access to local government Web sites (offering extensive e-services), video access to local public access channels, and telephone access to 911 and local government offices. That's it. For a small fee, you could get access to anything on the local fiber network, and, if you wanted TV, Internet, and phone service, you could contract with any provider who has connected to the network. |
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whosmatt
join:2005-02-28
Raleigh, NC | reply to JasonOD
Why would this put a local company out of business? |
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dcplaya
@ge.com | reply to dcurrey
Where do you live in Cincinnati? I have never heard anything like that being tried around the Cincinnati area? Also, if they sold a TV infrastructure to CB then why does CB offer DirectTV? |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
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said by JasonOD :
Ok Matt, I'll bite. Is it really a good ting to have municipalities put local companies out of business?
comcast, ATT and time-warner are local companies? Just poor, struggling, small footprint local companies? |
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NetAdmin
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said by JasonOD :
Ok Matt, I'll bite. Is it really a good ting to have municipalities put local companies out of business? Okay, I'll bite. First, from the article:
The user notes that the local cable competitor is Bresnan Communications. Doing a bit of digging on Bresnan's site yields:
Today, Bresnan Communications operates in Colorado, Montana, Wyoming and Utah. and
Corporate Headquarters
Bresnan Communications
One Manhattanville Road
Purchase, NY 10577-2596
914.641.3300
Bresnan isn't a local company, they are headquartered in New York,. The community is better off running its own network to keep the money local.
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wifi4milez
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said by Matt :said by jimbo2150 :What I think these need to be doing is facilitating competition without bringing physical competition. The governmenet/private funded fiber should be build but no access provided directly by any government agency. Instead they should allow any company who wishes to pay a fee/per X customers for maintenance & bandwidth but allow any company who wants to do so. That will provide the customers a choice of any X provider they wish to go with and without one or two large companies dominating a region with their own infrastructure and preventing other companies from competing in a given region. Why cant they do that? You just described UTOPIA. The problem with this model, is the Comcasts, AT&Ts, and Time Warners of the world don't have exclusive access to your eyes, ears, and wallet, so they don't like this idea. The other problem is that Utopia was a money pit, and thats why it failed. Since it was basically managed by a municipality that had no idea what they were doing, they blew through the allocated money with no real planning. A private company on the other hand, is typically more inclined to watch their bottom line since (without these outrageous bailouts!) going out of business is the end of the line.
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JazzJRabbit
join:2003-09-27
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said by JasonOD :
Ok Matt, I'll bite. Is it really a good ting to have municipalities put local companies out of business?
If municipality can provide better service for lesser price without using any taxpayer money it means that it's more efficient than local companies. So hell yes it should. |
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Transmaster
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said by JasonOD :
Ok Matt, I'll bite. Is it really a good ting to have municipalities put local companies out of business?
Local Company!? Bresnan Communications is a owned lock stock and barrel by Comcast. So it is rather the reverse
it is the local David taking on Goliath.
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said by Matt :And here come the Anti-Muni trolls! Regardless, good luck with this project and I sincerely hope for its success! I have no problem with well run municipal utilities.
But judging by the waste of taxpayer dollars in my town, plus the bad experiences I've had dealing with NYC DoITT, I think that communications infrastructure should be left up to the private sector. |
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dcurrey
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Lebanon Ohio. Just north of you. Reason they don't do it in Cinci is the lines are laid in Lebanon and I think parts of Turtlecreek township.
See »www.cincinnatibell.com/consumer/tv/cable/
Should also note that Cinci bell always handled the phone side of the service for the city. TW phone service price was much better at the time. Looks like they have pretty much matched it now.
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Astoria, NY | reply to Matt
Congrats to them  I hope this booms into more muni's state-wide. |
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cdru
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said by JasonOD :
Ok Matt, I'll bite. Is it really a good ting to have municipalities put local companies out of business? Do many municipalities of 5500 have local broadband providers that would be put out of business? Yeah, I didn't think so either. |
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