Matt
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Re: must be nice...
said by nasadude  :...to live where there is actual broadband competition. 2 choices equals competition? I guess in the strictest sense it is ... but Time Warner and AT&T definitely love their cozy duopoly.
The Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill area is one of the most affluent/technology-savvy areas in the country and their choices are Road Runner at a laughable 7Mbps/384Kbps or, finally, U-Verse.
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nasadude
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Rockville, MD | it's better than the 1 choice I have.
I live in the Washington DC metro area in Maryland. |
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fiberguy
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Yea.. 2 choices equals competition.. better than 3 or 4 where you wind up with 2 of them going bankrupt.
Time to stop living in a utopia, wake up, and smell the roses. This desire to have so many choices in broadband only means disaster in the long run. The system does NOT support having that many providers.
And I beg to differ about Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill as being one of the most affluent/technology savvy areas in the country. Seriously, where are you getting that?
Money doesn't always equate savvy. Been there, lived there, glad to get out of there, ...can't agree with you at all. |
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Matt
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| said by fiberguy :Yea.. 2 choices equals competition.. better than 3 or 4 where you wind up with 2 of them going bankrupt. Time to stop living in a utopia, wake up, and smell the roses. This desire to have so many choices in broadband only means disaster in the long run. The system does NOT support having that many providers. And I beg to differ about Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill as being one of the most affluent/technology savvy areas in the country. Seriously, where are you getting that? Money doesn't always equate savvy. Been there, lived there, glad to get out of there, ...can't agree with you at all. Disaster in the long run? Right, because things are working so well right now, correct? We're much better off than we were around 1998 when Time Warner and Bellsouth had to share their lines.
When did you live there, 1902? You do realize that Duke, UNC Chapel-Hill, and N.C. State are all in that area, not to mention the Research Triangle Park (»www.rtp.org/main/) which is the East Coast home to every major tech and pharmaceutical company in the world. I suggest you look at Page 3 and then the last two pages of this: »www.rtp.org/files/info@rtp/2008_···1608.pdf
If you don't want to read all that, here's a nice listing of just the companies there: »www.rtp.org/files/Maps/2008_rtp_···1408.pdf |
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fiberguy
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| Disaster, yes. Because we all know that Utopia in Utah did so well. We know that all these over builders are just rolling the the dough. We know that the cost to build and deploy a delivery system is just pennies on the dollar to pay for and we know that people are just chomping at the bit to spread the wealth so thin that recouping the cost of deployment in a highly competitive market is nearly impossible and often spells bankruptcy, a merger, or a sale to the very people they tied to compete with.
But, since you live in such an incredibly savvy area, you'd know that already, right?
That small area with research, which I'm well aware of, thank you, is but one small fish in a large pond. Its funny how everyone that wants to be proud of their town says they're the best when they never venture out to look at the rest of the country and see where the majority of what they think they have the best or most of, really is. I don't say that the RD area doesn't have research there, it does.. but to say its the best or tech savvy.. you're talking about industry.. that area also has some of the worst crime and large amount of poverty to go along with it, or have you not come out of your area to realize that?
Maybe the area is known for some research, but maybe it's not known for its business savvy. Or maybe you just don't realize it.
The game isn't about you and any particular person and what speed they want to surf MySpace, ebay, and Torrents at.. it's about having an honest system that can be sustained in OUR markets and OUR economy... not some other countries, not some "vision" of what it should be, nor where you think it should be.
In the end, its about surviving the incredible horrible economy we are in right now and pushing out 50megs to the house really isn't on the top of everyone's list knowing that people aren't spending the money, the consumer that is, who's spending makes up about 65% of the national budget.
On a final note.. who cares about 1998 and TWC and Bell South.. News flash.. NO ONE HAS MONEY TO SPEND RIGHT NOW! ..and broadband to your home, and competition, and the sorts, are not really on the top of the list of problems that need to be addressed at this time. Maybe it's yours, and people's here, but in the big picture, this is way so not even close to important right now. Businesses are just looking to survive and make it past this mess. What's in the budgets now is likely what you will see being spent, but if things don't improve, expect that new deployments are likely to slow for a while to come. |
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nasadude
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said by fiberguy :... This desire to have so many choices in broadband only means disaster in the long run. The system does NOT support having that many providers... the car industry must be suffering from the same problem. |
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Matt
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While I appreciate the effort you put into your response, I find it incredibly biased, myopic, and full of accusations and assumptions, so I won't even bother to reply to any of the points you raised. It's pretty obvious you'd just make further outlandish assumptions and steer the subject away from any conversation based in an objective reality. |
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Tsume
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said by Matt :said by nasadude :...to live where there is actual broadband competition. 2 choices equals competition? I guess in the strictest sense it is ... but Time Warner and AT&T definitely love their cozy duopoly. The Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill area is one of the most affluent/technology-savvy areas in the country and their choices are Road Runner at a laughable 7Mbps/384Kbps or, finally, U-Verse. Wow. I get Embarq and Comcast, and Orlando apparently has the 3rd fastest growing tech-industry. At least ... sometime... we will have 50/10, =p
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Raliegh- Durham has the largest per capita number of PHDs in the world.
Raleigh-Durham usually ranks near the top in Internet usage in the country. FYI- I worked for a Silicon Valley company that launched it's online business there because of this. |
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fiberguy
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You betchya! |
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fiberguy
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said by nasadude :said by fiberguy :... This desire to have so many choices in broadband only means disaster in the long run. The system does NOT support having that many providers... the car industry must be suffering from the same problem. You ARE joking with that one, right?!
The American auto industry has nothing to do with broadband. It's much to do with union bosses getting someone that puts wheel lug-nuts on for 80K a year with full medical benefits paid, for starters. Compare GM with Toyota - same number of cars sold, only one company is billions in debt, and the other is billions in worth. Don't be silly.. and also stop thinking that everything in the world compares to broadband.
The auto industry has plenty of room for the competition that it does. You have buyers that can come from all over to make a choice, and even buy more than one. In broadband, it's one home, one account, one provider..
I could continue to squash this notion, but I'm not sure its necessary. |
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fiberguy
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What does a PHD and internet usage have to do with each other? I can show you people with doctrines degrees and they are still stuck using AOL because its all they know. |
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