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Re: Fairness?
said by pnh102  :How is this stupid tax fair? The voters at least got to vote on it. Many times taxes are imposed without any voter involvement at all. Just because the voters are stupid doesn't make it unfair.
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| said by TKJunkMail : Just because the voters are stupid doesn't make it unfair. BINGO! Very nice quote, man |
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said by TKJunkMail :The voters at least got to vote on it. Many times taxes are imposed without any voter involvement at all. Just because the voters are stupid doesn't make it unfair. Here in Oklahoma, a bill was passed into law that made most tax increases, new taxes, etc have to be a ballot before the people.
It was sold as a way to make new taxes "more fair", "Respect the will of the majority", "Reign in pork-barrel spending", etc etc, and the like.
Boy, were they wrong. It's been a massive boon to politicians and budgets. When the politicians voted in taxes before, they were held in the hot seat and many feared voter backlash at the voting box.
With the new system, a vast majority of the time, *the new taxes are approved by the voters.*
It's just a matter of a sell-job, you see... put in certain hot-button issues, throw in the Police, Fire, Ambulance, Flood Control, Education, etc into the proposal and you'll get it passed by voters every time. Taxes to build factories and so on to give to large mega-corps for the promise of some jobs--- passed. Sports arenas, convention centers, what have you--- passed. Special new taxes to fix streets and bridges--- passed.... etc etc etc
We keep voting in bond issues, sales taxes, and other speciality taxes.... hell the voters even raise their own utility rates.
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1 edit | You'd like living in down in Eastern OK. That isn't the case down this way (used to live in Sequoyah Co.). Almost every tax vote is turned down. Officials scream bloody murder saying the police and schools will have to shut down...don't matter....still fails anyway...  |
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| said by N10Cities :You'd like living in down in Eastern OK. That isn't the case down this way (used to live in Sequoyah Co.). Almost every tax vote is turned down. Officials scream bloody murder saying the police and schools will have to shut down...don't matter....still fails anyway... It is good that there are some people who are smart enough to not fall for those threats. In most parts of the country, tax hikes get passed because the government always threatens to close schools, police stations, fire companies, etc. and the people always cave.
Personally I think any politician who makes such a threat should be removed from office because they are admitting they cannot do the job for which they were elected.
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Keep in mind that most potential voters don't vote anyway. Hell, most of them don't even know about the proposals until after their tax increases.
In a way it's a wrapped system. Let's say 80% of the population doesn't want tax increases, but only 20% of the population votes - and out of this 20% more than 10% want the tax increase - you get a tax increase passed "by popular vote" when only 10% of the population actually agrees to it. |
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