Re: WHISPr in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21520551 en Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:36:21 EDT Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:36:21 EDT Re: WHISPr http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21525372 ptrowski :
said by PolarBear See Profile :

Not criminal, just very restrictive. The way Apple forces you to buy apps from the app store is akin to Ford requiring me to buy a new car stereo or air freshener or auxiliary lights from the dealer.

If I pay that much for a car, I'll get my car toys from any source I damn well please. Likewise with my phone. I paid for it, don't tell me what I can and cannot install on it.
I have tried some of the additional apps for the Blackberry and was far from impressed. Plus a boatload of them were WAY overpriced.

Thanks but no thanks.
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»basicstate.com/htm/page.htm ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21521250 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:28:39 EDT Re: WHISPr http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21522946 Necronomikro :
said by PolarBear See Profile :

said by easonin See Profile :

said by PolarBear See Profile :

So how do you send someone a picture who doesn't get email on their phone?
What I do is send the pic via email on my iPhone to their phonenumber@mms.mycingular.com for att. hits their phone like mms. I dont know anyone who doesn't have att though, so the other carriers might do it differently.
I was waiting for someone to come up with that totally inconvenient idea.

So then how would I do that to a T-mobile customer, or Verizon, Sprint, Cricket, Altell, Unicel, Boost, or Virgin customer? Sure, the ways are there, but are you really going to have that info on hand when you go to send someone something?

In true Apple style, they made it a major pain in the ass to do something very simple (as was the entire point of this thread - needing another only-temporarily-free app to circumvent an otherwise extremely annoying process simply to use wifi).
I just add email contacts to their contacts with the @mms.whatever for their company. *shrug*]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21522946 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:20:50 EDT Re: WHISPr http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21522204 ptrowski : I jailbroke my phone so I could customize it in many ways that cannot be done via the original phone, yes. I like to change my carrier name to whatever I want, etc.

But the wifi point was not the original point you were trying to make....
"Shhh, don't say stuff like that to the iPhone fanboys, they'll shun you. And don't tell them that Blackberries have MMS capability and true push email, either. "

No wifi mention there. Your point was to start a flamewar. Also there are very few wifi enabled Blackberries on AT&T.

Look, you got your anti iPhone post in, good for you. My point has been I have tried both, and for me and some others mentioned here the iPhone outperforms the Blackberry. We have tried both, and can make educated posts based on our experiences. You just want to dig on a phone you have not even tried and a carrier you don't even have.

On the 3G side, the phone doesn't magically stop working when not in a 3G area, so my service works everywhere I go. The difference is in your area I could chose between 3g or not. You cannot.
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If I pay that much for a car, I'll get my car toys from any source I damn well please. Likewise with my phone. I paid for it, don't tell me what I can and cannot install on it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21522184 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:00:16 EDT Re: WHISPr http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21522165 PolarBear : Good straw argument. Here's a better one:

100% of Apple iPhones have wifi.
100% of BB Curves have wifi.

What's that? Oh yeah, I'm comparing ONE model of Apple phone to ONE model of Blackberry phone. Why is that? Oh yeah, Apple is so sophisticated and good at making phones that they've only made one so far.

The most comprehensive list I can find shows 47 different Blackberry models, four of which have wifi. So really, 4 times as many Blackberry phones have wifi than Apple phones.

EDIT: I didn't count the iPhone and iPhone 3G as separate phones, as the 3G was simply a re-release of the original, with one more feature. Definitely not a separate model.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21522165 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:56:45 EDT Re: WHISPr http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21522126 Dogfather : LOL. I can't install all the apps "I want" on a BB either. And sure, the Storm, the Voyager, the Instinct, even the G1...none of these touch screen phones are competitor attempts to copy the iPhone. Yer laughable.

Meanwhile sure, Ford and GM aren't trying to copy Mercedes with every model they make but you don't think Cadillac is trying to copy the M5 with their CTS-V or that the LS430 wasn't taking styling cues from the S-Class? Please. There are standards setters like the iPhone and there is everyone else with their copy machines like RIM and Microsoft.

The fact is the iPhone is a huge success in the marketplace simply because in reality it does "just work". And what started with Apple outselling all WM handsets combined in the US, now has Apple outselling RIM. Of course competitors are going to respond by copying it whether it's RIM with the Storm or competing wireless companies like Verizon with the Voyager. Get over it fact that all the naysayers who were claiming that the iPhone would be the next Newton were flat wrong as wrong could be.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21522126 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:51:47 EDT Re: WHISPr http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21522082 PolarBear :
said by Dogfather See Profile :

Yeah, cause we all know that "Apple likes to make things difficult". Your idea of "facts" leave quite a bit to be desired there sport. Just because Apple is now outselling RIM doesn't mean you need to get all bent out of shape.

I guess you're the very few to seems to think the iPhone is a difficult handset to use....do difficult that the entire industry, including RIM is scrambling to copy it.
I don't think the phone itself is difficult to use. The touch interface is awesome. But the process for logging in to wifi, the lack of MMS, and the fact that you have to hack your phone to install the apps you want certainly makes things difficult.

Nobody is scrambling to copy it; touchscreen phones have been out far longer than the iPhone. Yes, they did make an exceptionally nice interface, but that doesn't mean they're being copied. By that standard, Diamler, Maybach, Peugeot, Olds and Ford all scrambled to copy Benz. Yet, not all cars look like Benz's, now do they? Maybe that's because Benz didn't make the best car out there; likewise with Apple. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21522082 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:44:12 EDT Re: WHISPr http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21521987 PolarBear : Yes, you have to modify (read=hack) your iPhone in a manner not recommended by Apple and which voids your warranty, just to run the programs you want on it.

Not so with WinMo or BB. If there's a program out there for WinMo or BB, I can run it, no special warranty-voiding required. I don't have to worry about bricking my phone, and I don't have to worry about the manufacturer pushing an update that reverts my phone back to it's unhacked state.

And yes I understand that AT&T may offer wifi in more places that T-mo, but that wasn't the point I was trying to make. What I (and the article) was saying was that although they do offer it, they make it a pain in the ass. When T-mo offers free wifi for my BB, I don't have to do anything. It just works. The Starbucks idea was simply an example.

I will agree that 3G is nice - the more speed the better. But I like my service to work everywhere I go, not just when I'm in the middle of a major metro area. Paying considerably more to use a feature in 5% of the country doesn't make sense to me. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21521987 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:27:39 EDT Re: WHISPr http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21521973 ptrowski :
said by PolarBear See Profile :

said by beaups See Profile :

I understand that part. but once it connects and you launch your browser, do you have to "sign-in" or everything just automatically works?
Everything works. No click-through pages, no signing in. I don't have to do ANYTHING (except make sure the phone is turned on). I even get to make unlimited calls that don't use my allotment of minutes.

T-mo doesn't treat it's customers like criminals for using their products like ATT/Apple do with the iPhone (app store, anyone?).
So the app store is criminal now? Great!
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said by beaups See Profile :

I understand that part. but once it connects and you launch your browser, do you have to "sign-in" or everything just automatically works?
Everything works. No click-through pages, no signing in. I don't have to do ANYTHING (except make sure the phone is turned on). I even get to make unlimited calls that don't use my allotment of minutes.

T-mo doesn't treat it's customers like criminals for using their products like ATT/Apple do with the iPhone (app store, anyone?).
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said by cbrigante2 See Profile :

What's up with your 3G icon?
Yep, jailbroken. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21521907 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:13:02 EDT Re: WHISPr http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21521895 beaups : jailbroken...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21521895 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:11:23 EDT Re: WHISPr http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21521891 beaups : I understand that part. but once it connects and you launch your browser, do you have to "sign-in" or everything just automatically works?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21521891 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:10:55 EDT Re: WHISPr http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21521885 cbrigante2 : What's up with your 3G icon? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21521885 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:09:37 EDT Re: WHISPr http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21521879 PolarBear : Yes. The T-mo Curve come pre-configured with the access point saved. If it's in range, it connects all on it's own. Surprised the hell out of me one day when it said it was connected to a T-mo HotSpot, then I looked across the freeway and saw a Starbucks. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21521879 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:08:56 EDT Re: WHISPr http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21521697 beaups : and you don't have to log into the hotspot or anything? it just connects and works immediately?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21521697 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:39:36 EDT Re: WHISPr http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21521452 ptrowski : I did not say it was needed, I said to get the same FEATURES such as OTA calednar synce, Exchange folders etc BES was needed. Again, you missed the point.

This is talking about the AT&T spots, you are talking about one. Next time you head to Mcdonalds let me know how the T-Mobile Curve works there on the free wifi, will you?

I have not tried to connect to a wifi spot at Starbucks, so you have me there as to if it will connect directly or not. My known networks I have, no issues at all.

I threw out the 3G there as the topic you started was off topic. Why else would you, a T-Mobile Curve user, comment in the thread about the iPhone/AT&T other than to derail it? So I figured I would talk about 3G. I get 3G coverage all around my area (of course not at my house, I have wifi for that). So I guess it sucks to be in part of the 95% that doesn't have the coverage, now doesn't it? Once you try 3G you won't go back. I added a screenshot for you (can your Curve do that) so you can see.

So I will give you that the iPhone doesn't have true MMS capability. Nice one, captain obvious. So care to explain about how the iPhone doesn't have true push email? Seems to work extremely well here.

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3G is nice....
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21521452 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:00:13 EDT Re: WHISPr http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21521439 Authority :
said by PolarBear See Profile :

So how do you send someone a picture who doesn't get email on their phone?
I don't even know anyone who doesn't get email on their phone, but I guess if you wanted to send a picture using MMS to a child or grand parent with an "old" phone you could use SwirlyMMS... it works great. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21521439 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:57:35 EDT Re: WHISPr http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21521417 Dogfather : Yeah, cause we all know that "Apple likes to make things difficult". Your idea of "facts" leave quite a bit to be desired there sport. Just because Apple is now outselling RIM doesn't mean you need to get all bent out of shape.

I guess you're the very few to seems to think the iPhone is a difficult handset to use....do difficult that the entire industry, including RIM is scrambling to copy it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21521417 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:51:58 EDT Re: WHISPr http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21521382 PolarBear : I know, I back up my arguments with facts. I'm SUCH a troll. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21521382 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:45:00 EDT Re: WHISPr http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21521377 PolarBear :
said by beaups See Profile :

I'm confused. ARe you stating that with your blackberry you are getting FREE AT&T wi-fi hotspot service? with no login requirement? I thought that was an iphone only deal...please clarify
Yes. Yes I am. With my T-MOBILE Blackberry, no less. From »www.starbucks.com/retail/wireless.asp:
Current T-Mobile subscribers Continue to enjoy full internet access at Starbucks stores , through a roaming agreement with AT&T. T-Mobile customers will not incur extra charges to use the Starbucks/AT&T network.

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100% of iPhones have 802.11x wireless.

Thank you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21521369 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:43:11 EDT Re: WHISPr http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21521361 PolarBear :
said by ptrowski See Profile :

No, Exchange servers are not free, obviously. But since we already had Exchange for years, once I got my iPhone I did not have to either forward my email along, tether to my laptop to get my calendar updates, and I can view my folders directly on the device. We did NOT have to purchase anything extra. That was my point which obviously escaped you.
I did not escape me, it was simply moot. I understand that you already had them, but MY point was, you still needed them, thus negating the argument that a Blackberry needs BES. And a blackberry doesn't even need BES; BIS (i.e. your carrier's data plan) works just fine.
said by ptrowski See Profile :

how does that Curve connect to the free AT&T spots? Oh wait...It can't
It connects to the wifi at Starbucks which all T-mo and AT&T customers can connect to. From »www.starbucks.com/retail/wireless.asp:
Current T-Mobile subscribers Continue to enjoy full internet access at Starbucks stores , through a roaming agreement with AT&T. T-Mobile customers will not incur extra charges to use the Starbucks/AT&T network.
The difference between you and me is my Curve connects automatically, your iPhone, well, that's the reason for this thread.

3g is pointless to me on any carrier with any phone, as I don't live in an area with 3g (which is the problem with 3G-very limited deployment). Yes I understand that is somewhat of a straw-man argument, however it's yet another reason I laugh at guys like you who ran out and bought a 3G iPhone - you can only use 3G in about 5% of the USA. That's like buying a Veyron (a car that goes well over 200mph) - Except for West Texas, you'll never get the chance to take it over 75mph.

said by ptrowski See Profile :

You threw in MMS about something not even remotely related to the topic
Apparently you missed my original post which started this sub-thread:
said by PolarBear See Profile :

And don't tell them that Blackberries have MMS capability and true push email, either.
So no, I wasn't off-topic. I was sticking to the topic I started.
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said by PolarBear See Profile :

I don't know how you had email set up on your Curve (whether through BES or BIS), but I receive my Gmail on my Curve a few seconds before it shows up on Gmail's own webpage. And unless you have Outlook set up with an exchange server, the most Outlook can check for new emails is every minute, which means if you recieve a new email 5 seconds after it gets done checking, then of course your iPhone will notify you of a new message first. It has a 55 second head start.

said by ptrowski See Profile :



We don't use BES here, but when I was having trouble getting my work email setup the AT&T rep transfered me right to RIM who got it working. Everyone else here has to forward their Exchange email to a gmail, yahoo etc account to get it.
That comment confuses me. Are you referring to your Curve or iPhone? If you're referring to your Curve, then you're saying it worked fine, contradicting all your other statements. If you're referring to your iPhone and you don't use BES, why would the AT&T rep transfer you to RIM?

And if everyone else has to forward their Exchange mail, sounds like someone set up the server incorrectly, not a device error or shortcoming.

said by ptrowski See Profile :

Not having to pay for BES no matter how many iPhones are used here.
So, Exchange servers are free?

It seems to me that you're arguing business use vs personal use, rather than iPhone vs other phone.

And the MMS statement? Still valid, as the iPhone is the only currently produced phone in the US that I am aware of that doesn't have it. Even the free POS phones that you can get have it. While the rest of the world is out there sending pictures back and forth, you're stuck... hoping the recipient checks their email.
I used a Curve and use an iPhone for retrieving my Yahoo and Exchange/Outlook email. We do NOT have a BES license. We do also use OWA to get email if need be.

When I got my Curve, I tried to set it up using the OQA information. I could not do it and my IT guy was on vacation, so I called AT&T. The AT&T rep could not get it working, so they transferred me to RIM. RIM was able to set me up. What I would notice though is that I would get the notification on my Blackberry later, sometimes by 30 seconds or sometimes 3-5 minutes) than when Exchange/Outlook would notify me that it had arrived. Not that big of a deal as that was my first real smartphone. It did work, but there was a delay.

For some reason other users here cannot get it set up the same way. They have to set up autoforwarding from Outlook to an external address. That's 8 other people that have to forward it along to an external address as we have not purchased the BES. We would also have to sync up every day to get our calendar events. More a pain than anything else.

No, Exchange servers are not free, obviously. But since we already had Exchange for years, once I got my iPhone I did not have to either forward my email along, tether to my laptop to get my calendar updates, and I can view my folders directly on the device. We did NOT have to purchase anything extra. That was my point which obviously escaped you.

I am not arguing business vs personal as I had slow email delivery on my Yahoo address and my Exchange/Outlook email. I have used both devices in the exact same setup and have found in both cases for ME the iphone delivered my email faster, synced my calendar and folders, and I could view my daily attachments in the way they were sent. We cut and paste Excell worksheets here and they never displayed properly on the Curve.

I am giving you my real world experiences with both devices in the same set up. Have you done the same or are you just here to bitch about something you have not used?

Right, MMS on the iPhone is a pain. Since we coould stay on topic, how does that Curve connect to the free AT&T spots? Oh wait...It can't, and you don't even use the carrier or phone mentioned. How is 3G on that Curve? Oh wait, it's not capable. How do web pages look on the Curve? Pretty crappy! You threw in MMS about something not even remotely related to the topic, so I guess I will do the same.

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said by ptrowski See Profile :



We don't use BES here, but when I was having trouble getting my work email setup the AT&T rep transfered me right to RIM who got it working. Everyone else here has to forward their Exchange email to a gmail, yahoo etc account to get it.
That comment confuses me. Are you referring to your Curve or iPhone? If you're referring to your Curve, then you're saying it worked fine, contradicting all your other statements. If you're referring to your iPhone and you don't use BES, why would the AT&T rep transfer you to RIM?

And if everyone else has to forward their Exchange mail, sounds like someone set up the server incorrectly, not a device error or shortcoming.

said by ptrowski See Profile :

Not having to pay for BES no matter how many iPhones are used here.
So, Exchange servers are free?

It seems to me that you're arguing business use vs personal use, rather than iPhone vs other phone.

And the MMS statement? Still valid, as the iPhone is the only currently produced phone in the US that I am aware of that doesn't have it. Even the free POS phones that you can get have it. While the rest of the world is out there sending pictures back and forth, you're stuck... hoping the recipient checks their email.
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said by easonin See Profile :

said by PolarBear See Profile :

So how do you send someone a picture who doesn't get email on their phone?
What I do is send the pic via email on my iPhone to their phonenumber@mms.mycingular.com for att. hits their phone like mms. I dont know anyone who doesn't have att though, so the other carriers might do it differently.
I was waiting for someone to come up with that totally inconvenient idea.

So then how would I do that to a T-mobile customer, or Verizon, Sprint, Cricket, Altell, Unicel, Boost, or Virgin customer? Sure, the ways are there, but are you really going to have that info on hand when you go to send someone something?

In true Apple style, they made it a major pain in the ass to do something very simple (as was the entire point of this thread - needing another only-temporarily-free app to circumvent an otherwise extremely annoying process simply to use wifi). ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21520911 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:09:40 EDT Re: WHISPr http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21520885 ptrowski :
said by easonin See Profile :

said by PolarBear See Profile :

So how do you send someone a picture who doesn't get email on their phone?
What I do is send the pic via email on my iPhone to their phonenumber@mms.mycingular.com for att. hits their phone like mms. I dont know anyone who doesn't have att though, so the other carriers might do it differently.
Thanks easonin, I totally forgot about being able to do that, thanks!
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said by PolarBear See Profile :

So how do you send someone a picture who doesn't get email on their phone?
What I do is send the pic via email on my iPhone to their phonenumber@mms.mycingular.com for att. hits their phone like mms. I dont know anyone who doesn't have att though, so the other carriers might do it differently.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21520880 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:02:54 EDT Re: WHISPr http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21520874 cbrigante2 :
said by Hooper See Profile :

You can use BlackBerry Internet Service to get email from Exchange. BIS is included with your data plan.
Good to know. Thanks. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21520874 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:01:04 EDT Re: WHISPr http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21520862 pabster : "I have had both, used both for work and leisure, and for me the iPhone beats the Blackberry."

Ditto.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21520862 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:59:28 EDT Re: WHISPr http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21520720 ptrowski :
said by PolarBear See Profile :

So how do you send someone a picture who doesn't get email on their phone?
I send it to their email address and they can get it when they get it. MMS would be nice, but all my pictures get uploaded to a website that they can view anyways, so for me it isn't a deal breaker.

But I was responding to your email post. No comments or is MMS the best you could pull out?
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"So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb."

Have you been touched by his noodly appendage? »www.venganza.org]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21520720 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:37:33 EDT Re: WHISPr http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21520706 PolarBear : So how do you send someone a picture who doesn't get email on their phone?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21520706 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:35:22 EDT Re: WHISPr http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21520688 ptrowski :
said by PolarBear See Profile :

For the casual non-business user (which most iPhone owners are) a simple data plan on the Blackberry (that any smart phone would need to use it's smart features) gets me my email just fine.

Exchange is for business customers whose employers pay for their phones anyway. Apples to oranges, my friend.
Interstingly enough, my email (both work and personal) hits my iPhone instantly which was not the case when I used my Curve. I get the notification on the iPhone before Outlook gets the emails also.

We don't use BES here, but when I was having trouble getting my work email setup the AT&T rep transfered me right to RIM who got it working. Everyone else here has to forward their Exchange email to a gmail, yahoo etc account to get it. The replies come from that address and to me it looks kind of silly.

Being a small company we don't pay for everyone's phones. So in my case it is Apples to Apples. I payed for my Blackberry, and I paid for my iPhone. Since everything is not routed through the RIM server I get it emails before Outlook registers them, and sometimes minutes before my Blackberry compadres here.

Another good thing I feel about using the iPhone with Exchange is all my calendars and folders sync up, so no more tehtering to the PC to get the updates thatway. Another good thing? Not having to pay for BES no matter how many iPhones are used here.

I have had both, used both for work and leisure, and for me the iPhone beats the Blackberry.
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"So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb."

Have you been touched by his noodly appendage? »www.venganza.org]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21520688 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:33:11 EDT Re: WHISPPrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21520242 anon : or instead of buying a Blackberry, I'll use the IPhone that I already have]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21520242 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:21:14 EDT Re: WHISPr http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21520593 Hooper : You can use BlackBerry Internet Service to get email from Exchange. BIS is included with your data plan. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21520593 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:17:23 EDT Re: WHISPr http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21520578 PolarBear : For the casual non-business user (which most iPhone owners are) a simple data plan on the Blackberry (that any smart phone would need to use it's smart features) gets me my email just fine.

Exchange is for business customers whose employers pay for their phones anyway. Apples to oranges, my friend. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21520578 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:15:09 EDT Re: WHISPr http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21520551 cbrigante2 :
said by PolarBear See Profile :

Shhh, don't say stuff like that to the iPhone fanboys, they'll shun you. :D And don't tell them that Blackberries have MMS capability and true push email, either.
Or that you have to purchase BES to get emails from Exchange. Shhhh.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21520551 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:10:18 EDT Re: WHISPr http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21520450 PolarBear : Shhh, don't say stuff like that to the iPhone fanboys, they'll shun you. :D And don't tell them that Blackberries have MMS capability and true push email, either. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21520450 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:51:35 EDT WISPr http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21519936 Hooper : Or you could grab an AT&T BlackBerry and have the device automtatically roam to any ATT Wifi hotspot automatically without any user intervention at all. It will do the same for any network you define manually as well.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21519936 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:24:19 EDT