Re: Idiots... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21283088 en Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:49:39 EDT Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:49:39 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21295459 rv65 : Most CableCard TV's don't have a USB port so they can't use the tuning resolver. Plus the TV manufacturer would have to make a firmware update. The tuning resolver is free and is much smaller than a cable box. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21295459 Mon, 20 Oct 2008 03:42:02 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21293169 wierdo :
said by jmr50 See Profile :

it still does nothing for the millions of CableCard-enabled TVs out there.
There actually are very few cablecard enabled TVs being used with cards, sadly. The vast majority of them that aren't in MSO owned boxes are in TiVos, by something like a 10 to 1 margin.

That doesn't mean I disagree with your point or think that the tuning resolver is a real solution.

And as a side note, a large part of the reason for that low penetration is the cable companies themselves, leaving out SDV entirely. They misinform customers, many require a truck roll to have them installed, and they have such poor training on them that even when they send out an employee to do the install, it still often either doesn't work or takes hours for them to make it work.

It's really quite ridiculous.
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It's wierdo, not weirdo. Yes, I know that's not the 'proper' spelling of the similar english language word. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21293169 Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:56:45 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21291494 jmr50 : What about my TV? I paid for it, and it has big digital cable ready sticker on it, and now it can't receive a third of the HD channels. Consumers have paid thousands of dollars for equipment which now can't be used as advertised (i.e., without a set-top box). The law which required separable security which didn't require it for just a few channels, it required it for all linear channels. I'm not sure why the law requires it for HDNet but doesn't require it for SciFiHD... and I don't care what they do to make TiVo users happy, it still does nothing for the millions of CableCard-enabled TVs out there.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21291494 Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:25:01 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21291062 wierdo :
said by fiberguy See Profile :

The only thing I said I was upset about the FCC is that they fined TWC 'for not notifying the local Franchise Authority'.. that to me doesn't sit right. The local F/A should be doing the fining, not the FCC. That's almost like a state trooper writing a speeding ticket on a city street and keeping the ticket money.

One thing I'm not is a federalist. I do not believe in Federal government getting involved in the business of the states. I personally feel the FCC needs to get back to dealing with interstate stuff and allocation of frequency and that's it. I don't think they should be involved to the level they are. So, that's what drives about 50% of my anger towards the FCC. Besides, on an unrelated 'rant'.. the FCC has been a gateway to doling out favors to corporations and the bigwigs that run them at the expense of the states and the people where ultimately the top guys get rich and, most importantly, powerful. But anyway.. another topic for another time.
Personally, I'm what I'd call a semi-federalist. There are times when federal intervention is necessary, and there are times when it's useless.

Regardless, I think it's perfectly proper for the FCC to regulate cable companies, especially those that own franchises in several states. That doesn't mean I like how the FCC is being run in general lately. Amongst other things when it comes to big business, they are quite capricious. They treat the cable companies quite differently from the satellite companies, for example, even though the same laws (in general) apply to both.

A good example is this deal of them getting all up in Cox and TWC's shit over the CableCARD thing while letting the satellite companies completely ignore the telecom act's separable security requirement. (they have it, but they won't activate third party boxes)
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It's wierdo, not weirdo. Yes, I know that's not the 'proper' spelling of the similar english language word. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21291062 Sun, 19 Oct 2008 02:26:25 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21291028 mech1164 :
said by fiberguy See Profile :

Putting a dish in a bucket of cement, or attaching it to a mounting pod, commonly sold for satellite positioning, is not "attaching" anything to the sides or tops of the units.

If that person who did just put a dish in a bucket of quickcrete was told to take it down or lose their home, the complex is 100% in violation of FEDERAL law. He'd be protected from eviction on that point alone. The apartment complex could easily be found guilty of violating the rights of the tenants as well if he wanted to press forward - and believe me, it's not hard.

Under no certain terms will I try to encourage or press you to fight for what's right - that's your choice, but I WILL strongly disagree with you that you're with out options because you're not. So I guess I disagree with you on the "I wish it was that easy for us" comment..

What you guys should all do, if I were living there, is file a joint complaint with the Feds regarding the complex violating the law and see what happens. But that's me.
Thing is you are taking it as though we have some common place to place that bucket. We don't It's all owned buy the apt owners. Fed or not we are screwed. It's hard to tell you without a pic. Don't have a camera at the moment. People here have tried many times all with the same result. As far as filing a complaint that's a no go to. Most people here barely know who's next to them. Some I don't want to know.(They are fairly frequented by the local police if you get my meaning)

Put it to you this way. I talk to the salesperson for the complex. Nice lady she is. She asked me about what could be done to improve the apts so that they sell better. She said that there were alot of vacancies lately and people were not as interested in the apts. Oh I told her. Maybe get some proper plumbing, allowing a dishwasher would be nice or a stackable washer dryer along with what we have been talking. She told me the Realty manager thought that some new siding and paint might do. As you can see we have long way to go before the rest of it :o]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21291028 Sun, 19 Oct 2008 02:07:38 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21287112 fiberguy : The only thing I said I was upset about the FCC is that they fined TWC 'for not notifying the local Franchise Authority'.. that to me doesn't sit right. The local F/A should be doing the fining, not the FCC. That's almost like a state trooper writing a speeding ticket on a city street and keeping the ticket money.

One thing I'm not is a federalist. I do not believe in Federal government getting involved in the business of the states. I personally feel the FCC needs to get back to dealing with interstate stuff and allocation of frequency and that's it. I don't think they should be involved to the level they are. So, that's what drives about 50% of my anger towards the FCC. Besides, on an unrelated 'rant'.. the FCC has been a gateway to doling out favors to corporations and the bigwigs that run them at the expense of the states and the people where ultimately the top guys get rich and, most importantly, powerful. But anyway.. another topic for another time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21287112 Sat, 18 Oct 2008 06:36:52 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21286102 anon : We in our early geek stages should have been more aggressive, and now we should be too.

It's ridiculous how much power is given to the phone company and cable networks, not to mention money.

Whats the real difference from hiring a host to having Cox communications or anyone else host your account?

They have access to all of your scripts, people that work for them can plug in a flash drive and steal all of your programming, and there doesn't seem to be an end to all of this.

A beginning would be to script programs that only upload the visual contents and leave the controls on the person's PC.

Another good idea would be to create a program that checks out scripting to insure it doesn't round robin or steal from the person using the script. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21286102 Sat, 18 Oct 2008 00:55:54 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21286732 wierdo :
said by fiberguy See Profile :

What are you talking about? Who EVER said I gave a free pass to anyone in regards to following laws? If you'd get off the heels of my boots and actually read my posts for once, you'd see that just a few hours ago I damned the cable company, TWC, for not properly notifying their customers.

Now you're simply making things up, wierdo.
You were one of the first to complain about the FCC's enforcement action, unless I'm misremembering.
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It's wierdo, not weirdo. Yes, I know that's not the 'proper' spelling of the similar english language word. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21286732 Sat, 18 Oct 2008 00:11:39 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21286639 swintec : In our market, TWs SDV channels are all listed as so on the channel line ups, quite clearly, on there website.
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said by fiberguy See Profile :

said by Dogfather See Profile :

What else would you expect from the resident cable industry spokeshole?
Watch your mouth.

Maybe I should, for fun, launch a law suit against BBR for them allowing you to personally insult and attack me all while they don't enforce their own TOS rules property, yet selectively when it makes their position better.

But anyway, coming back to reality even thought you're not there.. I'm not going to speak to a child who is always here on a rant throwing a temper tantrum.

Did someone take away your tinker toys & stomp them into little pieces today Mr. Communist?
This is the 3rd time I have seen you crying about BBR's TOS. Instead of launching a lawsuit against BBR, which is not funny at all, why don't you move to another site?

Oh, and for the love of god are all your paragraphs one sentence?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21286508 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 23:08:16 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21285658 anon : so what you are saying is that me the consumer who called my cable company to ask if they supported tivo hd, they responded yes so spent $300 on a new tivo, as it conforms with fcc regs that allow me to remove my programs from the dvr, something that most cable company owned boxes make increasingly difficult to do. so when the company knowingly lies to me the consumer they need to be reprimanded, especially when asked specific questions, such as what channels are SDV? Is USAHD SDV? and the answers are either a resounding yes, which is a lie, or I don't know anything about SDV.. So as far a hurting business the company is doing that itself by alienating a percent of their population.
So the consumer isn't the idiot the company is...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21285658 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:33:17 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21285631 anon : Are we talking big mac or the ig and nasty?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21285631 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:28:03 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21285301 fiberguy : What are you talking about? Who EVER said I gave a free pass to anyone in regards to following laws? If you'd get off the heels of my boots and actually read my posts for once, you'd see that just a few hours ago I damned the cable company, TWC, for not properly notifying their customers.

Now you're simply making things up, wierdo.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21285301 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 19:10:16 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21285293 wierdo :
said by fiberguy See Profile :

If that person who did just put a dish in a bucket of quickcrete was told to take it down or lose their home, the complex is 100% in violation of FEDERAL law. He'd be protected from eviction on that point alone. The apartment complex could easily be found guilty of violating the rights of the tenants as well if he wanted to press forward - and believe me, it's not hard.
Hmm..so federal law and its implementing FCC regulations are good when applied to apartment complexes, but not when applied to cable companies? Could you be a bit less consistent?
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It's wierdo, not weirdo. Yes, I know that's not the 'proper' spelling of the similar english language word. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21285293 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 19:08:08 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21285284 wierdo :
said by fiberguy See Profile :

Also, the box you're talking about now is not even a cable card box which isn't a valid comparison to the conversation.

If you're going to start throwing out daggers and bring up comparisons, can you at least bring up some that are valid?

The MAIN topic is about cable card Tivo services that are being knocked off. This sub thread is about a Tivo, on topic, and one year of a service with a cable provider.
I'm talking about CableCARD boxes. What part of that don't you get. Right now, a refurb is available for $179.99. They are sometimes available for $99.99. TiVo always has refurbs available, the only question is at what price they feel like selling it. Brand new, they are available for as low as $199.99, depending on the retailer. That's certainly a valid comparison. It doesn't depend on an eBay deal or anything else, just ordering online.

Looking at the entirety of this thread, I fail to see where anybody but you mentioned 1 year, perhaps you can point me to the specific post. (I have been known to have situational blindness on occasion)

A THD is every bit as valid a comparison as an S3. They're essentially the same box. I know, I have both. I bought an S3 about 19 months ago when my apartment complex switched from DirecTV (which I was using a DirecTiVo with) to cable. I tried the Cox box for a month. It dropped too many recordings and incessantly recorded repeats even when told not to, so I bought something better (for $650).

Around Christmas, when Circuit City had the THD on sale for $249.99, I picked up one of those for the bedroom. They both use CableCARDs. I have no idea where you got the idea I wasn't talking about CableCARD-using TiVos. You seem to have made that up.

That's one of the nice things about not buying the cable company's box. Competition between retailers gets the consumer a lower price on the hardware. If only replay hadn't been run out of business, TiVo might have found the r&d dollars to further reduce the manufacturing cost of their box.
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It's wierdo, not weirdo. Yes, I know that's not the 'proper' spelling of the similar english language word. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21285284 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 19:06:25 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21285276 Dogfather : It is irrelevant if it's a necessary utility. Companies are prohibited from engaging in certain anticompetitive behaviors and in this case the FCC stated the rules well in advance and TWC violated them. Microsoft Windows isn't a utility either, but that doesn't mean Microsoft was allowed to do anything in the marketplace they wanted to the detriment of competitors and consumers.

Take it or leave it are not competitive forces no matter how much the corporate kissasses and coaxial fanboys think they are.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21285276 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 19:04:40 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21285261 cableguy619 : My thing is Telo Tv should comply, btu they cant because of withced digital which they do. Kinda sucks when the government runs your technology....

But heck they will give 700 Billion out to the Insurance and Mortgage companies...errrr

Gov has to much sway in our technology..

Of course we can go the Chinese model all about business 1st..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21285261 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 19:01:36 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21285257 swintec :
said by Dogfather See Profile :

want them you have to pay $20 instead of $10.
Umm...Wanting something, means you also agree with the price, or well, you wouldnt pay it. Judging by your posts here, you need to realize that cable service is not a necessary utility, that MUST be had.
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If that person who did just put a dish in a bucket of quickcrete was told to take it down or lose their home, the complex is 100% in violation of FEDERAL law. He'd be protected from eviction on that point alone. The apartment complex could easily be found guilty of violating the rights of the tenants as well if he wanted to press forward - and believe me, it's not hard.

Under no certain terms will I try to encourage or press you to fight for what's right - that's your choice, but I WILL strongly disagree with you that you're with out options because you're not. So I guess I disagree with you on the "I wish it was that easy for us" comment..

What you guys should all do, if I were living there, is file a joint complaint with the Feds regarding the complex violating the law and see what happens. But that's me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21285217 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:57:24 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21285130 Dogfather : Then what these cable dumbasses to is put those two good channels on two different tiers so if you want them you have to pay $20 instead of $10.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21285130 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:31:29 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21285106 dentman42 :
said by Dogfather See Profile :

Hardly...more like accelerated anti-competitive behavior to force people to rent their overpriced crap hardware. They're in the video business; not the rip you off for shitty DVR business.

If they don't like the rules, they're free to sell their franchises. However they're not allowed to abuse their market position to put customers over a barrel.

Meanwhile they see a bandwidth savings of 50% but don't give any of that to additional HSI channels. Instead, they move to implement caps. F TWC.
To make it fair, they should not be able to encrypt anything except for the premium services (Showtime, HBO, etc.). They should have to keep the digital equivalent of "basic" or as Insight calls it "classic" service (their "basic" is more like lifeline) in the clear. Otherwise, by switching to digital, even if you have a QAM tuner, you're still forced to rent a cable box or cable card (the cable co still owns the cable cards and they still charge a monthly fee for them) to get what they could get without a box on a cable ready TV with an NTSC tuner.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21285106 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:26:15 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21285042 fiberguy : If you will kindly look up in the the OPs were all talking about a 1 year cost of a box.. I joined into that, so I can certainly see how I decided to one year was appropriate. So, to return the favor, I'm going to call YOU on the fact that not one, but twice you've been corrected.

Also, the box you're talking about now is not even a cable card box which isn't a valid comparison to the conversation.

If you're going to start throwing out daggers and bring up comparisons, can you at least bring up some that are valid?

The MAIN topic is about cable card Tivo services that are being knocked off. This sub thread is about a Tivo, on topic, and one year of a service with a cable provider.

Your non-cable card Tivo comparison, used even, is stretching a point way too far that it's broken so bad it can't be repaired.

Try looking up a Tivo Series 3.. and "time to time" in any valid comparison, for any comparison, is NOT a VALID COMPARISON. As a deal hunter, sure.. but when you are comparing two items you take the average. Finding a refurbish from time to time is not average. I could go further and say that I can probably buy a cheap used on on ebay from time to time where no one else saw it and use that as a comparison - because I've actually done that before.

You can reply if you want, but I'm done on this one.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21285042 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:13:03 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21284996 mech1164 :
said by unoriginal See Profile :

I wont quote regulations but will offer a suggestion if you have it available. Do you have a patio or balcony at your place that faces south? You dont need to attach the dish to anything, when I was in an apartment I used a metal fence post, 5 gallon bucket and a bag of quikrete to make a mount for my Directv dish. You could do the same if you face the right way to get a signal, again, just a suggestion.
One word NO! Also they will not allow us to attach anything to the sides or tops of the apt units. Oh and BTW someone did just that with quickcrete and was told in no uncertain terms to take it down or they were out of a place to live. Believe me we have seen it all with this. If I could get a better place i'd be outta here but that's not an option, oh well. I wish it was that easy for us.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21284996 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:01:49 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21284871 magnushsi : I agree that customers are forced to pay for crap they don't watch, but remember, it's not the cable companys that force that. It's the content providers. They are the ones who sell the content to the MSO in bundles. The MSO can definitely eliminate the garbage channels, but they had to pay for them and thus you will as well, so you might as well have them in the lineup. You can pay $10 for 10 channels (8 garbage) or $10 for 2 channels. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21284871 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:33:43 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21284857 wierdo :
said by fiberguy See Profile :

Um... isn't the conversation about 1 year of service?
It became that when you decided one year was an appropriate amortization period for hardware that usually lasts 3 or more years. I called you out on it.

As far as the initial purchase price, one can get TiVo HD refurbs for $99 from time to time. (they are $179 at the moment, though) You can get brand new ones for $199.

Thankfully, NCLB was long after I was out of school. ;)

Edited to add: And FWIW, a refurb TiVo is actually a pretty good comparison to what you get from the cable company, since you often, or even usually, get a box somebody else had before.

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It's wierdo, not weirdo. Yes, I know that's not the 'proper' spelling of the similar english language word. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21284857 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:30:23 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21284634 fiberguy : Since the DVR in question is an HD version, not SD, I'll ignore the price of the SD version of Tivo.

Also, if you want to talk about the Tivo lasting a "few years" then anyone that understands math and LTCO would take the life time of the box fee of $400 divided by the life of the box to get the monthly, the cost of the box itself, divide by total months you have it and there is your monthly fee.

I'm pretty confident in my pricing since I just looked it up on the Tivo site to get my numbers.. Or, does that not meet your needs? I really doubt it does because you're sitting here comparing a completely non-comparable box to make your numbers look better.

Isn't honesty and reality in facts fun?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21284634 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:48:19 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21284617 fiberguy : Um... isn't the conversation about 1 year of service?

If you'd rather, I'd be more than happy to go off topic like 90% of BBR users here and go off on a tangent that means nothing.. I could certainly continue talking about the ongoing fees of Tivo service, combined with the hardware and I bet about 4 years down the road, probably the life of the hardware, it's really still the same price.

Really.. try harder next time. :uhh:

If you'd like me to put words in YOUR mouth incorrectly, what you're really saying is that you're a poster child of Bush's no child left behind policy... and how it doesn't work.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21284617 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:42:28 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21284612 fiberguy :
said by Dogfather See Profile :

What else would you expect from the resident cable industry spokeshole?
Watch your mouth.

Maybe I should, for fun, launch a law suit against BBR for them allowing you to personally insult and attack me all while they don't enforce their own TOS rules property, yet selectively when it makes their position better.

But anyway, coming back to reality even thought you're not there.. I'm not going to speak to a child who is always here on a rant throwing a temper tantrum.

Did someone take away your tinker toys & stomp them into little pieces today Mr. Communist?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21284612 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:40:28 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21284599 wierdo :
said by fiberguy See Profile :

You're correct. I purposely left out the lifetime subscription for my math however, even knowing it would make my numbers higher. I left it out because I wanted to to compare just 12 months of service in this case. ;)
Oh, so you admit to being disingenuous and only amortizing the purchase price of the box over 1 year? Wow.
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It's wierdo, not weirdo. Yes, I know that's not the 'proper' spelling of the similar english language word. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21284599 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:38:30 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21284597 fiberguy : Wow.. so I disagree I am invested in the company or industry.. real good come back.. is that all you have?

Now, before you come here, wierdo, and tell me I know nothing of what I speak of.. the last time I checked, and it was posted here, SDV side cars, dongles, adapters, etc. are in the works of being developed and being brought to market FOR Tivo users so they can continue using their boxes with SDV.

Anything else I can correct you on today?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21284597 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:38:07 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21284594 wierdo :
said by fiberguy See Profile :

Let's also continue the math.

Tivo - $300 - $600 to purchase the box (HD BOX)
Tivo - Service:

Monthly - $12.95
Annual - $129.00 (10.75 mo)
3 Year - $299.00 (8.31 mo)

So, the price range of a Tivo box for one year service:

$62.95 per month (Most expensive options on the high range)
(aka - $755.39 for the first year)

$35.75 per month (Least expensive options on the low range)
(aka - $429.00 for the first year)

This is I guess what you pay for that alleged "premium, non-shitty" DVR service.

I could care less about a guide. Most foremost, I want to call up a show and make it play. When the show is recorded and the show is playing, the guide means nothing to me.

The question that most people ask themselves is usually "how much to watch a show I've recorded".. and the answer shouldn't be anything more than the cost of the DVR itself. Companies like Microsoft have already proven that guide data is not expensive... in fact, it's free.
Or you could buy a refurb for $99 (or a new one for $199) and pay $400 for lifetime service and never pay another dime. (at least for a few years until the box breaks)

You could at least get the pricing right if you're going to attempt to say TiVo is more expensive than a cable company box.

Like most things that don't come from a cable company, you have the option of buying it from the manufacturer and paying too much or buying it from someone who sells it for a reasonable price and paying less. It's called competition. Isn't it grand?
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It's wierdo, not weirdo. Yes, I know that's not the 'proper' spelling of the similar english language word. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21284594 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:37:44 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21284585 fiberguy : You're correct. I purposely left out the lifetime subscription for my math however, even knowing it would make my numbers higher. I left it out because I wanted to to compare just 12 months of service in this case. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21284585 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:35:49 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21284578 Cogdis : Tivo also has an unpublished Lifetime subscription available to different people for different prices. My second lifetime subscription was just $200 (on top of the $300 I had to pay for the Tivo HD). So with TWC I come out ahead after 2 years.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21284578 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:33:41 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21284517 fiberguy :
said by Dogfather See Profile :

The FCC is mandated with regulating cable video operations.
... to a point.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21284517 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:23:02 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21284514 Dogfather : What else would you expect from the resident cable industry spokeshole?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21284514 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:22:18 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21284511 fiberguy : Let's also continue the math.

Tivo - $300 - $600 to purchase the box (HD BOX)
Tivo - Service:

Monthly - $12.95
Annual - $129.00 (10.75 mo)
3 Year - $299.00 (8.31 mo)

So, the price range of a Tivo box for one year service:

$62.95 per month (Most expensive options on the high range)
(aka - $755.39 for the first year)

$35.75 per month (Least expensive options on the low range)
(aka - $429.00 for the first year)

This is I guess what you pay for that alleged "premium, non-shitty" DVR service.

I could care less about a guide. Most foremost, I want to call up a show and make it play. When the show is recorded and the show is playing, the guide means nothing to me.

The question that most people ask themselves is usually "how much to watch a show I've recorded".. and the answer shouldn't be anything more than the cost of the DVR itself. Companies like Microsoft have already proven that guide data is not expensive... in fact, it's free.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21284511 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:21:53 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21284492 wierdo :
said by fiberguy See Profile :

I could care less about Tivo users.. I'm tired of a few people holding up progress for the majority. That's the end of my discussion on that.
After reading your rant below, I shouldn't have been surprised that you wrote this. Maybe you should read the linked findings before spouting off about that which you do not know.

The FCC's problem isn't SDV, the problem is moving existing linear channels to SDV and continuing to charge UDCP users for them and failing to include the correct PSIP data for those now MIA channels.

My problem is the companies making the rules such that competitive hardware makers can't make the sort of boxes the cable companies provide. They're forbidden from making a box that works with SDV and has their own interface? What's up with that?

Are you also against being able to choose which phone you use with your POTS line? (or your cable company provided telephone service)

Should you have to lease your computer from your ISP if you want to get on the Internet?

Your position makes no sense except as someone who either has a vested interest in selling cable companies SDV equipment or someone who works for one.
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said by bufbandit See Profile :

Wow $200 a year for a shitty DVR. The lease fees are usually $5-$7 a month. I guess your math skills are not that sharp. Last I checked TWC does not charge for truck rolls. Verizon does but TWC does not.
You forgot the "DVR fee," champ.
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said by Dogfather See Profile :

This isn't about a video monopoly, this is about hardware and cable operators abusing their market position to fleece customers with horrid overpriced hardware rentals.
... all while Tivo fleece customers with horrid over priced guide subscription fees to which they also sell their ads.

Are you kidding me?

This can be, and should be, just as much about Tivo and their strangle hold on people for the DVR anyway. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21284451 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:12:12 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21284436 wierdo :
said by magnushsi See Profile :

CableCards are all two way capable and have been since day one. The issue with two way has always been about the host device capabilities, NOT the cablecard.
The anticompetitive part is that the CableLabs rules don't allow third party boxes to have their own interface and be two way. If TiVo (as an example), tried to submit such a thing, it wouldn't be approved, so they couldn't sell it.

The only two way boxes allowed are OCAP (err..tru2way) boxes. Supposedly TiVo is optimistic they'll be able to get a dual-mode box approved that runs the cable operator's OCAP interface in one mode and the TiVo software in another, but it hasn't happened as of yet.
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said by Dogfather See Profile :

Yep. They shouldn't be able to abuse their market position by rolling out so-called "technology" that breaks competing products in violation of FCC rules.

Wahhhhh, we're not allowed to break our competitors devices, wahhhhhhhh.
So.. do you think that Tivo should be able to force a consumer, who purchases the Tivo hardware, to buy a monthly subscription to use it? That Tivo box, itself, has killed the DVR. Yet, Tivo holds many patents, and sues over it too, in order to kill competition in the market.

Shame on you..

I can't wait, for once, for a consumer group to go after Tivo tooth and nail!

Tivo isn't innocent either and needs to stop whining every time their poor little always-on-the-verge of being pushed out of the market business is being threatened. Talk about a monopoly!

You have an anger issue if you think the fines should have been 100M anyway.. you're just as bad as Tivo, the FCC for fining TWC FOR the franchise, and TWC for simply not following a rule - which was disclosure.. (again, not that they were banned from making the chance, they simply didn't make disclosure TO THE FRANCHISE) The next time you don't follow a rule in your "business" then I thin you should be fined out of existence too. That's just silly because you're an angry person.. get real.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21284429 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:08:45 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21284415 fiberguy : The technology is moving fast.. cable wants to move fast, clearly as you're seeing here as they have to now take on the battle of phone.. yet, Tivo wants to move at their own pace.

Personally, I'm still for cable using their own interface.. it's their cable plant. The fact the government is getting involved in the business to this level pisses me off. If there is a need for this luxury service to be open, or a demand for that matter, then open up the franchises to others and let them come in and swoop up the customers on their open platform.

I won't take ANY of this serious until they do the same with ALL video providers.. Satellite, Fios, U-Verse, etc! Until then, what I'm seeing from the FCC is an over stepping of their alleged authority into a private industry.

And so you know, Tivo isn't in the business to give a consumer anything better.. they're in it for their own personal profits. Tivo is a bottom feeding company that can't survive with out another business being forced to bow to them. Tivo could have EASILY partnered with the company and resold their software to the companies direct like they are just now doing. But, they didn't, they wanted ALL the money to themselves and then went after congress to get the foot in someone elses door. Don't believe me? What happened with DirecTv gave Tivo the boot? It was about the end of Tivo which is why they started to give their hardware away and then started the cable tv deal. Now, they're relevant again.

Further - if it's not about "Tivo" then why can't I use their box, THAT I OWN, with out paying a monthly fee for a guide I really don't need. What Tivo and the DVR did was invalidate the VCR. I want a digital recorder where I can simply set a start and stop time, and channel and tell it to record or simply time shift live TV. Can't do that.. and, since they hold the VCR killing patent, tell me why congress or the FCC hasn't gone after Tivo to do away with the monthly fee and see them as dummy boxes with a subscription option.

So.. STOP GIVING TIVO ANY TEARS OR FREE PASSES!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21284415 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:05:37 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21284377 fiberguy : I could care less about Tivo users.. I'm tired of a few people holding up progress for the majority. That's the end of my discussion on that.

However, YOU of all people Ske, should have picked up on the fact that the FCC fined the cable company for not "properly informing the franchise of the change"..

Why in the hell should the FCC collect money because they failed to do something with the franchise? Why didn't the franchise fine TWC? And, who got the money? The FCC! Why didn't the FCC give that money to the F/A after fining?

There's a lot to go around here for finger pointing (which is the spirit of BBR these days).. but the bottom line is that eve on the basis on the actions of the FCC, your own water won't stay in the bucket on this one. The fine was for not "properly informing the franchise of the change"... not that they did it and it wasn't allowed.

And, to your post.. the FCC doesn't say you have to make buns so the competitors seeds stick, necessarily, it says you have to be truthful in how you are modifying the bun. In your logic, the FCC is saying that once a device is supported, it's always supported which has NEVER been the case anywhere. TWC is certainly allowed to flick off the Tivo users from the bun, so long as they make sure they know in advance.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21284377 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:57:03 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21283771 Dogfather : The FCC is mandated with regulating cable video operations.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21283771 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:13:45 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21283487 unoriginal : I wont quote regulations but will offer a suggestion if you have it available. Do you have a patio or balcony at your place that faces south? You dont need to attach the dish to anything, when I was in an apartment I used a metal fence post, 5 gallon bucket and a bag of quikrete to make a mount for my Directv dish. You could do the same if you face the right way to get a signal, again, just a suggestion.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21283487 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:24:32 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21283443 Cogdis :
said by bufbandit See Profile :

Wow $200 a year for a shitty DVR. The lease fees are usually $5-$7 a month. I guess your math skills are not that sharp. Last I checked TWC does not charge for truck rolls. Verizon does but TWC does not.
Actually Time Warner in my area (Queens, NY)charges
$7.10 for ANY box rental
$9.95 for DVR service (on top of the $7.10)
$2.99 for service duplication (for each additional box)
$0.25 for the remote control

So for one year the DVR costs $243.48
They also DO charge $30.30 for a truck roll. They will allow you to pick a box up at a store for free, but WON'T allow you to pick up a cable card, that requires the $30 truck roll.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21283443 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:16:43 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21283444 mmainprize : Ypu are correct and to add to that statement, The reason they have 50% bandwidth savings is because of those not need channels that we are forced to buy that no one watches. We have 50% to many channels that are junk being forced on us and we can't seem to do anything about it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21283444 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:16:43 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21283420 percosan : I agree that "rules are rules", however, it is odd that the Federal Communications Commission is involved. If regulation is required, which I believe the original theme of the post was that this is ridiculous given it is the boob tube, it seems that this is an issue that would be best regulated by the FTC as it has absolutely nothing to do with technology and everything to do with fulfilling their commitment to their customers.
or not.
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said by bufbandit See Profile :

So again, your basically saying the cable company's should wait to roll out a new technology that will improve service for 95 percent of their customers? That makes alot of sense. Obviously you dont know how to run a business.
95% of customers will not see any difference after SDV for awhile for starters. The benefits of switching to SDV right now are still a little ways off. You would know this if you had any idea what you were talking about, but it appears that you don't.

Secondly, TWC is handing out cards that don't work with SDV, ergo this is TWC's fault.

Thirly, I apparently know a lot more about running a business than you apparently do because I'm not dumb enough to think that pissing off paying customers is a good idea.
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said by bufbandit See Profile :

Is it the fault of McDees to try to offer a better product to try to grab more customers? The government is hurting business that want to offer bigger and better products with these nonsense laws.
McDonald's doesn't rely on laws and government regulations to bundle together items customers don't want to purchase with items they do want to purchase just to raise everyone's total bill. Yes Mickey Dees does offer some bundles with discounts but customers actually have a choice of bundles or al a carte. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21283159 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:22:29 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21283151 davoice : TiVo would have made a 2-way box a long time ago if the CableCos would have given then access to do so. But the CableCos insisted that customers had to use their interface, their parameters and pay them money to do so. TiVo thus couldn't do it because the whole reason for a competitive product is to give the customer a better interface.

What should have come w/ the cable card legislation was legislation requiring a single nationwide standard for all 2-way cable services, including VOD, so 3rd party developers could create their own hardware and interfaces to display that content.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21283151 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:21:08 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21283088 battleop : It sucks but you can't have everything. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21283088 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:11:33 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21283005 Dogfather : DVR lease fee doesn't include the DVR service which is another $10 for a total of $16/mo X 12 months. When I had TWC before DirecTV I paid $6.95 per box for rental plus $10 PER BOX in DVR "service" fees. Each DVR was $17/mo total with TWC and if an issue wasn't an outside problem TWC did charge for truck rolls.

It looks like you are the one needing a math refresher.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21283005 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:55:51 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21282972 bufbandit : Im speaking about TWC not Cox. Cant speak for a company I have not dealt with directly, sorry. You can always buy a $10 VCR. Lots of other options out there.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21282972 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:50:28 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21282882 anon : I have to pay 19 for each DVR with Cox cable, that's 228 - maybe you need to open your MIND before opening your MOUTH.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21282882 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:35:57 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21282837 kontos :
said by battleop See Profile :

If they don't like it they can always go across the street to Burger King. (DirectTv/DishNetwork)
Except that the sesame seeds don't stick to the Satellite buns, either. :mad:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21282837 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:28:06 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21282747 mech1164 :
said by bufbandit See Profile :

Virtual monopoly? That makes no sense. Direct TV, FIOS, Dish networks all seem like legit competition to TWC. Not sure what you mean by a virtual monopoly is.
I well I'm one without a choice. I'm stuck with cablevision. Fios is available but not in my development. There are no apt installs yet or planned for in the next few years. Dish or Dtv is forbidden on the development. And before you all start qouting regulations we do not have any place to attach a dish. So for the foreseeable future I'm at the mercy of CV.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21282747 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:09:42 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21282736 bufbandit : Wow $200 a year for a shitty DVR. The lease fees are usually $5-$7 a month. I guess your math skills are not that sharp. Last I checked TWC does not charge for truck rolls. Verizon does but TWC does not.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21282736 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:07:32 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21282717 Dogfather : Most businesses have 100% private assets, but all are subject to regulation. TWC knew what the rules were in advance and chose to ignore them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21282717 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:03:48 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21282711 Dogfather : Yeah, and you're buddy doesn't have to fork over $200/yr for each shitty DVR either. I pay for DirecTV's inside maintenance plan, they warrant ALL equipment and I still save $20/mo on the two two-tuner MPEG4 HD DVR's that I have. Plus I get 130 HD channels, VOD and superior service. Meanwhile if I had an inside wiring problem with TWC or Verizon, I get slammed big bucks for the truck roll.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21282711 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:02:36 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21282685 percosan : I agree with you 100% ... no impact (in any form) on any "public asset" ... purely a private network that is utilized to deliver a non-critical (entertainment) product.

Seems that some of our government has we too much time on their hands!

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Wahhhhh, we're not allowed to break our competitors devices, wahhhhhhhh.

This technology doesn't "improve" the service for 95% of anyone.

You obviously don't know how to run a business that follows gov't regulations. You would prefer the Exxon-Microsoft model of abuse of market position to put customers over a barrel and gouge them at every turn. Unlike you, I actually do run a business and unlike Time Warner, I follow gov't regulations.

The FCC fines should have been $100M or at least a year's margin from these rule violating franchises and teach these companies a lesson that rule breaking will not be tolerated. TWC knew what the rules are and broke them anyway. I certainly wouldn't get such a wrist slap if I broke regulations that govern my business.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21282630 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:45:52 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21282609 bufbandit : So again, your basically saying the cable company's should wait to roll out a new technology that will improve service for 95 percent of their customers? That makes alot of sense. Obviously you dont know how to run a business.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21282609 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:41:29 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21282605 Dogfather : This isn't about a video monopoly, this is about hardware and cable operators abusing their market position to fleece customers with horrid overpriced hardware rentals.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21282605 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:41:19 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21282603 Dogfather : They should follow the rules laid down by the FCC. If they don't like the rules, they are free to get out of the business. There are plenty of gov't rules I'd like to not have to follow in my business, but I also have the choice of take it or leave it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21282603 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:40:39 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21282597 Dogfather : Wrong. This is McDonald's changing the buns so that only McDonald's sesame seeds stick. If people want to put their own sesame seeds on they're screwed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21282597 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:39:20 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21282591 magnushsi : CableCards are all two way capable and have been since day one. The issue with two way has always been about the host device capabilities, NOT the cablecard. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21282591 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:38:09 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21282482 bufbandit : So TWC has the tech avail. TWC should wait 9 years for cablelabs to come up with a 2-way cablecard. By then another technology will be out. So I shoudl wait 9 years to upgrade to Vista? By then there will be 2 new OS's out.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21282482 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:09:12 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21282440 NetAdmin :
said by bufbandit See Profile :

I purchased a bluetooth device 2 years ago for my pc. I have upgraded to Vista. The device does not work now and the company will not supply drivers for Vista. Sure I am upset. But I understand that technology advances and sometimes older technology wont work with new technology. Im not going to throw a big hissy fit about. Ill simply get something thats compatible. End of story. Lets just keep old tech out there. if we did this, wed still be using crank phones.
That is not even CLOSE to what happened here.

What happened here is that two cable operators started making changes over to SDV before it was fully tested with the cablecards that were issued by both operators to work with SDV. If the cable company is handing out cablecards to their subscribers for the subscribers' televisions or Tivos, the customers have every right to expect them to work.

As for liken "cablecards" to old technology or to liken this news item to your BT headset experience is to miss the issue entirely.
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said by bufbandit See Profile :

How is that anti-competitive? Burger King can do the same thing if they wanted too.
Most cable companies have a virtual monopoly. Luckily I have two providers so there is real competition. There is no Burger King to go against there McDees. In this case, your arguments have no basis. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21282406 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:56:10 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21282379 bufbandit : I purchased a bluetooth device 2 years ago for my pc. I have upgraded to Vista. The device does not work now and the company will not supply drivers for Vista. Sure I am upset. But I understand that technology advances and sometimes older technology wont work with new technology. Im not going to throw a big hissy fit about. Ill simply get something thats compatible. End of story. Lets just keep old tech out there. if we did this, wed still be using crank phones.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21282379 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:51:54 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21282338 NetAdmin :
said by bufbandit See Profile :

How is that anti-competitive? Burger King can do the same thing if they wanted too.
Please how anything Burger King can legally do is anything remotely like preventing people from using devices they legally purchased?
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If they don't like the rules, they're free to sell their franchises. However they're not allowed to abuse their market position to put customers over a barrel.

Meanwhile they see a bandwidth savings of 50% but don't give any of that to additional HSI channels. Instead, they move to implement caps. F TWC.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21282040 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:23:55 EDT Re: Idiots... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21282014 wierdo :
said by swintec See Profile :

This is bull....Private network upgrades of a luxury service and this crap goes on. :uhh:
What exactly are you trying to express?
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