NetAdmin
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Re: Idiots...
said by bufbandit  :How is that anti-competitive? Burger King can do the same thing if they wanted too. Please how anything Burger King can legally do is anything remotely like preventing people from using devices they legally purchased?
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bufbandit
join:2002-03-25
Buffalo, NY
| I purchased a bluetooth device 2 years ago for my pc. I have upgraded to Vista. The device does not work now and the company will not supply drivers for Vista. Sure I am upset. But I understand that technology advances and sometimes older technology wont work with new technology. Im not going to throw a big hissy fit about. Ill simply get something thats compatible. End of story. Lets just keep old tech out there. if we did this, wed still be using crank phones. |
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NetAdmin
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1 edit | said by bufbandit :I purchased a bluetooth device 2 years ago for my pc. I have upgraded to Vista. The device does not work now and the company will not supply drivers for Vista. Sure I am upset. But I understand that technology advances and sometimes older technology wont work with new technology. Im not going to throw a big hissy fit about. Ill simply get something thats compatible. End of story. Lets just keep old tech out there. if we did this, wed still be using crank phones. That is not even CLOSE to what happened here.
What happened here is that two cable operators started making changes over to SDV before it was fully tested with the cablecards that were issued by both operators to work with SDV. If the cable company is handing out cablecards to their subscribers for the subscribers' televisions or Tivos, the customers have every right to expect them to work.
As for liken "cablecards" to old technology or to liken this news item to your BT headset experience is to miss the issue entirely.
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bufbandit
join:2002-03-25
Buffalo, NY
1 edit | So TWC has the tech avail. TWC should wait 9 years for cablelabs to come up with a 2-way cablecard. By then another technology will be out. So I shoudl wait 9 years to upgrade to Vista? By then there will be 2 new OS's out. |
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magnushsi
join:2002-11-06
Cedar Springs, MI
1 edit | CableCards are all two way capable and have been since day one. The issue with two way has always been about the host device capabilities, NOT the cablecard. |
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Dogfather
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They should follow the rules laid down by the FCC. If they don't like the rules, they are free to get out of the business. There are plenty of gov't rules I'd like to not have to follow in my business, but I also have the choice of take it or leave it. |
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bufbandit
join:2002-03-25
Buffalo, NY | reply to NetAdmin
So again, your basically saying the cable company's should wait to roll out a new technology that will improve service for 95 percent of their customers? That makes alot of sense. Obviously you dont know how to run a business. |
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Dogfather
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4 edits | Yep. They shouldn't be able to abuse their market position by rolling out so-called "technology" that breaks competing products in violation of FCC rules.
Wahhhhh, we're not allowed to break our competitors devices, wahhhhhhhh.
This technology doesn't "improve" the service for 95% of anyone.
You obviously don't know how to run a business that follows gov't regulations. You would prefer the Exxon-Microsoft model of abuse of market position to put customers over a barrel and gouge them at every turn. Unlike you, I actually do run a business and unlike Time Warner, I follow gov't regulations.
The FCC fines should have been $100M or at least a year's margin from these rule violating franchises and teach these companies a lesson that rule breaking will not be tolerated. TWC knew what the rules are and broke them anyway. I certainly wouldn't get such a wrist slap if I broke regulations that govern my business. |
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bufbandit
join:2002-03-25
Buffalo, NY | reply to magnushsi
Exactly, so the FCC should be fining Tivo not TWC. |
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davoice
join:2000-08-12
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| TiVo would have made a 2-way box a long time ago if the CableCos would have given then access to do so. But the CableCos insisted that customers had to use their interface, their parameters and pay them money to do so. TiVo thus couldn't do it because the whole reason for a competitive product is to give the customer a better interface.
What should have come w/ the cable card legislation was legislation requiring a single nationwide standard for all 2-way cable services, including VOD, so 3rd party developers could create their own hardware and interfaces to display that content. |
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NetAdmin
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1 edit | reply to bufbandit
said by bufbandit :So again, your basically saying the cable company's should wait to roll out a new technology that will improve service for 95 percent of their customers? That makes alot of sense. Obviously you dont know how to run a business. 95% of customers will not see any difference after SDV for awhile for starters. The benefits of switching to SDV right now are still a little ways off. You would know this if you had any idea what you were talking about, but it appears that you don't.
Secondly, TWC is handing out cards that don't work with SDV, ergo this is TWC's fault.
Thirly, I apparently know a lot more about running a business than you apparently do because I'm not dumb enough to think that pissing off paying customers is a good idea.
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fiberguy
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The technology is moving fast.. cable wants to move fast, clearly as you're seeing here as they have to now take on the battle of phone.. yet, Tivo wants to move at their own pace.
Personally, I'm still for cable using their own interface.. it's their cable plant. The fact the government is getting involved in the business to this level pisses me off. If there is a need for this luxury service to be open, or a demand for that matter, then open up the franchises to others and let them come in and swoop up the customers on their open platform.
I won't take ANY of this serious until they do the same with ALL video providers.. Satellite, Fios, U-Verse, etc! Until then, what I'm seeing from the FCC is an over stepping of their alleged authority into a private industry.
And so you know, Tivo isn't in the business to give a consumer anything better.. they're in it for their own personal profits. Tivo is a bottom feeding company that can't survive with out another business being forced to bow to them. Tivo could have EASILY partnered with the company and resold their software to the companies direct like they are just now doing. But, they didn't, they wanted ALL the money to themselves and then went after congress to get the foot in someone elses door. Don't believe me? What happened with DirecTv gave Tivo the boot? It was about the end of Tivo which is why they started to give their hardware away and then started the cable tv deal. Now, they're relevant again.
Further - if it's not about "Tivo" then why can't I use their box, THAT I OWN, with out paying a monthly fee for a guide I really don't need. What Tivo and the DVR did was invalidate the VCR. I want a digital recorder where I can simply set a start and stop time, and channel and tell it to record or simply time shift live TV. Can't do that.. and, since they hold the VCR killing patent, tell me why congress or the FCC hasn't gone after Tivo to do away with the monthly fee and see them as dummy boxes with a subscription option.
So.. STOP GIVING TIVO ANY TEARS OR FREE PASSES! |
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fiberguy
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1 edit | reply to Dogfather
said by Dogfather :Yep. They shouldn't be able to abuse their market position by rolling out so-called "technology" that breaks competing products in violation of FCC rules. Wahhhhh, we're not allowed to break our competitors devices, wahhhhhhhh. So.. do you think that Tivo should be able to force a consumer, who purchases the Tivo hardware, to buy a monthly subscription to use it? That Tivo box, itself, has killed the DVR. Yet, Tivo holds many patents, and sues over it too, in order to kill competition in the market.
Shame on you..
I can't wait, for once, for a consumer group to go after Tivo tooth and nail!
Tivo isn't innocent either and needs to stop whining every time their poor little always-on-the-verge of being pushed out of the market business is being threatened. Talk about a monopoly!
You have an anger issue if you think the fines should have been 100M anyway.. you're just as bad as Tivo, the FCC for fining TWC FOR the franchise, and TWC for simply not following a rule - which was disclosure.. (again, not that they were banned from making the chance, they simply didn't make disclosure TO THE FRANCHISE) The next time you don't follow a rule in your "business" then I thin you should be fined out of existence too. That's just silly because you're an angry person.. get real. |
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wierdo
join:2001-02-16
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said by magnushsi :CableCards are all two way capable and have been since day one. The issue with two way has always been about the host device capabilities, NOT the cablecard. The anticompetitive part is that the CableLabs rules don't allow third party boxes to have their own interface and be two way. If TiVo (as an example), tried to submit such a thing, it wouldn't be approved, so they couldn't sell it.
The only two way boxes allowed are OCAP (err..tru2way) boxes. Supposedly TiVo is optimistic they'll be able to get a dual-mode box approved that runs the cable operator's OCAP interface in one mode and the TiVo software in another, but it hasn't happened as of yet.
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