Dogfather
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2 edits | reply to swintec
Re: Idiots...
Hardly...more like accelerated anti-competitive behavior to force people to rent their overpriced crap hardware. They're in the video business; not the rip you off for shitty DVR business.
If they don't like the rules, they're free to sell their franchises. However they're not allowed to abuse their market position to put customers over a barrel.
Meanwhile they see a bandwidth savings of 50% but don't give any of that to additional HSI channels. Instead, they move to implement caps. F TWC. |
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bufbandit
join:2002-03-25
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| Lets see here, lets say the government decided to pass a law that Mcdonalds is required to put 50 sesame seeds on their buns for the 5 percent of the customers that wants them. Thats just fine and dandy. But then Mcdonalds decides to increase the size of the bun but keep the same 50 seeds on it. The 5 percent of the customers will complain about it. Is it the fault of McDees to try to offer a better product to try to grab more customers? The government is hurting business that want to offer bigger and better products with these nonsense laws. The only people that hurt are the %95 percent of the customers that want better products. |
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Dogfather
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Laguna Hills, CA | Wrong. This is McDonald's changing the buns so that only McDonald's sesame seeds stick. If people want to put their own sesame seeds on they're screwed. |
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battleop
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00000 | If they don't like it they can always go across the street to Burger King. (DirectTv/DishNetwork) |
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join:2001-10-04
West Henrietta, NY
| said by battleop  :If they don't like it they can always go across the street to Burger King. (DirectTv/DishNetwork) Except that the sesame seeds don't stick to the Satellite buns, either.  |
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
00000 | It sucks but you can't have everything. |
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Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA
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said by bufbandit :Is it the fault of McDees to try to offer a better product to try to grab more customers? The government is hurting business that want to offer bigger and better products with these nonsense laws. McDonald's doesn't rely on laws and government regulations to bundle together items customers don't want to purchase with items they do want to purchase just to raise everyone's total bill. Yes Mickey Dees does offer some bundles with discounts but customers actually have a choice of bundles or al a carte. |
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Dogfather
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Laguna Hills, CA | reply to battleop
That isn't the issue here. The FCC says you have to make buns so that competitors seeds stick. |
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mmainprize
join:2001-12-06
Houghton Lake, MI
| reply to Sammer
Ypu are correct and to add to that statement, The reason they have 50% bandwidth savings is because of those not need channels that we are forced to buy that no one watches. We have 50% to many channels that are junk being forced on us and we can't seem to do anything about it. |
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fiberguy
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I could care less about Tivo users.. I'm tired of a few people holding up progress for the majority. That's the end of my discussion on that.
However, YOU of all people Ske, should have picked up on the fact that the FCC fined the cable company for not "properly informing the franchise of the change"..
Why in the hell should the FCC collect money because they failed to do something with the franchise? Why didn't the franchise fine TWC? And, who got the money? The FCC! Why didn't the FCC give that money to the F/A after fining?
There's a lot to go around here for finger pointing (which is the spirit of BBR these days).. but the bottom line is that eve on the basis on the actions of the FCC, your own water won't stay in the bucket on this one. The fine was for not "properly informing the franchise of the change"... not that they did it and it wasn't allowed.
And, to your post.. the FCC doesn't say you have to make buns so the competitors seeds stick, necessarily, it says you have to be truthful in how you are modifying the bun. In your logic, the FCC is saying that once a device is supported, it's always supported which has NEVER been the case anywhere. TWC is certainly allowed to flick off the Tivo users from the bun, so long as they make sure they know in advance. |
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| said by fiberguy :I could care less about Tivo users.. I'm tired of a few people holding up progress for the majority. That's the end of my discussion on that. After reading your rant below, I shouldn't have been surprised that you wrote this. Maybe you should read the linked findings before spouting off about that which you do not know.
The FCC's problem isn't SDV, the problem is moving existing linear channels to SDV and continuing to charge UDCP users for them and failing to include the correct PSIP data for those now MIA channels.
My problem is the companies making the rules such that competitive hardware makers can't make the sort of boxes the cable companies provide. They're forbidden from making a box that works with SDV and has their own interface? What's up with that?
Are you also against being able to choose which phone you use with your POTS line? (or your cable company provided telephone service)
Should you have to lease your computer from your ISP if you want to get on the Internet?
Your position makes no sense except as someone who either has a vested interest in selling cable companies SDV equipment or someone who works for one.
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Dogfather
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Laguna Hills, CA | What else would you expect from the resident cable industry spokeshole? |
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fiberguy
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Wow.. so I disagree I am invested in the company or industry.. real good come back.. is that all you have?
Now, before you come here, wierdo, and tell me I know nothing of what I speak of.. the last time I checked, and it was posted here, SDV side cars, dongles, adapters, etc. are in the works of being developed and being brought to market FOR Tivo users so they can continue using their boxes with SDV.
Anything else I can correct you on today? |
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fiberguy
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said by Dogfather :What else would you expect from the resident cable industry spokeshole? Watch your mouth.
Maybe I should, for fun, launch a law suit against BBR for them allowing you to personally insult and attack me all while they don't enforce their own TOS rules property, yet selectively when it makes their position better.
But anyway, coming back to reality even thought you're not there.. I'm not going to speak to a child who is always here on a rant throwing a temper tantrum.
Did someone take away your tinker toys & stomp them into little pieces today Mr. Communist? |
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magnushsi
join:2002-11-06
Cedar Springs, MI
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I agree that customers are forced to pay for crap they don't watch, but remember, it's not the cable companys that force that. It's the content providers. They are the ones who sell the content to the MSO in bundles. The MSO can definitely eliminate the garbage channels, but they had to pay for them and thus you will as well, so you might as well have them in the lineup. You can pay $10 for 10 channels (8 garbage) or $10 for 2 channels. |
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dentman42
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said by Dogfather :Hardly...more like accelerated anti-competitive behavior to force people to rent their overpriced crap hardware. They're in the video business; not the rip you off for shitty DVR business. If they don't like the rules, they're free to sell their franchises. However they're not allowed to abuse their market position to put customers over a barrel. Meanwhile they see a bandwidth savings of 50% but don't give any of that to additional HSI channels. Instead, they move to implement caps. F TWC. To make it fair, they should not be able to encrypt anything except for the premium services (Showtime, HBO, etc.). They should have to keep the digital equivalent of "basic" or as Insight calls it "classic" service (their "basic" is more like lifeline) in the clear. Otherwise, by switching to digital, even if you have a QAM tuner, you're still forced to rent a cable box or cable card (the cable co still owns the cable cards and they still charge a monthly fee for them) to get what they could get without a box on a cable ready TV with an NTSC tuner. |
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Dogfather
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Laguna Hills, CA | reply to magnushsi
Then what these cable dumbasses to is put those two good channels on two different tiers so if you want them you have to pay $20 instead of $10. |
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swintec
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| said by Dogfather : want them you have to pay $20 instead of $10. Umm...Wanting something, means you also agree with the price, or well, you wouldnt pay it. Judging by your posts here, you need to realize that cable service is not a necessary utility, that MUST be had.
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cableguy619
join:2003-06-24
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My thing is Telo Tv should comply, btu they cant because of withced digital which they do. Kinda sucks when the government runs your technology....
But heck they will give 700 Billion out to the Insurance and Mortgage companies...errrr
Gov has to much sway in our technology..
Of course we can go the Chinese model all about business 1st.. |
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2 edits | reply to swintec
It is irrelevant if it's a necessary utility. Companies are prohibited from engaging in certain anticompetitive behaviors and in this case the FCC stated the rules well in advance and TWC violated them. Microsoft Windows isn't a utility either, but that doesn't mean Microsoft was allowed to do anything in the marketplace they wanted to the detriment of competitors and consumers.
Take it or leave it are not competitive forces no matter how much the corporate kissasses and coaxial fanboys think they are. |
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