wierdo
join:2001-02-16
Tulsa, OK
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·Teliax VOIP
1 edit | reply to fiberguy
Re: Idiots...
said by fiberguy  :Um... isn't the conversation about 1 year of service? It became that when you decided one year was an appropriate amortization period for hardware that usually lasts 3 or more years. I called you out on it.
As far as the initial purchase price, one can get TiVo HD refurbs for $99 from time to time. (they are $179 at the moment, though) You can get brand new ones for $199.
Thankfully, NCLB was long after I was out of school. 
Edited to add: And FWIW, a refurb TiVo is actually a pretty good comparison to what you get from the cable company, since you often, or even usually, get a box somebody else had before.
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magnushsi
join:2002-11-06
Cedar Springs, MI
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I agree that customers are forced to pay for crap they don't watch, but remember, it's not the cable companys that force that. It's the content providers. They are the ones who sell the content to the MSO in bundles. The MSO can definitely eliminate the garbage channels, but they had to pay for them and thus you will as well, so you might as well have them in the lineup. You can pay $10 for 10 channels (8 garbage) or $10 for 2 channels. |
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mech1164
I'Ll Be Back
join:2001-11-19
Lodi, NJ
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said by unoriginal :I wont quote regulations but will offer a suggestion if you have it available. Do you have a patio or balcony at your place that faces south? You dont need to attach the dish to anything, when I was in an apartment I used a metal fence post, 5 gallon bucket and a bag of quikrete to make a mount for my Directv dish. You could do the same if you face the right way to get a signal, again, just a suggestion. One word NO! Also they will not allow us to attach anything to the sides or tops of the apt units. Oh and BTW someone did just that with quickcrete and was told in no uncertain terms to take it down or they were out of a place to live. Believe me we have seen it all with this. If I could get a better place i'd be outta here but that's not an option, oh well. I wish it was that easy for us. |
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
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If you will kindly look up in the the OPs were all talking about a 1 year cost of a box.. I joined into that, so I can certainly see how I decided to one year was appropriate. So, to return the favor, I'm going to call YOU on the fact that not one, but twice you've been corrected.
Also, the box you're talking about now is not even a cable card box which isn't a valid comparison to the conversation.
If you're going to start throwing out daggers and bring up comparisons, can you at least bring up some that are valid?
The MAIN topic is about cable card Tivo services that are being knocked off. This sub thread is about a Tivo, on topic, and one year of a service with a cable provider.
Your non-cable card Tivo comparison, used even, is stretching a point way too far that it's broken so bad it can't be repaired.
Try looking up a Tivo Series 3.. and "time to time" in any valid comparison, for any comparison, is NOT a VALID COMPARISON. As a deal hunter, sure.. but when you are comparing two items you take the average. Finding a refurbish from time to time is not average. I could go further and say that I can probably buy a cheap used on on ebay from time to time where no one else saw it and use that as a comparison - because I've actually done that before.
You can reply if you want, but I'm done on this one. |
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dentman42
join:2001-10-02
Columbus, OH
 ·AT&T Midwest
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said by Dogfather :Hardly...more like accelerated anti-competitive behavior to force people to rent their overpriced crap hardware. They're in the video business; not the rip you off for shitty DVR business. If they don't like the rules, they're free to sell their franchises. However they're not allowed to abuse their market position to put customers over a barrel. Meanwhile they see a bandwidth savings of 50% but don't give any of that to additional HSI channels. Instead, they move to implement caps. F TWC. To make it fair, they should not be able to encrypt anything except for the premium services (Showtime, HBO, etc.). They should have to keep the digital equivalent of "basic" or as Insight calls it "classic" service (their "basic" is more like lifeline) in the clear. Otherwise, by switching to digital, even if you have a QAM tuner, you're still forced to rent a cable box or cable card (the cable co still owns the cable cards and they still charge a monthly fee for them) to get what they could get without a box on a cable ready TV with an NTSC tuner. |
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Dogfather
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join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | reply to magnushsi
Then what these cable dumbasses to is put those two good channels on two different tiers so if you want them you have to pay $20 instead of $10. |
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
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Putting a dish in a bucket of cement, or attaching it to a mounting pod, commonly sold for satellite positioning, is not "attaching" anything to the sides or tops of the units.
If that person who did just put a dish in a bucket of quickcrete was told to take it down or lose their home, the complex is 100% in violation of FEDERAL law. He'd be protected from eviction on that point alone. The apartment complex could easily be found guilty of violating the rights of the tenants as well if he wanted to press forward - and believe me, it's not hard.
Under no certain terms will I try to encourage or press you to fight for what's right - that's your choice, but I WILL strongly disagree with you that you're with out options because you're not. So I guess I disagree with you on the "I wish it was that easy for us" comment..
What you guys should all do, if I were living there, is file a joint complaint with the Feds regarding the complex violating the law and see what happens. But that's me. |
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swintec
Premium
join:2003-12-19
Alfred, ME
 ·RapidVPS
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·VoicePulse
 ·RoadRunner Cable
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said by Dogfather : want them you have to pay $20 instead of $10. Umm...Wanting something, means you also agree with the price, or well, you wouldnt pay it. Judging by your posts here, you need to realize that cable service is not a necessary utility, that MUST be had.
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cableguy619
join:2003-06-24
Chula Vista, CA
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My thing is Telo Tv should comply, btu they cant because of withced digital which they do. Kinda sucks when the government runs your technology....
But heck they will give 700 Billion out to the Insurance and Mortgage companies...errrr
Gov has to much sway in our technology..
Of course we can go the Chinese model all about business 1st.. |
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Dogfather
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join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
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It is irrelevant if it's a necessary utility. Companies are prohibited from engaging in certain anticompetitive behaviors and in this case the FCC stated the rules well in advance and TWC violated them. Microsoft Windows isn't a utility either, but that doesn't mean Microsoft was allowed to do anything in the marketplace they wanted to the detriment of competitors and consumers.
Take it or leave it are not competitive forces no matter how much the corporate kissasses and coaxial fanboys think they are. |
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wierdo
join:2001-02-16
Tulsa, OK
·Future Nine Corpor..
·Teliax VOIP
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said by fiberguy :Also, the box you're talking about now is not even a cable card box which isn't a valid comparison to the conversation. If you're going to start throwing out daggers and bring up comparisons, can you at least bring up some that are valid? The MAIN topic is about cable card Tivo services that are being knocked off. This sub thread is about a Tivo, on topic, and one year of a service with a cable provider. I'm talking about CableCARD boxes. What part of that don't you get. Right now, a refurb is available for $179.99. They are sometimes available for $99.99. TiVo always has refurbs available, the only question is at what price they feel like selling it. Brand new, they are available for as low as $199.99, depending on the retailer. That's certainly a valid comparison. It doesn't depend on an eBay deal or anything else, just ordering online.
Looking at the entirety of this thread, I fail to see where anybody but you mentioned 1 year, perhaps you can point me to the specific post. (I have been known to have situational blindness on occasion)
A THD is every bit as valid a comparison as an S3. They're essentially the same box. I know, I have both. I bought an S3 about 19 months ago when my apartment complex switched from DirecTV (which I was using a DirecTiVo with) to cable. I tried the Cox box for a month. It dropped too many recordings and incessantly recorded repeats even when told not to, so I bought something better (for $650).
Around Christmas, when Circuit City had the THD on sale for $249.99, I picked up one of those for the bedroom. They both use CableCARDs. I have no idea where you got the idea I wasn't talking about CableCARD-using TiVos. You seem to have made that up.
That's one of the nice things about not buying the cable company's box. Competition between retailers gets the consumer a lower price on the hardware. If only replay hadn't been run out of business, TiVo might have found the r&d dollars to further reduce the manufacturing cost of their box.
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wierdo
join:2001-02-16
Tulsa, OK
·Future Nine Corpor..
·Teliax VOIP
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said by fiberguy :If that person who did just put a dish in a bucket of quickcrete was told to take it down or lose their home, the complex is 100% in violation of FEDERAL law. He'd be protected from eviction on that point alone. The apartment complex could easily be found guilty of violating the rights of the tenants as well if he wanted to press forward - and believe me, it's not hard. Hmm..so federal law and its implementing FCC regulations are good when applied to apartment complexes, but not when applied to cable companies? Could you be a bit less consistent?
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
| What are you talking about? Who EVER said I gave a free pass to anyone in regards to following laws? If you'd get off the heels of my boots and actually read my posts for once, you'd see that just a few hours ago I damned the cable company, TWC, for not properly notifying their customers.
Now you're simply making things up, wierdo. |
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Zen6
@rr.com | reply to bufbandit
Re: Idiots...
Are we talking big mac or the ig and nasty? |
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COXNVA customer
@cox.net
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so what you are saying is that me the consumer who called my cable company to ask if they supported tivo hd, they responded yes so spent $300 on a new tivo, as it conforms with fcc regs that allow me to remove my programs from the dvr, something that most cable company owned boxes make increasingly difficult to do. so when the company knowingly lies to me the consumer they need to be reprimanded, especially when asked specific questions, such as what channels are SDV? Is USAHD SDV? and the answers are either a resounding yes, which is a lie, or I don't know anything about SDV.. So as far a hurting business the company is doing that itself by alienating a percent of their population.
So the consumer isn't the idiot the company is... |
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DataRiker
Premium
join:2002-05-19
Metairie, LA
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3 edits | reply to fiberguy
said by fiberguy :said by Dogfather :What else would you expect from the resident cable industry spokeshole? Watch your mouth. Maybe I should, for fun, launch a law suit against BBR for them allowing you to personally insult and attack me all while they don't enforce their own TOS rules property, yet selectively when it makes their position better. But anyway, coming back to reality even thought you're not there.. I'm not going to speak to a child who is always here on a rant throwing a temper tantrum. Did someone take away your tinker toys & stomp them into little pieces today Mr. Communist? This is the 3rd time I have seen you crying about BBR's TOS. Instead of launching a lawsuit against BBR, which is not funny at all, why don't you move to another site?
Oh, and for the love of god are all your paragraphs one sentence? |
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swintec
Premium
join:2003-12-19
Alfred, ME | reply to COXNVA customer
In our market, TWs SDV channels are all listed as so on the channel line ups, quite clearly, on there website.
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wierdo
join:2001-02-16
Tulsa, OK
·Future Nine Corpor..
·Teliax VOIP
| reply to fiberguy
said by fiberguy :What are you talking about? Who EVER said I gave a free pass to anyone in regards to following laws? If you'd get off the heels of my boots and actually read my posts for once, you'd see that just a few hours ago I damned the cable company, TWC, for not properly notifying their customers. Now you're simply making things up, wierdo. You were one of the first to complain about the FCC's enforcement action, unless I'm misremembering.
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We in our early geek stages should have been more aggressive, and now we should be too.
It's ridiculous how much power is given to the phone company and cable networks, not to mention money.
Whats the real difference from hiring a host to having Cox communications or anyone else host your account?
They have access to all of your scripts, people that work for them can plug in a flash drive and steal all of your programming, and there doesn't seem to be an end to all of this.
A beginning would be to script programs that only upload the visual contents and leave the controls on the person's PC.
Another good idea would be to create a program that checks out scripting to insure it doesn't round robin or steal from the person using the script. |
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