fiberguy
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Re: Idiots...
I could care less about Tivo users.. I'm tired of a few people holding up progress for the majority. That's the end of my discussion on that.
However, YOU of all people Ske, should have picked up on the fact that the FCC fined the cable company for not "properly informing the franchise of the change"..
Why in the hell should the FCC collect money because they failed to do something with the franchise? Why didn't the franchise fine TWC? And, who got the money? The FCC! Why didn't the FCC give that money to the F/A after fining?
There's a lot to go around here for finger pointing (which is the spirit of BBR these days).. but the bottom line is that eve on the basis on the actions of the FCC, your own water won't stay in the bucket on this one. The fine was for not "properly informing the franchise of the change"... not that they did it and it wasn't allowed.
And, to your post.. the FCC doesn't say you have to make buns so the competitors seeds stick, necessarily, it says you have to be truthful in how you are modifying the bun. In your logic, the FCC is saying that once a device is supported, it's always supported which has NEVER been the case anywhere. TWC is certainly allowed to flick off the Tivo users from the bun, so long as they make sure they know in advance. |
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fiberguy
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The technology is moving fast.. cable wants to move fast, clearly as you're seeing here as they have to now take on the battle of phone.. yet, Tivo wants to move at their own pace.
Personally, I'm still for cable using their own interface.. it's their cable plant. The fact the government is getting involved in the business to this level pisses me off. If there is a need for this luxury service to be open, or a demand for that matter, then open up the franchises to others and let them come in and swoop up the customers on their open platform.
I won't take ANY of this serious until they do the same with ALL video providers.. Satellite, Fios, U-Verse, etc! Until then, what I'm seeing from the FCC is an over stepping of their alleged authority into a private industry.
And so you know, Tivo isn't in the business to give a consumer anything better.. they're in it for their own personal profits. Tivo is a bottom feeding company that can't survive with out another business being forced to bow to them. Tivo could have EASILY partnered with the company and resold their software to the companies direct like they are just now doing. But, they didn't, they wanted ALL the money to themselves and then went after congress to get the foot in someone elses door. Don't believe me? What happened with DirecTv gave Tivo the boot? It was about the end of Tivo which is why they started to give their hardware away and then started the cable tv deal. Now, they're relevant again.
Further - if it's not about "Tivo" then why can't I use their box, THAT I OWN, with out paying a monthly fee for a guide I really don't need. What Tivo and the DVR did was invalidate the VCR. I want a digital recorder where I can simply set a start and stop time, and channel and tell it to record or simply time shift live TV. Can't do that.. and, since they hold the VCR killing patent, tell me why congress or the FCC hasn't gone after Tivo to do away with the monthly fee and see them as dummy boxes with a subscription option.
So.. STOP GIVING TIVO ANY TEARS OR FREE PASSES! |
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fiberguy
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said by Dogfather  :Yep. They shouldn't be able to abuse their market position by rolling out so-called "technology" that breaks competing products in violation of FCC rules. Wahhhhh, we're not allowed to break our competitors devices, wahhhhhhhh. So.. do you think that Tivo should be able to force a consumer, who purchases the Tivo hardware, to buy a monthly subscription to use it? That Tivo box, itself, has killed the DVR. Yet, Tivo holds many patents, and sues over it too, in order to kill competition in the market.
Shame on you..
I can't wait, for once, for a consumer group to go after Tivo tooth and nail!
Tivo isn't innocent either and needs to stop whining every time their poor little always-on-the-verge of being pushed out of the market business is being threatened. Talk about a monopoly!
You have an anger issue if you think the fines should have been 100M anyway.. you're just as bad as Tivo, the FCC for fining TWC FOR the franchise, and TWC for simply not following a rule - which was disclosure.. (again, not that they were banned from making the chance, they simply didn't make disclosure TO THE FRANCHISE) The next time you don't follow a rule in your "business" then I thin you should be fined out of existence too. That's just silly because you're an angry person.. get real. |
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wierdo
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said by magnushsi :CableCards are all two way capable and have been since day one. The issue with two way has always been about the host device capabilities, NOT the cablecard. The anticompetitive part is that the CableLabs rules don't allow third party boxes to have their own interface and be two way. If TiVo (as an example), tried to submit such a thing, it wouldn't be approved, so they couldn't sell it.
The only two way boxes allowed are OCAP (err..tru2way) boxes. Supposedly TiVo is optimistic they'll be able to get a dual-mode box approved that runs the cable operator's OCAP interface in one mode and the TiVo software in another, but it hasn't happened as of yet.
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fiberguy
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said by Dogfather :This isn't about a video monopoly, this is about hardware and cable operators abusing their market position to fleece customers with horrid overpriced hardware rentals. ... all while Tivo fleece customers with horrid over priced guide subscription fees to which they also sell their ads.
Are you kidding me?
This can be, and should be, just as much about Tivo and their strangle hold on people for the DVR anyway. |
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wierdo
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said by bufbandit :Wow $200 a year for a shitty DVR. The lease fees are usually $5-$7 a month. I guess your math skills are not that sharp. Last I checked TWC does not charge for truck rolls. Verizon does but TWC does not. You forgot the "DVR fee," champ.
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wierdo
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said by fiberguy :I could care less about Tivo users.. I'm tired of a few people holding up progress for the majority. That's the end of my discussion on that. After reading your rant below, I shouldn't have been surprised that you wrote this. Maybe you should read the linked findings before spouting off about that which you do not know.
The FCC's problem isn't SDV, the problem is moving existing linear channels to SDV and continuing to charge UDCP users for them and failing to include the correct PSIP data for those now MIA channels.
My problem is the companies making the rules such that competitive hardware makers can't make the sort of boxes the cable companies provide. They're forbidden from making a box that works with SDV and has their own interface? What's up with that?
Are you also against being able to choose which phone you use with your POTS line? (or your cable company provided telephone service)
Should you have to lease your computer from your ISP if you want to get on the Internet?
Your position makes no sense except as someone who either has a vested interest in selling cable companies SDV equipment or someone who works for one.
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fiberguy
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Let's also continue the math.
Tivo - $300 - $600 to purchase the box (HD BOX)
Tivo - Service:
Monthly - $12.95
Annual - $129.00 (10.75 mo)
3 Year - $299.00 (8.31 mo)
So, the price range of a Tivo box for one year service:
$62.95 per month (Most expensive options on the high range)
(aka - $755.39 for the first year)
$35.75 per month (Least expensive options on the low range)
(aka - $429.00 for the first year)
This is I guess what you pay for that alleged "premium, non-shitty" DVR service.
I could care less about a guide. Most foremost, I want to call up a show and make it play. When the show is recorded and the show is playing, the guide means nothing to me.
The question that most people ask themselves is usually "how much to watch a show I've recorded".. and the answer shouldn't be anything more than the cost of the DVR itself. Companies like Microsoft have already proven that guide data is not expensive... in fact, it's free. |
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Dogfather
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Laguna Hills, CA | reply to wierdo
What else would you expect from the resident cable industry spokeshole? |
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fiberguy
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said by Dogfather :The FCC is mandated with regulating cable video operations. ... to a point. |
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Cogdis
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Floral Park, NY | reply to fiberguy
Tivo also has an unpublished Lifetime subscription available to different people for different prices. My second lifetime subscription was just $200 (on top of the $300 I had to pay for the Tivo HD). So with TWC I come out ahead after 2 years. |
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fiberguy
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| You're correct. I purposely left out the lifetime subscription for my math however, even knowing it would make my numbers higher. I left it out because I wanted to to compare just 12 months of service in this case. |
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wierdo
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said by fiberguy :Let's also continue the math. Tivo - $300 - $600 to purchase the box (HD BOX) Tivo - Service: Monthly - $12.95 Annual - $129.00 (10.75 mo) 3 Year - $299.00 (8.31 mo) So, the price range of a Tivo box for one year service: $62.95 per month (Most expensive options on the high range) (aka - $755.39 for the first year) $35.75 per month (Least expensive options on the low range) (aka - $429.00 for the first year) This is I guess what you pay for that alleged "premium, non-shitty" DVR service. I could care less about a guide. Most foremost, I want to call up a show and make it play. When the show is recorded and the show is playing, the guide means nothing to me. The question that most people ask themselves is usually "how much to watch a show I've recorded".. and the answer shouldn't be anything more than the cost of the DVR itself. Companies like Microsoft have already proven that guide data is not expensive... in fact, it's free. Or you could buy a refurb for $99 (or a new one for $199) and pay $400 for lifetime service and never pay another dime. (at least for a few years until the box breaks)
You could at least get the pricing right if you're going to attempt to say TiVo is more expensive than a cable company box.
Like most things that don't come from a cable company, you have the option of buying it from the manufacturer and paying too much or buying it from someone who sells it for a reasonable price and paying less. It's called competition. Isn't it grand?
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fiberguy
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Wow.. so I disagree I am invested in the company or industry.. real good come back.. is that all you have?
Now, before you come here, wierdo, and tell me I know nothing of what I speak of.. the last time I checked, and it was posted here, SDV side cars, dongles, adapters, etc. are in the works of being developed and being brought to market FOR Tivo users so they can continue using their boxes with SDV.
Anything else I can correct you on today? |
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said by fiberguy :You're correct. I purposely left out the lifetime subscription for my math however, even knowing it would make my numbers higher. I left it out because I wanted to to compare just 12 months of service in this case. Oh, so you admit to being disingenuous and only amortizing the purchase price of the box over 1 year? Wow.
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fiberguy
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said by Dogfather :What else would you expect from the resident cable industry spokeshole? Watch your mouth.
Maybe I should, for fun, launch a law suit against BBR for them allowing you to personally insult and attack me all while they don't enforce their own TOS rules property, yet selectively when it makes their position better.
But anyway, coming back to reality even thought you're not there.. I'm not going to speak to a child who is always here on a rant throwing a temper tantrum.
Did someone take away your tinker toys & stomp them into little pieces today Mr. Communist? |
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fiberguy
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Um... isn't the conversation about 1 year of service?
If you'd rather, I'd be more than happy to go off topic like 90% of BBR users here and go off on a tangent that means nothing.. I could certainly continue talking about the ongoing fees of Tivo service, combined with the hardware and I bet about 4 years down the road, probably the life of the hardware, it's really still the same price.
Really.. try harder next time. 
If you'd like me to put words in YOUR mouth incorrectly, what you're really saying is that you're a poster child of Bush's no child left behind policy... and how it doesn't work. |
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fiberguy
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Since the DVR in question is an HD version, not SD, I'll ignore the price of the SD version of Tivo.
Also, if you want to talk about the Tivo lasting a "few years" then anyone that understands math and LTCO would take the life time of the box fee of $400 divided by the life of the box to get the monthly, the cost of the box itself, divide by total months you have it and there is your monthly fee.
I'm pretty confident in my pricing since I just looked it up on the Tivo site to get my numbers.. Or, does that not meet your needs? I really doubt it does because you're sitting here comparing a completely non-comparable box to make your numbers look better.
Isn't honesty and reality in facts fun? |
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wierdo
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1 edit | said by fiberguy :Since the DVR in question is an HD version, not SD, I'll ignore the price of the SD version of Tivo. Also, if you want to talk about the Tivo lasting a "few years" then anyone that understands math and LTCO would take the life time of the box fee of $400 divided by the life of the box to get the monthly, the cost of the box itself, divide by total months you have it and there is your monthly fee. I'm pretty confident in my pricing since I just looked it up on the Tivo site to get my numbers.. Or, does that not meet your needs? I really doubt it does because you're sitting here comparing a completely non-comparable box to make your numbers look better. Isn't honesty and reality in facts fun? Yes, you can get THD refurbs for $99.
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fiberguy
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2 edits | Try $179.99! And the DVR has to accept a cable card to be a valid argument here.. I guess that doesn't matter to you.
»https://www3.tivo.com/store/webspecials.do
When comparing prices, I'm not going to go digging through bargain basements for the absolute best prices.. I'm talking about tivo. |
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