swintec
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join:2003-12-19
Alfred, ME |  Idiots...
This is bull....Private network upgrades of a luxury service and this crap goes on. 
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wierdo
join:2001-02-16
Tulsa, OK
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| said by swintec  :This is bull....Private network upgrades of a luxury service and this crap goes on. What exactly are you trying to express?
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Dogfather
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join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
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2 edits | reply to swintec
Hardly...more like accelerated anti-competitive behavior to force people to rent their overpriced crap hardware. They're in the video business; not the rip you off for shitty DVR business.
If they don't like the rules, they're free to sell their franchises. However they're not allowed to abuse their market position to put customers over a barrel.
Meanwhile they see a bandwidth savings of 50% but don't give any of that to additional HSI channels. Instead, they move to implement caps. F TWC. |
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bufbandit
join:2002-03-25
Buffalo, NY
| Lets see here, lets say the government decided to pass a law that Mcdonalds is required to put 50 sesame seeds on their buns for the 5 percent of the customers that wants them. Thats just fine and dandy. But then Mcdonalds decides to increase the size of the bun but keep the same 50 seeds on it. The 5 percent of the customers will complain about it. Is it the fault of McDees to try to offer a better product to try to grab more customers? The government is hurting business that want to offer bigger and better products with these nonsense laws. The only people that hurt are the %95 percent of the customers that want better products. |
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NetAdmin
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join:2008-05-22
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Right, let's make it so that companies can ACTIVELY impede their competition. For someone who sounds like a free market cheerleader, you seem awfully quick to side on those would do things that are anti-competitive.
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bufbandit
join:2002-03-25
Buffalo, NY | How is that anti-competitive? Burger King can do the same thing if they wanted too. |
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NetAdmin
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join:2008-05-22
| said by bufbandit :How is that anti-competitive? Burger King can do the same thing if they wanted too. Please how anything Burger King can legally do is anything remotely like preventing people from using devices they legally purchased?
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bufbandit
join:2002-03-25
Buffalo, NY
| I purchased a bluetooth device 2 years ago for my pc. I have upgraded to Vista. The device does not work now and the company will not supply drivers for Vista. Sure I am upset. But I understand that technology advances and sometimes older technology wont work with new technology. Im not going to throw a big hissy fit about. Ill simply get something thats compatible. End of story. Lets just keep old tech out there. if we did this, wed still be using crank phones. |
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ccbadd
join:2005-07-03
Corpus Christi, TX
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said by bufbandit :How is that anti-competitive? Burger King can do the same thing if they wanted too. Most cable companies have a virtual monopoly. Luckily I have two providers so there is real competition. There is no Burger King to go against there McDees. In this case, your arguments have no basis. |
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bufbandit
join:2002-03-25
Buffalo, NY | Virtual monopoly? That makes no sense. Direct TV, FIOS, Dish networks all seem like legit competition to TWC. Not sure what you mean by a virtual monopoly is. |
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NetAdmin
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1 edit | reply to bufbandit
said by bufbandit :I purchased a bluetooth device 2 years ago for my pc. I have upgraded to Vista. The device does not work now and the company will not supply drivers for Vista. Sure I am upset. But I understand that technology advances and sometimes older technology wont work with new technology. Im not going to throw a big hissy fit about. Ill simply get something thats compatible. End of story. Lets just keep old tech out there. if we did this, wed still be using crank phones. That is not even CLOSE to what happened here.
What happened here is that two cable operators started making changes over to SDV before it was fully tested with the cablecards that were issued by both operators to work with SDV. If the cable company is handing out cablecards to their subscribers for the subscribers' televisions or Tivos, the customers have every right to expect them to work.
As for liken "cablecards" to old technology or to liken this news item to your BT headset experience is to miss the issue entirely.
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bufbandit
join:2002-03-25
Buffalo, NY
1 edit | So TWC has the tech avail. TWC should wait 9 years for cablelabs to come up with a 2-way cablecard. By then another technology will be out. So I shoudl wait 9 years to upgrade to Vista? By then there will be 2 new OS's out. |
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magnushsi
join:2002-11-06
Cedar Springs, MI
1 edit | CableCards are all two way capable and have been since day one. The issue with two way has always been about the host device capabilities, NOT the cablecard. |
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Dogfather
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join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | reply to bufbandit
Wrong. This is McDonald's changing the buns so that only McDonald's sesame seeds stick. If people want to put their own sesame seeds on they're screwed. |
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Dogfather
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| reply to bufbandit
They should follow the rules laid down by the FCC. If they don't like the rules, they are free to get out of the business. There are plenty of gov't rules I'd like to not have to follow in my business, but I also have the choice of take it or leave it. |
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Dogfather
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join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | reply to bufbandit
This isn't about a video monopoly, this is about hardware and cable operators abusing their market position to fleece customers with horrid overpriced hardware rentals. |
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bufbandit
join:2002-03-25
Buffalo, NY | reply to NetAdmin
So again, your basically saying the cable company's should wait to roll out a new technology that will improve service for 95 percent of their customers? That makes alot of sense. Obviously you dont know how to run a business. |
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Dogfather
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4 edits | Yep. They shouldn't be able to abuse their market position by rolling out so-called "technology" that breaks competing products in violation of FCC rules.
Wahhhhh, we're not allowed to break our competitors devices, wahhhhhhhh.
This technology doesn't "improve" the service for 95% of anyone.
You obviously don't know how to run a business that follows gov't regulations. You would prefer the Exxon-Microsoft model of abuse of market position to put customers over a barrel and gouge them at every turn. Unlike you, I actually do run a business and unlike Time Warner, I follow gov't regulations.
The FCC fines should have been $100M or at least a year's margin from these rule violating franchises and teach these companies a lesson that rule breaking will not be tolerated. TWC knew what the rules are and broke them anyway. I certainly wouldn't get such a wrist slap if I broke regulations that govern my business. |
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bufbandit
join:2002-03-25
Buffalo, NY | reply to magnushsi
Exactly, so the FCC should be fining Tivo not TWC. |
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bufbandit
join:2002-03-25
Buffalo, NY
| reply to Dogfather
My buddy bought a direct TV DVR for $300. If it breaks he needs to pay for a new one. If he terms the service he needs to give the box back. That sounds like a steal. Buy a box and have to give it back or pay to have it replaced. Who is ripping who off? |
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