tempnexus
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Boston, MA
1 edit | Will we be offered a bandwith monitor? Or should we just guesstimate???in my definition a Megabyte equal to 1000101010 unknown bandwidth usage Gigabytes so I am only using bytes of data according to what my guesstimate meter is telling me. | |
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bronxbomber8
join:2000-07-25
Eustis, FL | Re: Will we be offered a bandwith monitor? Try out bitmeter2 that's what I'm using now seems to be accurate. But you will need it on each computer that's on your network. | |
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tempnexus
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Boston, MA
| Re: Will we be offered a bandwith monitor? said by bronxbomber8  :Try out bitmeter2 that's what I'm using now seems to be accurate. But you will need it on each computer that's on your network. yeah figured that...I really think that since they are going to officially cap us then they should OFFICIALLY provide a meter or else I want to see the lawsuit cases.  It's like a highway with speed limits but your car has no speedometer.
But I digress, yeah I am thinking of testing out WallWatcher since it will measure my upload and download per router (and I only have one ). I am not a heavy downloader nor uploader but I want to know how much I actually downloaded/uploaded it's only natural. If you are going to limit me then I want to know how close I am to the limit or else you don't really expect to punish me for something I didn't know I broken. | |
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Ebolla
join:2005-09-28
Dracut, MA
| Re: Will we be offered a bandwith monitor? said by tempnexus :It's like a highway with speed limits but your car has no speedometer. I like this logic, now since it is your responsibility to have a speedometer and not the highways then that would mean it is your responsibility to monitor your usage and not Comcasts. Analogies are not always the best way to make a point. | |
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tempnexus
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Boston, MA
| Re: Will we be offered a bandwith monitor? said by Ebolla :said by tempnexus :It's like a highway with speed limits but your car has no speedometer. I like this logic, now since it is your responsibility to have a speedometer and not the highways then that would mean it is your responsibility to monitor your usage and not Comcasts. Analogies are not always the best way to make a point. Actually for the car to be street legal it's up to the manufacturer of the CAR to provide it in this case the manufacturer of all of our internet access technology is the provider of the cable modem and in my case it's COMCAST...but I do get your point. | |
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join:2005-09-28
Dracut, MA
| Re: Will we be offered a bandwith monitor? said by tempnexus :said by Ebolla :said by tempnexus :It's like a highway with speed limits but your car has no speedometer. I like this logic, now since it is your responsibility to have a speedometer and not the highways then that would mean it is your responsibility to monitor your usage and not Comcasts. Analogies are not always the best way to make a point. Actually for the car to be street legal it's up to the manufacturer of the CAR to provide it in this case the manufacturer of all of our internet access technology is the provider of the cable modem and in my case it's COMCAST...but I do get your point. You can own your own modem, these are not made or created by comcast. You can build your own car as well, it is still up to the driver/user to moniter their own usage/speed. This is NOT the responsibility of the highway/provider. Using the highway analogy comcast would be the maint. crews and the Police on road. Doing repairs where needed and insuring that people don't excede limits set forth. It is still up to the driver/user to follow the guidelines set forth.
Is it a good idea for Comcast to input a usage meter? Yes it is, Should they? sure, But I don't think it would be wrong, bad, or something people should sue about since they can already moniter themselves with the usable programs already out in market. | |
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Cthen
join:2004-08-01
Ypsilanti, MI
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| said by tempnexus :said by Ebolla :said by tempnexus :It's like a highway with speed limits but your car has no speedometer. I like this logic, now since it is your responsibility to have a speedometer and not the highways then that would mean it is your responsibility to monitor your usage and not Comcasts. Analogies are not always the best way to make a point. Actually for the car to be street legal it's up to the manufacturer of the CAR to provide it in this case the manufacturer of all of our internet access technology is the provider of the cable modem and in my case it's COMCAST...but I do get your point. Actually by your analogy it was up to your PC MANUFACTURER to provide you with something to gauge how fast it's moving across the internet. So would be WHO EVER MADE YOU PC IN ALL CAPS HERE's responsibility if you were to go that way. 
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sturmvogel
Obama '08
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Houston, TX
| Re: Will we be offered a bandwith monitor? said by Cthen :Actually by your analogy it was up to your PC MANUFACTURER to provide you with something to gauge how fast it's moving across the internet. So would be WHO EVER MADE YOU PC IN ALL CAPS HERE's responsibility if you were to go that way. The PC actually has that, it is the network speed gauge that can be shown in the tray near the clock. Of course, that connection is 10 or 100 Mb, much faster than the cable modem.
So really it should be on the cable modem status page. Surprise.
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Cthen
join:2004-08-01
Ypsilanti, MI
·Comcast
| Re: Will we be offered a bandwith monitor? Well duh, in that same analogy that would mean you are speeding on private property. No speed limit there. Surprise!
So you take your vehicle (your PC) out on public roads (Comcast network) it is still up to the car manufacturer (PC manufacturer) to provide the speedometer. 
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sturmvogel
Obama '08
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Houston, TX
| Re: Will we be offered a bandwith monitor? said by Cthen :Well duh, in that same analogy that would mean you are speeding on private property. No speed limit there. Surprise! So you take your vehicle (your PC) out on public roads (Comcast network) it is still up to the car manufacturer (PC manufacturer) to provide the speedometer. To continue your analogy:
You take the PC using CC provided method of connection (modem) on CC provided network (not public) and are held accountable for limits set by CC (250 GB/month) although neither the modem nor the network status page provided by CC provide info where within those limits you are currently at.
Where is the fault of the PC manufacturer again ? Should say, Dell, be somehow at fault that the firmware in the CC provided cable modem does not show this arbitrary limit and the paying user's position relative to it at a given time ?
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sturmvogel
Obama '08
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Houston, TX
| Re: Will we be offered a bandwith monitor? said by Cthen :Incase you haven't been reading this thread in it's entirety, a point was being made to show how flawed that analogy was. No you didn't continue the analogy, you decided to go all soapbox and no where near the analogy. So to actually continue it and reverse it a bit (just to continue the fun ). So you really think of the cable modem as the vehicle and not the PC? So without the PC(the actual vehicle), how are going to get to BBR? How do you get to Youtube without the PC? Can you load up even Google on the cable modem by looking at the pretty lights?(ya know, how would you drive on the roads?). Wrap your mind around that one! I did not say the PC was not the vehicle. I said that the method of connection to the CC network was the cable modem, so the counter should be provided by that. If your PC could DIRECTLY connect to the CC network (say via an Ethernet connection) then of course the counter should be provided by the PC and, guess what, it would be, since there is already that counter built in.
I am not sure where the fun is in the discussion. When such issues exist for so many users and when the Internet access is important to many of us, these discussions are not funny, but quite serious.
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Cthen
join:2004-08-01
Ypsilanti, MI
·Comcast
| Re: Will we be offered a bandwith monitor? A method of connecting to the roads is through your own driveway. Your point? Again, just incase you missed it, a point was being made by how flawed that analogy was (in a fun spirited way incase you missed the smilies too).
A bandwith meter is just that serious to you? Ya know there are many free ones out there (and have been for years) and some have been posted in this very thread. Comcast has said they are going to provide one, so what is all the seriousness for?
Is it because your access is just that important? Well then you need to get off residential service and pony up for the business class.
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sturmvogel
Obama '08
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Houston, TX
| Re: Will we be offered a bandwith monitor? said by Cthen :A method of connecting to the roads is through your own driveway. Your point? Again, just incase you missed it, a point was being made by how flawed that analogy was (in a fun spirited way incase you missed the smilies too). A bandwith meter is just that serious to you? Ya know there are many free ones out there (and have been for years) and some have been posted in this very thread. Comcast has said they are going to provide one, so what is all the seriousness for? Is it because your access is just that important? Well then you need to get off residential service and pony up for the business class. Since you mention reading the threads, maybe you could also do that yourself and notice that:
1. Many of the PC based bandwdth meters do not work for non PC based network devices that may consume quite a bit of network bandwidth
2. Business class and residential class service share the same caps limitations. Commercial apparently does not.
3. The public domain firmware for some of the routers that could provide a good meter does work with a very limited set of routers.
As a personal opinion, from past experience, what CC says and what it does may be very different from the point of view of its user base and federal authorities, so there should be some seriousness toward this issue.
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sturmvogel
Obama '08
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Houston, TX
| Re: Will we be offered a bandwith monitor? said by Cthen :Well you got me thinking I may have missed something in this thread so I did go back and look. Sure enough, I didn't miss a thing, but sure looks like you still did. 1. Not even mentioned in this thread. Yes I looked! 2. Well your the one who said your connection is just that important. You want that uptime and and better QOS right?(I think that part of the package) It's just that important to you right? Still, was never mentioned in this thread. 3. Yet again, it was never mentioned in this thread. What I did see was everyone talking about, guess what, analogies! Oh and just you and me going back forth with this hijack. As for seriousness, sorry but this thread took a different turn before either of us posted. Threads, not thread. The subjects have been discussed before.
The uptime and QoS are not the issue here, but the caps.
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sturmvogel
Obama '08
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Houston, TX
| Re: Will we be offered a bandwith monitor? said by Cthen :said by Cthen :Incase you haven't been reading this thread in it's entirety, I hate having to quote my own post, but what did you miss there? I made no mention of other thread s.  One should read what has been said before to be informed of many issues if one decides to participate in a discussion. If the exact same answer does not show in every thread, it does not mean the answer does not exist.
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sturmvogel
Obama '08
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| Re: Will we be offered a bandwith monitor? said by Cthen :An answer was provided, the OP is giving it a try, then this thread went a whole other direction(yes just this one, not any other!). Just because you wanted to be all soapbox about it with me, it didn't mean I wans't allowed to have fun with everyone else! I believe you have a affinity for the soapbox reference. My arguments are based on facts and personal experience. Could you please explain why you believe you should associate the soapbox reference with my posts ?
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Cthen
join:2004-08-01
Ypsilanti, MI
·Comcast
| Re: Will we be offered a bandwith monitor? Are you blind? As I read your posts here in a thread that stopped being serious long before you or I ever posted(this thread only which was the whole focus here). All I see some one standing on their soapbox, singling me out to preach to.
Get it yet?
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sturmvogel
Obama '08
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Houston, TX
| Re: Will we be offered a bandwith monitor? said by Cthen :Are you blind? As I read your posts here in a thread that stopped being serious long before you or I ever posted(this thread only which was the whole focus here). All I see some one standing on their soapbox, singling me out to preach to. Get it yet? Well, yes, I use a Braille keyboard.
I do not particularly care to single anyone out, nor do I preach, I am just bringing counter arguments to what I consider to be uninformed and childlish posts that can be quite easily proven to be wrong.
The fact that you use this manner of responding and are unable to substantiate your position when asked shows the strength of the posts, in my opinion.
You may want to read the bandwidth abuse limit sticky topic above to get a bit more info regarding this matter.
Probably this whole thread should be added to that, also, if the moderator could be so kind.
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Cthen
join:2004-08-01
Ypsilanti, MI
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| Re: Will we be offered a bandwith monitor? If you don't like the amusing tone of my postings, then why do you keep reading them? Duh, anything can be proven wrong in this thread as it stopped being serious a long time ago. You seem to keep missing that or just don't like to be wrong. Who knows?
Again, you don't like it, that's your fault, not mine. I didn't make you read it. Look over this thread (not any other thread) and tell me how you didn't single me out and just start preaching? Again, in a thread that stopped being serious.
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sturmvogel
Obama '08
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Houston, TX
| Re: Will we be offered a bandwith monitor? said by Cthen :If you don't like the amusing tone of my postings, then why do you keep reading them? Duh, anything can be proven wrong in this thread as it stopped being serious a long time ago. You seem to keep missing that or just don't like to be wrong. Who knows? Again, you don't like it, that's your fault, not mine. I didn't make you read it. Look over this thread (not any other thread) and tell me how you didn't single me out and just start preaching? Again, in a thread that stopped being serious. I am German. My sense of humour is quite limited.
Seeing statements that are not true being perpetrated (as in upgrade to business class if you do not like the limitations) is as annoying every time as the first time. Every untruth being repeated deserves a statement to deflect it so that a casual reader will not interpret it as true when it is not.
It is a common technique for an untruth to become accepted wisdom if repeated enough. It is the duty of those that know the truth to stand against such a low technique.
Your position that you do not have to read statements you do not like applies as well to your statements as to mine.
You just happened to repeat some untruths at this time and I responded. You were not singled out. My position does not change depending on the interlocutor, it is solid enough to discuss with anyone.
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sortofageek
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clubs: | This section of the thread is being locked. Please return to topic and stop the bickering. | |
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| or its like ok but we'll put a glass wall on the highway and if you go to far and break it then we'll get mad
and it will be set at 250gb per month
they already have speed capped but now they want to cp total data usage because they over provisioned and made boost and burst available (if that hadn't done those 3 then there would be no problem)
DOCSIS already has the provisioned rate but boost/burst allow for you to go over that (those of you who look at the provisioned rate and compare to actual know this)
when you have only 38mbit/sec to give the neighbor hood and you give every person the ability to reach 16+ then your going to have trouble
if the left it at 6mbit then that could serve 6 people without any over provisioning and add asecond channel and put some on one some on the other and bam you have doubled the customers per node
and some over provisioning can be ok but it must be in moderation maybe 10 users at 6Mbit they'll likely be happy
but don't put 20-30 on one node that has a single channel because then your asking for trouble
now add in Docsis 3 and you have upto 8 channels bonded (about 300Mbit) now you can give 6Mbit to 50 people on one nodeor 12 to 25 people w/o over provisioning | |
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jlivingood
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Philadelphia, PA | We updated FAQs on this a few weeks ago. A meter is in development - not yet ready for release.
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tempnexus
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Boston, MA
1 edit | Re: Will we be offered a bandwith monitor? said by jlivingood :We updated FAQs on this a few weeks ago. A meter is in development - not yet ready for release. Thanks! So I guess Comcast has Shoot first ask questions later policy?
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jluzbet
join:2002-03-30
Miami, FL | this suck I use that bandwith meter... I already have 100 Gig today is the 8th... great just great | |
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sortofageek
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clubs: | I don't think we're talking about Comcast offering a bandwidth monitor anymore. | |
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